Have you watched "For Liberty"?

[Aden]

The recut edition has an awesome 10-minute ending, but cuts out a lot of the original. This is fine in regards to the Walk for Liberty, but a bunch of other awesome stuff was stripped. I have a bunch of original For Liberty on hand that I give to people who are interested in liberty.

Original + Recut ending = winner.
Original - Walk For Liberty + Recut ending = uber winner.

 

[freefromchains]

It is a good Ron Paul video, not for campaigning purposes or reaching out to voters though. I enjoyed it, but nothing special or use for election purposes.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

The recut edition has an awesome 10-minute ending, but cuts out a lot of the original. This is fine in regards to the Walk for Liberty, but a bunch of other awesome stuff was stripped. I have a bunch of original For Liberty on hand that I give to people who are interested in liberty.

Original + Recut ending = winner.
Original - Walk For Liberty + Recut ending = uber winner.

Sounds good. You have a torrent?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I have converted someone with it. It's a great movie to convert people. The reason: it's not trying to convert you. People are actually pretty sophisticated sometimes. They realize when the thing they're watching is attempting to persuade or otherwise manipulate them. That can make them put up all kinds of defenses to protect themselves from being converted by every idiotic yet persuasive thing that comes along. For Liberty just lays it out. It says here's what we did, and here's why. It explains the whole idea of the campaign. If you're the type of person who likes liberty, who likes honesty, who likes sincere enthusiasm, this video makes you understand the Ron Paul campaign. I've had more success with it, I think, than with the "Ron Paul: A Man for All Seasons" or "Ron Paul: A New Hope" DVDs.

RevPAC is completely right to be sending out For Liberty to the supervoters. It's going to have awesome results. We don't have any other video like it. Let's use it.

 

[AJ187]

I've converted a few myself, but not before talking to them about their concerns and finding a way to convey how much Ron Paul's message matches them. I've also watched the recut doc a few times when I'm feeling beat down by the system and the sheeples. It always picks me up.

 

[Esoteric]

At least 10 times. That's not an exaggeration.

 

[rp713]

seen this twice. i'd like to see a doc just on ron and his life. something that goes more in depth

 

[Revolution9]

yes both versions. best doc ever made.

That was the one that almost got me punched up here when I put it on. It is not a video that will pull in folks who don't like politics in my personal experience. I liked it though. It is for phase two after they have begun their grounding in the philosophy of liberty. I am not sure what the best video to start someone off with would be. I like informative, to the point, get on with it already info packets. IME you have about 30 seconds to get interest generated or they revert to the this is just frakkin' political BS mode. A good video of the debate zingers would probably be my choice the next time I have someone who will watch some videos about RP. If they don't like those I will shut up about politics, fire up a hooter and talk trout fishing and deer hunting

Rev9

 

[Butchie]

I converted my dad with it, however I'd agree with some of the others that maybe some of the faces you present in this film aren't the best representatives to be showing to Iowa (and beyond) conservatives. To many of them look like the image of what most cons would call a "dirty hippie", I'm not trying to be mean, just realistic, sad as it may be people are shallow and image does matter.

Also, as other's pointed out, it would be nice to have it more up to date, using old clips is cool don't get me wrong, but to have the bulk of the video be about something that happened 4yrs ago and only a small part be about here and now, especially when Ron lost last time, it's sorta is counterproductive to show him getting all this hype but then dropping out, I'd rather see more updated stuff with his current Straw Poll success We Have To Make Him Seem Like A Winner. Just my thoughts.

 

[brendan.orourke]

"Not the best" is an understatement. It won't convert a single person, ever.

It converted me. It was incredibly influential in opening my eyes to Ron Paul and the liberty movement.

 

[hammy]

Wait, is this what's going out with the super brochure? I think that's a really bad idea. People want to know what's happening NOW not a documentary 4 years ago. You should make a dvd with the straw poll wins, with the CPAC convention, hell I'd be willing to edit it if need be. I'm not the best, but I really don't think we should send this out to convert voters. It just really won't work. Especially since the ending is so negative. When a new voter watches it they go: "oh wow look at all this hard work... and he still didn't win. I guess he can't win."

We need to -seriously- reconsider this if this is what's going out. I really hope someone with the power to change this is reading this.

 

[parocks]

Wait, is this what's going out with the super brochure? I think that's a really bad idea. People want to know what's happening NOW not a documentary 4 years ago. You should make a dvd with the straw poll wins, with the CPAC convention, hell I'd be willing to edit it if need be. I'm not the best, but I really don't think we should send this out to convert voters. It just really won't work. Especially since the ending is so negative. When a new voter watches it they go: "oh wow look at all this hard work... and he still didn't win. I guess he can't win."

We need to -seriously- reconsider this if this is what's going out. I really hope someone with the power to change this is reading this.

I suspect "get a new DVD" is easier said than done.

 

[hammy]

I suspect "get a new DVD" is easier said than done.

No doubt, however, I think as the dvd stands, it's not doing any good. If they've already printed them and whatnot, I guess we will have to go with it, but if not, I think there needs to be some serious considerations going on. I think the dvd is GREAT for people involved in the 07-08 campaign. It's incredibly nostalgic and heartfelt. But if you weren't involved, not to be blunt but, why should you care? It only briefly touches on his policies, it's mostly about how great the movement was. Which is nice and all, but I think the DVD should be about half as long, with just points and bullets on Ron Paul's philosophies and explanations of them. I thought the purpose of the dvd was to help explain this to people because he doesn't get any time in the debates. I think it's a really big wasted opportunity here.

If you're a potential voter, you want:
A. Short
B. Informative
C. (most importantly) Relevant

This video isn't relevant. It doesn't show how much is going on now. There's nothing to even state how to get involved if you did acknowledge Dr. Paul's message. I just think there needs to be a lot of retooling.

 

[nayjevin]

Wait, is this what's going out with the super brochure?

This video, modernized, will be one of several videos on the disc included with the super brochures. AdamT talked about setting up the disc so it auto-plays a different video when inserted - one that is a better introduction. The actual documentary will be one of the other choices in the menus, as I understand it. The folks doing this have made very proffessional choices, in my opinion. Check out http://www.revolutionpac.com and http://www.supervoterbomb.com for more info, also search these forums to see some of the discussions about the project.

 

[hammy]

This video, modernized, will be one of several videos on the disc included with the super brochures. AdamT talked about setting up the disc so it auto-plays a different video when inserted - one that is a better introduction. The actual documentary will be one of the other choices in the menus, as I understand it. The folks doing this have made very proffessional choices, in my opinion. Check out http://www.revolutionpac.com and http://www.supervoterbomb.com for more info, also search these forums to see some of the discussions about the project.

I checked out those links, it looks a lot better from those. Looks incredibly professional. I'm ok with it being an inclusion on the disc, that sounds cool with me. I just don't think it should be the priority. But it looks good after I checked that stuff out.

 

[Eric21ND]

I've converted numerous people with the film. Anybody that doesn't think this film is helpful needs to get outside more or perhaps better learn psychology. This film shows a side of Dr. Paul and his supporters that 99.99% of people haven't seen. Best case scenario is that it inspires someone to become, not only a supporter, but an activist supporter; and at worst it instills a sense of respect for Ron Paul and everyone part of the movement. Everyone in the film came across intelligent. People finally "get it" why we're so passionate and committed upon viewing the film and that can be kind of infectious to the people in the audience.

 

[Muwahid]

I've converted numerous people with the film. Anybody that doesn't think this film is helpful needs to get outside more or perhaps better learn psychology. This film shows a side of Dr. Paul and his supporters that 99.99% of people haven't seen. Best case scenario is that it inspires someone to become, not only a supporter, but an activist supporter; and at worst it instills a sense of respect for Ron Paul and everyone a part of the movement. Everyone in the film came across intelligent. People finally "get it" why we're so passionate and committed, that can be kind of infectious to people.

It's about demographics!!! It could sure convert most people on this forum because of our interests.. but we're talking about conservative, older, Iowans that probably voted for Huckabee, that listen to war mongering 24/7 from FOX, I bet you no one here was a neo-con, watched one video on paul being anti-war, with a bunch of college kids around him crying, and said "hm that makes sense, I'll vote for him in a couple months!"

Outline his policies, especially economic, that's how to strike a chord with Iowans. And discuss the corporate bought media of being afraid of him because of it, to explain why he's not getting media attention

I think people are thinking about "what would work for me", but, everyone's different. The grassroots eats that stuff up but they're not really the targetted demographic on this one.

 

[revgen]

I think the best way to convert people is sometimes not to try to convert them.

Let them see for themselves why we support him. Why we believe in his message. What Michael Nystrom said at the end of the film about being able to vote for a candidate who he could actually trust meant a lot to him. When they see why we support him, they start seeing a bit of us in themselves.

 

[dbill27]

The Problem with "for liberty" is that it's almost entirely about the wars. Very little about Ron on economics. Economics is sucha big part of Ron and the movement I don't understand why it's not in there. Why wouldn't Peter schiff be interviewed or Robert Murphy etc. That's what keeps it from being a good movie to get primary voters imo

 

[Eric21ND]

It's about demographics!!! It could sure convert most people on this forum because of our interests.. but we're talking about conservative, older, Iowans that probably voted for Huckabee, that listen to war mongering 24/7 from FOX, I bet you no one here was a neo-con, watched one video on paul being anti-war, with a bunch of college kids around him crying, and said "hm that makes sense, I'll vote for him in a couple months!"

Outline his policies, especially economic, that's how to strike a chord with Iowans. And discuss the corporate bought media of being afraid of him because of it, to explain why he's not getting media attention

I think people are thinking about "what would work for me", but, everyone's different. The grassroots eats that stuff up but they're not really the targetted demographic on this one.

If policy stuff really swayed the masses of people a great deal they wouldn't have voted for Huckabee in the first place. Now that being said, I did recommend them adding the best Michael Scheuer interview as a must see extra, since foreign policy is our biggest stumbling block and Scheuer explains it so eloquently and in a way digestible, palatable way to neocons.

By the way, the DVD does touch on his foreign policy, including a brief video of Michael Scheuer backing up Dr. Paul (very important to show republican voters that Ron has credible people backing him up), and it also exposes the media bias all in a very entertaining fashion. At the end of the day, Iowa caucus voters getting a For Liberty DVD would be better than not getting anything at all wouldn't you say?