Has Romney ruined it for us?

[manny]

McCain has half the delegates he needs, that's all. And the "liberal" states Florida, Cali and NY are behind us.

It's up to us to get the truth out. Many of the remaining states, especially Texas, present great opportunities.

We knew he was just talking but lots of people voted for Mitt because he pretended to be conservative and they know the Huck and McAmnesty are RINOs. We've got to get Mitt's supporters. Should help that RP was always so polite and welcoming to mormons, especially compared to Huck. Plus anyone who liked Mitt's rhetoric on economics should be a good convert.

Keep pushing the delegates situation too. And door to door.

Ron just became the only viable anti-McCain/Kennedy candidate. He's the only conservative running. Make sure conservatives know this. IF the msm won't then let's do like that early county and get ads into local papers explaining his conservative stances on gun rights, taxes, illegals etc.

 

[nodope0695]

I wrote something up about exactly that, because it got me thinking too. Have a look: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=115829

 

[ryanmkeisling]

Quoted For Extreme Truth... . I know about 3 Lutherans at a church of 1000 I use to go to who support RP... which led to my discovery that I am an atheist. Such blind faith is...sickening, and applaing that any one could believe such a thing, and that I fell for it for so long... *goes to take shower*

All theists have this flaw. Blind faith is the true poison that drives our machine. Once you can be made to believe something blindly, about the nature of yourself and the universe, you can be made to believe almost anything. That is how George Bush can say in a book that jesus told him he needed to go "free" the Iraq people and that book sells 70 million copies in this country, nearly 1/3 of the population.

 

[literatim]

All theists have this flaw. Blind faith is the true poison that drives our machine. Once you can be made to believe something blindly, about the nature of yourself and the universe, you can be made to believe almost anything. That is how George Bush can say in a book that jesus told him he needed to go "free" the Iraq people and that book sells 70 million copies in this country, nearly 1/3 of the population.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBkUWbFjdpg

 

[AzNsOuLjAh27]

people go onto his board, and convince them Mccain doesn't have the same idea's as Saint Romney. And tell them he can't lie half as well.

And make a poll so we can get an idea of how many people were so easily converted.

 

[ziggrl]

Just went to the Republican Michigan county convention. You can't really ask outright who people support (that would be rude). But, most seem to be Romney supporters, and I talked to two people that were NOT mccain supporters. Paul's name was not mentioned ONCE.

 

[angelatc]

Well, many considering Romney supporters now = Paul supporters, and I don't think hardly any of them will be going to McCain, this could keep McCain just as low in delegate count as if Romney were still running...

and work to our advantage.

A lot of Romney supporters are really mad that Ron didn't let ROmney win WV. (Too bad Romnet's people didn't negotiate.)

THey're not going to vote for Ron Paul because of it, even though the official campaign played no part in it.

Also, MItt is a war guy. Even though he is right Paul has isolated himself from the people who are afraid of the terrorists.

The chances for a brokered convention would have been better if Mitt had stayed in the race.

 

[angelatc]

Looks like I was wrong. I was predicting that Romney would stay in and Huck would drop out, without any real hope of a brokered convention.

This gives a glimmer of hope.

~X~

Not if you believe the rumors that HUck is McCains lapdog. Huck is waiting a week or so, jthen he'll drop out and endorse mcCain.THen he'll get the vp nod.

ROmney suspending his campaign instead of just outright exiting the race smells funny to me.

 

[tank]

This is probably the best write up I've seen on the whole Romney thing.

Romney's Out! Ron Paul, Do We Have A Problem?

I think what we all need to do is just stay focused and go after the Romney supporters. More votes is what we need at this point.

 

[angelatc]

This is probably the best write up I've seen on the whole Romney thing.

Romney's Out! Ron Paul, Do We Have A Problem?

I think what we all need to do is just stay focused and go after the Romney supporters. More votes is what we need at this point.

The Romney people are pretty upset right now. Leave them alone for a week or so.

 

[tank]

You can't leave them alone -- there is an election going on and people are still voting. You just have to use good tact -- meaning, just pass out the fliers, slimjims and keep doing what we're doing. We don't have to be pressing, but by changing the fliers to promote similar ideals, then maybe it will help swing the votes. Leaving them alone now is a mistake... voting takes place sooner than later for some states, so they need to be informed. And you can bet Huck's team is doing the same thing right now.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Faith overrides logic and reason. That's why arguing with someone's faith is a no-win situation. I not just talking about religious faith, I'm talking about faith in general.

This is a general observation of the populace as a whole. It's why we have people rejecting well supported scientific theories, believing in conspiracy theories, saying their team is "the best", and why every religion believes their god is the one true diety.

I've talked to people who support McCain, but they don't give any sound reasons for supporting him. They just do. It's their belief he is the best. And no amount of logic seems to have any impact.

But, on the bright side, I'm getting better at determining who is worthwhile to spend time on and who not to. If someone tells me that God told them to vote for Huckabee, I say thank you for their time and move on. If someone tells me they're voting for McCain because he's not a pussy, I thank them for their time and move on. In the face of illogic, only a fool stands and argues.

Of course, our job is made much more difficult by the MSM shoving their candidate down everyone's throat.

You can keep trying of course, but you won't get anywhere. Even as the country crumbles all around them.

*sigh*

~X~

Great post...couldn't have said it better myself

So who do you think is worthwhile to spend time on? My guess is open minded people...but those are rare...anyone else?

 

[tank]

You can spend time on anyone. Even faith believers CHANGE THEIR MIND to. It would be foolish to think otherwise. We don't know who Romney's supporters are -- but that's not the point. The point is, just approach everyone in the same manner, just like we've always been doing. Let them decide -- but it's better to inform them than not at all. Many have already joined our team in other forums -- so they're out there and they are interested in the message.

 

[TruthAtLast]

Faith overrides logic and reason. That's why arguing with someone's faith is a no-win situation. I not just talking about religious faith, I'm talking about faith in general.

This is a general observation of the populace as a whole. It's why we have people rejecting well supported scientific theories, believing in conspiracy theories, saying their team is "the best", and why every religion believes their god is the one true diety.

I've talked to people who support McCain, but they don't give any sound reasons for supporting him. They just do. It's their belief he is the best. And no amount of logic seems to have any impact.

But, on the bright side, I'm getting better at determining who is worthwhile to spend time on and who not to. If someone tells me that God told them to vote for Huckabee, I say thank you for their time and move on. If someone tells me they're voting for McCain because he's not a pussy, I thank them for their time and move on. In the face of illogic, only a fool stands and argues.

Of course, our job is made much more difficult by the MSM shoving their candidate down everyone's throat.

You can keep trying of course, but you won't get anywhere. Even as the country crumbles all around them.

*sigh*

~X~

That is the most truthful thing I've read in awhile. Time and time and time again I defend Ron with common sense and you are EXACTLY right, THEY.... DON'T... CARE! They don't care if we go 50 trillion into debt. They don't care if the dollar is crashing. They don't care about ANYTHING except their own stubborn believe that they are right.

But part of me thinks that no one like to admit or be told they were wrong. No one wants to be told that they have made an uninformed decision, so I guess sometimes I just HOPE that something I've said sinks in and when they are in that voting booth and no one is around to see... they'll vote for Ron. But that is just blind hope on my part.

Sometimes I think we live in two different Americas. Those that are rational, and those that are sheep. It doesn't mean that the sheep aren't good people but they don't want to make any decisions for themselves and want to simply be told what to do by their masters. It's safe for them.

 

[tank]

I believe people do want change -- but subtle change, not dramatic change like Ron Paul can give them. I mean, let's face it, Ron Paul is DRAMATIC CHANGE! People hear no taxes and things like "abolish the IRS" and they start to laugh because they think "No way! Can't be done!"

I think for the most part, people are afraid of change because they like to anticipate what to expect rather than to be shocked. With a McCain/Obama/Clinton win, people are already used to having an imbecile run the country. And while many are currently disappointed, many also still feel safer because they already adjusted their life style to it, so to speak. They got comfortable and most people like that feeling... the feeling of being in the dark.

The smart ones though, they know America is not what it used to be and is sadly slipping away. They know we need someone like Ron Paul to really make change. But our battle is a long way from victory. I feel even RP won Presidency, it would be only one hurdle in a field of many that lay in his path. Liberty is free, but it does take time to do things right.

 

[biles1234]

I think it's great....if Ron Paul would actually run 3rd party.

If McCain and Hillary lock up their respective nominations within the next month or so, imagine the trememdous dissatisfaction with the nominees from both parties.....if Ron Paul were to run as an independent he would garner a large % of the vote and introduce lots of people to his ideas, so whether we win or not, a likeminded individual (a "Ron Paul Republican") would be much more viable in 2012 or 2016.

 

[Paulitician]

Well, Romney didn't ruin anything for us. However, he propably made the situation worse. I think it's natural that you'll see some Romney supporters come to the camp, but it's aslo natural (and more believable) that some Romney supporters are going to McCain and Huckabee.