Having a little fun with FOX in Phoenix!
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that is good!
Keep up the good work!
Keep up the good work!
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Sure, but fox transmits over my airspace. Think about it.
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I am still laughing. that is so funny
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Dude that was great! It wasnt cheesy at all.. awesome!
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You allways have to respect property-rights, and follow the law. Stuff like this (while mildly amusing) is the wrong thing to do if you want to spread the message of liberty.
I understand that there will allways be some people who take things one step further in any given situation... That probably cannot be changed, but any illegal actions should be harshly condemned on these forums. This revolution of ideas really is unstoppable, but only as long as everyone stays smart, we must not compromise our own principles.
I realise that you probably think that this video seems pretty harmless, but that is what scares me about this movement of ours, because this video is clearly over the line. I was here right from the beginning, but lately i find it very hard to participate in the discussions for one simple reason; I am beginning to see the potential of an illegal and confrontational subculture directed towards the MSM and other government institutions developing on these forums. When I see RP-supporters chase Hannity through the streets shouting profanity, my heart sinks... This is not what this movement is about! If you support chasing Media-people through the streets because you are unhappy with them, then you are using force in the same way as the Neo-cons in Iraq. You can not tell people what to do under the threat of violence, and yes, being chased by an angry mob gives you every reason to fear violence. We have to believe in peaceful and LEGAL change, and we must stay true to our own principles.
The establishment has our movement under immense preassure, are we going to crack, or are we going to stay true?
You allways have to respect property-rights, and follow the law. Stuff like this (while mildly amusing) is the wrong thing to do if you want to spread the message of liberty.
I understand that there will allways be some people who take things one step further in any given situation... That probably cannot be changed, but any illegal actions should be harshly condemned on these forums. This revolution of ideas really is unstoppable, but only as long as everyone stays smart, we must not compromise our own principles.
I realise that you probably think that this video seems pretty harmless, but that is what scares me about this movement of ours, because this video is clearly over the line. I was here right from the beginning, but lately i find it very hard to participate in the discussions for one simple reason; I am beginning to see the potential of an illegal and confrontational subculture directed towards the MSM and other government institutions developing on these forums. When I see RP-supporters chase Hannity through the streets shouting profanity, my heart sinks... This is not what this movement is about! If you support chasing Media-people through the streets because you are unhappy with them, then you are using force in the same way as the Neo-cons in Iraq. You can not tell people what to do under the threat of violence, and yes, being chased by an angry mob gives you every reason to fear violence. We have to believe in peaceful and LEGAL change, and we must stay true to our own principles.
The establishment has our movement under immense preassure, are we going to crack, or are we going to stay true?
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Thanks, you made my day.
In response to the poster that feels this video is over the line. So is breaking FCC rules and the "Fair Doctrine". As to whether the action of tying a balloon to the ladder of a van is illegal, I doubt the courts would uphold any charges, other than it is a frivilous law suit. Now the breaking of FCC rules and regulations......A definite case can be presented and I hope that Ted Gunderson and partner can pull off their class action law suit against the mainstream media.
In response to the poster that feels this video is over the line. So is breaking FCC rules and the "Fair Doctrine". As to whether the action of tying a balloon to the ladder of a van is illegal, I doubt the courts would uphold any charges, other than it is a frivilous law suit. Now the breaking of FCC rules and regulations......A definite case can be presented and I hope that Ted Gunderson and partner can pull off their class action law suit against the mainstream media.
Exactly, what's so horrible about it?
It appears that very few on this forum respect property rights or life. What if that stupid balloon flies off and lands on someone's windshield? Or distracts a driver behind the van? Don't you people think at all?
I have become disgusted with these forums and I attempt every few days to come back here and then I see junk like that. I am ashamed to be a Ron Paul supporter when I see the actions of children who think they have the right to do anything to anyone they like. How would you feel if the guy behind you put Hillary balloons all over your car, or Romney stickers, or Huckabee army gear? Would you be so amused?
I have been working my ass off to put up Ron Paul official 2 x 4 signs all over the city. As soon as I am done, some asshole comes along and takes them down. That is expensive and infuriating to me, but falls right into this same line of thinking. You think what you are doing is funny, I am sure the people stealing those expensive signs from me think it is funny.
What saddens me most is that this "revolution" doesn't stand a chance because so few understand what we are fighting for. We are fighting for property rights. We are fighting for freedom. These actions are the antithesis of that and show that very few on this board have any respect for Ron Paul's viewpoints. Oh, you all want to jump and dance and wave you arms to get on tv, but when it comes to the hard part - having self restraint, and being respectful to others, no one gives a hoot.
Ron Paul would be appalled at the actions of those idiots on the freeway. I am too. But then, there aren't many of us that truly care about liberty when it comes to allowing others to have theirs, are there?
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tying a balloon to the car isn't any more harmful than someone putting a pamphlet between your wipers.
i mean they didn't even like slap an adhesive sticker on there.
i'm not saying it was the smartest thing to do. but it was fun and relatively harmless.
i doubt the people driving that van will even care when they find out. unless they are really anal, they will probably rip it off and have a laugh when they see it.
no court would take this seriously.
i mean they didn't even like slap an adhesive sticker on there.
i'm not saying it was the smartest thing to do. but it was fun and relatively harmless.
i doubt the people driving that van will even care when they find out. unless they are really anal, they will probably rip it off and have a laugh when they see it.
no court would take this seriously.
Well, you are going to have trouble bringing suit in court with a doctrine that Ronald Reagan repealed back in 1987: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2053
So whine all you want, but there is no fairness doctrine and they are not breaking FCC rules.
Do a little research before you jump to conclusions. It took me two seconds on Google to find that citation. Think people, think.
No, except that you are tying the balloon to a moving vehicle in traffic! See any difference there? Just how long do you think that thing is going to stay tied to a vehicle moving at freeway speed? Then when if comes off, where does it go?
Doesn't anyone have a thought beyond the immediate two second future?
So now your only care for other humans is whether or not a court would take it seriously? Well, a cop would. You would be fined. If the balloon came off and caused an accident you can bet this would be taken very seriously.
But none of that is the point. The point is to have RESPECT for others, which the people here clearly do not.
I leave you to your cesspool here. This place is disgusting these days and gets worse every time I see it.
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PLEASE tell me you're not serious. distractions??
i do agree with you that it wasn't the smartest thing to do, and strictly speaking it doesnt jive with the property rights message.
BUT, GOD, HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR. they didnt glue a RON PAUL forever machinegun that was on fire to the back of it.
THEY TIED.
A BALLOON.
its no more of a "distraction" than just married, high school football or happy birthday writing all over a car. it's no more dangerous than someone tying a surfboard or bike or kayak to the top of their car.
RELAX. its not a big deal. it was completely harmless fun, and about as "property damaging" as someone sticking pamphlets under your windshield wipers.
KIDS TP'ING A HOUSE is 1000x worse than this.
im not saying it was the smartest thing to do, but it was not a frigging big deal, guys, lighten up.
And your condescending comments are really helpful to read.
It was a cute, harmless prank. I'm disgusted by the neo-con cabal sending thousands of my fellow citizens to die or be maimed in Iraq. Why not save some of your vitriol for them instead of fellow supporters?
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God Bless, God bless..
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I know that RP is being suppressed using all kinds of dirty tricks, but that culture is what we are trying to change. We have to be better then that if we are to succeed. I realise that this video doesn't seem that bad, but i believe it is indicative of a deeper trend on these forums. I mentioned the Hannity-incident as another example of the same trend. Even putting up illegal signs is part of it. If we allow ourselves to be provoked into illegal actions, then we loose the high ground, and that will kill the movement. It has happened again and again in almost every anti-establishment movement throughout history. Once the movement develops a culture of confrontation, even if it is only a small subculture, the actions of those few discredit the entire movement. I understand the urge to "fight back" when you are confronted by the arrogance of the powers that be, but all you achieve by it is to expose the entire movement. Ron Paul has been able to achieve everything that he has done because he has never surrendered the high ground. Ultimately i fear that his downfall will be caused by the actions of a few "agent provocateurs" or disgruntled supporters, and the failure of this community to discurage such actions. We simply cannot abandon the principles we are fighting to defend simply because it feels good to get back at those who fight to suppress the ideas of liberty and freedom.
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