Happy Birthday Robert E. Lee

[devil21]

Proud to say that General Lee is in my family tree.

 

[jmdrake]

I wonder what would have happened if their right to secede had been respected?

Never the less when you shake off some of things we've been told a small voice of reason can be heard to grow out of the darkness of their plight. Not that I hold with bullying fellow men just for their color or stature.

Now it seems we find we are all being bullied globally. Secession will be an option. New options will have to be tested to work our way out of our plight.

The cost may be dear but so has been the option of doing nothing.

Well Andrew Jackson, southerner from Tennessee, was not at all respectful of secession. A compromise was found and the Union was preserved without war. A compromise could have been found prior to the civil war if both sides hadn't been bullheaded. There was no need to fire on Ft. Sumpter. And after Ft. Sumpter was fired on, the Union still could have waited for calm. The compromise that could have worked is that instead of keeping tariffs low, they could have been raised as the northern industrial states wanted, but all of the money could have been reinvested in the south for emancipation of slaves and building up a southern industrial base. As it stands, I personally believe God wanted the civil war to punish both the north and the south for the sin of slavery.

 

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

Well Andrew Jackson, southerner from Tennessee, was not at all respectful of secession. A compromise was found and the Union was preserved without war. A compromise could have been found prior to the civil war if both sides hadn't been bullheaded. There was no need to fire on Ft. Sumpter. And after Ft. Sumpter was fired on, the Union still could have waited for calm. The compromise that could have worked is that instead of keeping tariffs low, they could have been raised as the northern industrial states wanted, but all of the money could have been reinvested in the south for emancipation of slaves and building up a southern industrial base. As it stands, I personally believe God wanted the civil war to punish both the north and the south for the sin of slavery.

just that? What about High Tariffs and crony capitalism, what about the disenfranchisment of all people other than slaves. Why does this god want to welcome people into his kingdom for one purpose?

 

[Pericles]

Well Andrew Jackson, southerner from Tennessee, was not at all respectful of secession. A compromise was found and the Union was preserved without war. A compromise could have been found prior to the civil war if both sides hadn't been bullheaded. There was no need to fire on Ft. Sumpter. And after Ft. Sumpter was fired on, the Union still could have waited for calm. The compromise that could have worked is that instead of keeping tariffs low, they could have been raised as the northern industrial states wanted, but all of the money could have been reinvested in the south for emancipation of slaves and building up a southern industrial base. As it stands, I personally believe God wanted the civil war to punish both the north and the south for the sin of slavery.

Just think, if the North had taken the $6.1 billion it spent on the war, and paid $1000 per slave (above market value as a rule), they would have had over $2 billion left over after it was all said and done. And saved over $3 billion in pensions for veterans over the next 50 years.

 

[Origanalist]

Well Andrew Jackson, southerner from Tennessee, was not at all respectful of secession. A compromise was found and the Union was preserved without war. A compromise could have been found prior to the civil war if both sides hadn't been bullheaded. There was no need to fire on Ft. Sumpter. And after Ft. Sumpter was fired on, the Union still could have waited for calm. The compromise that could have worked is that instead of keeping tariffs low, they could have been raised as the northern industrial states wanted, but all of the money could have been reinvested in the south for emancipation of slaves and building up a southern industrial base. As it stands, I personally believe God wanted the civil war to punish both the north and the south for the sin of slavery.

That's a interesting thought, but if God were to punish this nation with civil war for it's sins wouldn't we all be dead by now? I'm glad I'm not God, I sure wouldn't want that job. People really suck.

 

[PierzStyx]

" It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it."

people are to fond of war.... from the anarchists to the fascists they to turn to the war Gods all to readily....

Reminds me of one of my church leaders' comment about the US:

"We are a warlike people, easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel --ships, planes, missiles, fortifications -- and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become anti-enemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan's counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior's teaching:

"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45.)" - Spencer W. Kimball

 

[PierzStyx]

Well Andrew Jackson, southerner from Tennessee, was not at all respectful of secession. A compromise was found and the Union was preserved without war. A compromise could have been found prior to the civil war if both sides hadn't been bullheaded. There was no need to fire on Ft. Sumpter. And after Ft. Sumpter was fired on, the Union still could have waited for calm. The compromise that could have worked is that instead of keeping tariffs low, they could have been raised as the northern industrial states wanted, but all of the money could have been reinvested in the south for emancipation of slaves and building up a southern industrial base. As it stands, I personally believe God wanted the civil war to punish both the north and the south for the sin of slavery.

David Donald, a sympathetic Lincoln biographer, points out that Lincoln manipulated events so that the South would fire on Sumter with the specific purpose of getting a justification to launch war on the South and militarily invade it. Lincoln was looking for a reason to start the war.

 

[samforpaul]

Proud to say that General Lee is in my family tree.

Interesting.

I'd be curious to know of Lee's children and grandchildren. Who were they and what paths did they take in life?

 

[devil21]

Interesting.

I'd be curious to know of Lee's children and grandchildren. Who were they and what paths did they take in life?

I don't currently have direct access to the genealogy work that my grandmother (and earlier ancestors) did but she did verify the lineage. I could probably find out if you really want to know.

David Donald, a sympathetic Lincoln biographer, points out that Lincoln manipulated events so that the South would fire on Sumter with the specific purpose of getting a justification to launch war on the South and militarily invade it. Lincoln was looking for a reason to start the war.

I wonder if there are any investigative studies/books written on how long "false flags" have been in use and the revisionist history that they spurred. Seems to be one of the very oldest tricks in the book for manipulating people into wars.