Hardball on Rand Paul vs. Dick Cheney (video)

[jct74]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfUjPImEZSk

 

[CPUd]

Cheenie

 

[specsaregood]

LOL @ the fake outrage saying Randal went too far making outrageous claims. Leave it to MSNBC hacks to defend Cheney here.

I especially like how they acted like this was something new. Scripted news story is scripted.

 

[mosquitobite]

So Corn is defending Cheney?

The left is actually SCARED of Rand! Hilarious!

Based on this video I had to go see what Democratic Underground was saying about it.

From DU:

Nuclear Unicorn (10,620 posts)
32. My immediate take on this comment --

If he becomes the nominee, Paul will carry the GOP vote in the general election because they hate big government and/or he's simply the GOP nominee and they're voting for their color jersey.

However, among the indies and purplish dems Paul's comment will create a schism from which the Democratic party may not recover in 2016. A significant part of Obama's win in 2008 was war fatigue. Much to our dismay Obama has not capitalized on this sentiment as strongly as he could have. Yes, we left Iraq and are drawing down in Afghanistan but after Libya and a close shave in Syria as well as the on-going drone war and NSA mess Obama appears to be little more than a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do moralist.

Hillary cannot claim she is the anti-war candidate, nor can Biden or Kerry for that matter. Paul just pulled some of the war fatigue electorate to his side and has depressed a sufficient number of others to put a dent in Democratic voter turnout. He received a war reception in Berkley of all places.

To all the accommodationists out there: THIS is why purity matters. Go-along-to-get-along-ism may seem like a way lasso votes in the near term but in the long term it invariably becomes the rope by which the opponent hangs you.

I'll probably be flamed for this post but I'm just making an observation on what I think I see. I am not giving an endorsement of Paul.

Star Member jwirr (22,379 posts)
18. Not a Paul supporter but here I agree with him totally. Cheney is nothing but a privateer.

G_j (33,864 posts)
20. sucks that the others let somebody like Rand Paul say it

when they ALL know it's true.

 

[Inkblots]

There's that word again: "isolationist". Do these hacks honestly not see the problem with defining isolationist as "thinking, occasionally, that there's a war somewhere in the world America shouldn't fight"?

 

[juleswin]

There's that word again: "isolationist". Do these hacks honestly not see the problem with defining isolationist as "thinking, occasionally, that there's a war somewhere in the world America shouldn't fight"?

Its what they use to paralyze people in fear that the next Hitler is around the corner. But I dont think it will work this time. You can only fool the same people so many times with the same trick before they figure it out.

 

[donnay]

Cheney did exploit 9/11, no doubt. I am still wondering 12 years later, what did Iraq do with regards to the horrible events that went down on 9/11?

 

[jct74]

The Young Turks on Rand's comments



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G_0rUH0iYY

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Mother Jones and MSNBC: the epitome of the left-wing media noise machine.

The Young Turks on Rand's comments

YouTube title: [Mother Jones headline]. Actual comment:

When the Iraq war started, Halliburton got a billion-dollar no-bid contract. Some of the stuff has been so shoddy and so sloppy that our soldiers are over there dying in the shower from electrocution. I mean, it shouldn't be sloppy work, it shouldn't be bad procurement process. But it really shouldn't be that these people are so powerful that they direct even policy.

Where in the hell does that comment say Cheney pushed for the Iraq war to profit? This is pure sensationalism, and the Young Turks apparently didn't bother to read past the headline, which is what Mother Jones wants.

 

[KingNothing]

Haha, two down, one to go. Haha, haha, dropping bombs, waging war, and slaughtering people while spending billions of tax payer dollars is HILARIOUS! Good one, Cheeenie.

 

[KingNothing]

If the neocons are trying to trot this out to smear Rand because they think it will turn independents, Democrats or even Republicans off, they're more out of touch than I thought. America is tired of wasting money and wasting lives. We don't want this nonsense anymore. The neocons have another thing coming if they think they're hurting Randy with this.

 

[CPUd]

I can see Rand writing an editorial about this in the next day or so.

 

[KingNothing]

Incidentally, here's an article from Evil Reason Magazine about Rand catching flack from neocons:

http://reason.com/archives/2014/04/04/if-rand-paul-has-hawks-nervous-hes-doing

 

[mosquitobite]

If the neocons are trying to trot this out to smear Rand because they think it will turn independents, Democrats or even Republicans off, they're more out of touch than I thought. America is tired of wasting money and wasting lives. We don't want this nonsense anymore. The neocons have another thing coming if they think they're hurting Randy with this.

That's what I think they've done here! The neo-cons actually think it's going to HELP them!

 

[Kords21]

Everyone wants to take a shot at the frontrunner

 

[WD-NY]

So Corn is defending Cheney?

The left is actually SCARED of Rand! Hilarious!

Based on this video I had to go see what Democratic Underground was saying about it.

From DU:

Awesome find! What's the URL of the Democratic Underground post you quoted from??

Also, if anyone has a HotAir account, this would be an AWESOME quote (with link) to re-post so that readers over there can see first-hand how legitimately "afraid" of Rand the DEM/progressive grassroots is.

E.g. today's HotAir post on the Rand/Cheney video (which actually includes a video of the Cheney interview Rand was talking about, which I thought was very fair of them):
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/...-invading-iraq-after-working-for-halliburton/

Nuclear Unicorn (10,620 posts) 32. My immediate take on this comment --

If he becomes the nominee, Paul will carry the GOP vote in the general election because they hate big government and/or he's simply the GOP nominee and they're voting for their color jersey.

However, among the indies and purplish dems Paul's comment will create a schism from which the Democratic party may not recover in 2016. A significant part of Obama's win in 2008 was war fatigue. Much to our dismay Obama has not capitalized on this sentiment as strongly as he could have. Yes, we left Iraq and are drawing down in Afghanistan but after Libya and a close shave in Syria as well as the on-going drone war and NSA mess Obama appears to be little more than a do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do moralist.

Hillary cannot claim she is the anti-war candidate, nor can Biden or Kerry for that matter. Paul just pulled some of the war fatigue electorate to his side and has depressed a sufficient number of others to put a dent in Democratic voter turnout. He received a war reception in Berkley of all places.

To all the accommodationists out there: THIS is why purity matters. Go-along-to-get-along-ism may seem like a way lasso votes in the near term but in the long term it invariably becomes the rope by which the opponent hangs you.

I'll probably be flamed for this post but I'm just making an observation on what I think I see. I am not giving an endorsement of Paul.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Where did Rand get the scoop on the George Tenet and Richard Pearle conversation as they passed at the White House doors after 9/11?

 

[twomp]

This is AWESOME!! The only thing that could make it better is if Ted Cruz comes out tomorrow and defends Cheney. I eagerly await the fool that comes out to defend Cheney. I'm sure that pathetic excuse of a human Jennifer Rubin will.

 

[Vanguard101]

DIDNT THEY USE TO SAY THE SAME THING ABOUT BUSH AND CHENEY? HOLY CRAP


Wait I watched the video and Matthews wasn't the idiot.

 

[anaconda]

I don't think Rand said that Halliburton profits were Cheney's only incentive. I think Matthews may have inferred that at one point in this segment.