Hannity's America

So should I sayyou come to the conclusion RP wants you too?

Bad argument.

That's a lot for you to say.

I have come to the same conclusion Ron Paul has voiced. Voting anything else but third party gives more legitimacy to the one party system in America. Democrats and Republicans do the same things once they are elected. Their records are nearly identical. Pretending there is a difference between them is a fools game and ignores the historical facts that there isn't. If you want to promote McCain you should do so elsewhere. This is grass roots support for the CFL. If you don't agree with the CFL's goals maybe it is time for you to leave this forum.
 
I read an interview with Rupert Murdoch who clearly admitted that he decided Fox News agenda would be to prop up the Bush Administration and Foreign Policy. Sean Hannity works for Rupert Murdach. I venture to say we don't really know what Hannity personally thinks...he is doing a job. I agree with Ron Paul's foreign policy and pretty much everything else ...but, He is not running. Chuck Baldwin isn't even registering...he's going nowhere. Barr's campaign was ruined...I am supporting McCain to block Obama and the democrats because they will be a disaster. I sincerely do not believe the Constitution will survive under an Obama Administration. He's already brainwashing the youth. If ya'll can't see this...well, you will get what you deserve. I'm sure most of you think this economic crash was the fault of George Bush <eyeroll> I honestly believe Ron Paul didn't do the movement any favors by leading it down the path to nowhere. It's split all to heck. I like Ron Paul but nobody is perfect. Tones
 
Look at the referenced interviw RP di with hannity... He wasn't calling him names and being a jerk to him.

Ron Paul thought it was good that Hannity was getting a lot of flak from his supporters though. Hannity is a dimwit. He knows nothing outside of his talking points and sticks to them even when he is being made a fool of on national television. Fox only keeps him because there are not too many people willing to make such a fool of themselves on TV as Hannity is. Hannity will do anything for the almighty dollar. There is nothing great about that clown. The way he treated Ron Paul and his supporters was despicable.
 
I was a strong supporter of RP. I had my car plastered with RP material.. I did everything I could to get him votes...

My wife was our RP precint captain..

It is really amazng to me, the vitrial and the way people here will turn on you if you have a differing opinion. They act in a way that I don't think RP would act.

Look at the referenced interviw RP di with hannity... He wasn't calling him names and being a jerk to him.

I'm glad to hear this. I disagree with, but appreciate your opinion.

Regards,
Tim
 
That's a lot for you to say.

I have come to the same conclusion Ron Paul has voiced. Voting anything else but third party gives more legitimacy to the one party system in America. Democrats and Republicans do the same things once they are elected. Their records are nearly identical. Pretending there is a difference between them is a fools game and ignores the historical facts that there isn't. If you want to promote McCain you should do so elsewhere. This is grass roots support for the CFL. If you don't agree with the CFL's goals maybe it is time for you to leave this forum.

I do agree with CFL's goals... I don't agree with their current tactics.

I have come to a different conclusion that you AT THIS POINT IN TIME.


Do you really want meto leave? Do you not want my support?
 
I read an interview with Rupert Murdoch who clearly admitted that he decided Fox News agenda would be to prop up the Bush Administration and Foreign Policy. Sean Hannity works for Rupert Murdach. I venture to say we don't really know what Hannity personally thinks...he is doing a job. I agree with Ron Paul's foreign policy and pretty much everything else ...but, He is not running. Chuck Baldwin isn't even registering...he's going nowhere. Barr's campaign was ruined...I am supporting McCain to block Obama and the democrats because they will be a disaster. I sincerely do not believe the Constitution will survive under an Obama Administration. He's already brainwashing the youth. If ya'll can't see this...well, you will get what you deserve. I'm sure most of you think this economic crash was the fault of George Bush <eyeroll> I honestly believe Ron Paul didn't do the movement any favors by leading it down the path to nowhere. It's split all to heck. I like Ron Paul but nobody is perfect. Tones

Completely agree...
 
Ron Paul thought it was good that Hannity was getting a lot of flak from his supporters though. Hannity is a dimwit. He knows nothing outside of his talking points and sticks to them even when he is being made a fool of on national television. Fox only keeps him because there are not too many people willing to make such a fool of themselves on TV as Hannity is. Hannity will do anything for the almighty dollar. There is nothing great about that clown. The way he treated Ron Paul and his supporters was despicable.

You are name calling with NO substance. RP did not call him a dmwit. He simplydisagres with him on SOME things. Hannity talks bad about RP followers NOT RP. RP followers have made asses of their selfs at times. can you say BLOWBACK?

I never said ANYTHING about hannity being great..
 
I am going to ask this risking the ire of everyone on the forum...Is Ron Paul really an Obama fan? His decision to support Baldwin might certainly secure an Obama win. Tragic! Tones
 
I was a strong supporter of RP...

Look at the referenced interviw RP di with hannity... He wasn't calling him names and being a jerk to him.

Since you are strictly in past tense with Paul("was a strong supporter") is your goal to try to sway us to McCain because you are a McCain supporter. You cannot support both unless you are schizophrenic. Most of us here are still Paul supporters. It wasn't about the man but the principals. Someone voting for McCain has sold out principals to fear mongering bs that keeps the impression that a two(really one) party system is being maintained by the voting public.(the Oz illusion)Lesser of two evils is a fallacious discussion meant to create contempt and induce fear of the opposition in a controled scenario. Something that really should not exist since the ballots aren't in yet and there really are more than two candidates on the ballot.

So you don't like the company Obama keeps, have you realized what depraved nature McCain has? If you can be swayed by FOX to see Obama's evil then why not McCain's? Bomb bomb Iran? The wife he ditched because she was not what he signed up for when he married her? The POWs he sold down the river? You bought the spin. McCain is a tool and did not get the nod by fair election. Anyone who went through the delegate process will confirm this if they sat through it and saw what we saw in the belly of conservatism, Cobb County Georgia. It was sickening...You would have to be blind or completely naive to believe that McCain isn't a tool after what we saw...

As for Hannity he is just typical southern hospitality. They teach you not to be rude to someones face. After Paul was on he made plenty of snarky, crappy comments in the snippets I have heard when I listened briefly to know thy enemy back then.

Anyone who thinks that we can be swayed by an argument posed by the FOX network never really understood how deep the contempt goes for the network and its top "reporters/commentators". Without trust for where the information comes from then you have already lost credibilty for your argument. FOX news is an entertainment channel. Henceforth why they were capable of winning a suit that would have required them to tell the truth. Going there to retrieve actual information is illogical because it is all coated in propagandized spin thus dilluting the critical capacity of the viewer to decifer what is truth from what is illusion. You are being primed to believe how they are leading you to interpret the information and after that you will be tainted in reassessing it because of preconceived ideas. Look up Frank Luntz to see how this works. It is an effective tool.

Vote how you want to vote. However the power really isn't in the vote. The real change is in infiltrating and redeeming a corrupt system. Shaming us on our forum because your holier than thou attitude thinks some over-exuberant supporters should require constant repentance by the masses is just a way to make us think the opposition requires undue respect and a failed attempt to demoralize us.

BTW I now live in Ohio and advocate for third party voting!!!!:D
 
I am going to ask this risking the ire of everyone on the forum...Is Ron Paul really an Obama fan? His decision to support Baldwin might certainly secure an Obama win. Tragic! Tones

No he's really a McCain supporter and he is trying to piss off the leftists who voted for him...sheesh!!!:rolleyes:
 
Since you are strictly in past tense with Paul("was a strong supporter") ... supporters should require constant repentance by the masses is just a way to make us think the opposition requires undue respect and a failed attempt to demoralize us.

BTW I now live in Ohio and advocate for third party voting!!!!:D


First of all... i AM NOW a supporter.. but I am a McCain voter...

and Im not a schizophrenic.

The rest of your post requires no response... all of your RP talking points are tired..

I have discussed at length "lesser of two evils", "fear mongering", my ability to gether information from MANY sources including RP sources (not just FOX).

Hannity is from NY .. he is not southern... I am BTW

You are going to have a hard time infiltrating a corrupt system if you keep defending the actions of your "over-exuberant " followers.

Why don't you HELP themovement by condeming these actions and trying to get the movement to grow up.. That is ultimately what I am tryin to do.
 
Wrong.... I gave ONE reference to where I listened to Hannity... I actually boycotted him fo quite a while becaue of his treatment of RP.

If you can't back up your claims, stp telling me they are fascist.

I suppose the definition of Fascism is in the eye of the beholder :cool:: "Fox News Fascism: Ron Paul Excluded From Debates"
Anthony Wade
OpEd News
December 29, 2007

Fox News has made its bones off of being a fake news agency. Everyone knows it. While it worked for several years the shine has begun to diminish and the people are waking up to the real damage it can do to mainstream media. Granted, most mainstream media is really no better than Fox News, as they are all corporately controlled by companies that are in bed with the war machine. MSNBC is learning the lessons now as such obviously biased hosts such as Joe Scarborough and Tucker Carlson have failed miserably next to the more honest Keith Olbermann. America is slowly coming around to the notion that news should actually be fundamentally fair. Fox of course has been notoriously unfair and imbalanced for years now. Thus it should come as no surprise that Fox News has decided to once again try to subvert the democratic process by excluding Dr. Ron Paul from their upcoming GOP debate in New Hampshire.

This is what happens when people try to laugh off the power a Fox News can have. Because they have been tolerated as being “real”; they have been at the table to host debates. The first GOP debate hosted by Fox was a lesson in bias. On the stage were eight men who were battling over who could blow the world up better, and Dr. Paul. Fox tried their best to marginalize Paul as best they could. He received half the amount of questions as everyone else. You could hear Fox jack up the volume on the other candidates’ microphones when Paul was responding so the snickering could be heard loud and clear. At one point, in a moment that should be embarrassing for news professionals everywhere, the moderator asked a follow up question to Paul that said, “So you take your marching orders from al Qaeda?” Paul swiftly slapped Chris “fake news guy” Wallace back into line by saying he took his orders from the Constitution. Yet after all of this Fox also tried to stack the post debate against Paul as well. They had seen how Dr. Paul was winning all of the online polling after each previous debate so they switched the method. Instead of voting online, you had to text in who you thought won the Fox debate. Lo and behold, Ron Paul was crushing his competition yet again, much to the dismay of Sean Hannity who exclaimed, “Oh no not again, Ron Paul did not win this debate!”

Apparently Fox has figured out how to deal with the Paul phenomena this time around though; they have excluded him from the debates altogether. Never mind that he is polling higher in New Hampshire then some of the others who were invited. Never mind that he has out performed all of his competition in fundraising, WITHOUT taking lobbyist/corporate monies. Never mind that he raised six million dollars in one day. The issue is simply to subvert democracy and have a fake news agency tell you who you can listen to for presidential candidates. It is beyond appalling, it is sickening. I do not care if you are right or left, republican or progressive; you must be disgusted by this move to try and willfully interfere with our electoral processes.

Let’s face it; we know why Fox has taken this tact. First, Ron Paul is the only one who has a different opinion then the rest of the GOP crowd. Fox wants the consistent message of the neocon sent at the debates. Iraq is going great, Iran should be blown up next, and only the big strong republicans can protect you from the boogey-man…and Hillary. Fox does not want to hear Dr. Paul injecting sanity into the debate. They do not want to hear how it is unconstitutional to go to war without congressional approval. They do not want to hear about how the country is broke and we need to pay down the debt. They do not want to hear anything that diverts from the script they have orchestrated.

Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the machine is scared. They are scared of the momentum they see Ron Paul generating from a real grassroots effort. They are scared of the message that says it is not ok to blow up other countries for the profit of a few. They are scared of the message that says civil liberties matter. They are scared because they see that someone may get elected who understands the precarious situation we are in with our currency. They are scared because all of their efforts to mock and marginalize, to ignore and dismiss have only further emboldened the cause for liberty.

Regardless of the reasons though, it is a dark day for our democracy when any news agency, even a fake one, can purposefully and maliciously try to affect the outcome of a presidential election. I have read that Fox News will be embarrassed if Paul ends up winning the New Hampshire primary despite this blackout. Nonsense. Fox News does not care about being embarrassed. They have been an embarrassment for a decade and they do not care. That is how Rupert Murdoch operates. He does not care about appearance or reputation. He cares only about imposing his narrow-uber-conservative view upon the world. He does not care how he does it.

I would call for a boycott of Fox News but no one really takes them seriously. Just remember this point in history America. The machine is now telling you who you can even listen to and the rest of the media is complicit in their silence over it. There are many waypoints on the road to fascism and today we are staring at yet another. Dr. Paul has warned us repeatedly about the fascist state we are heading more deeply into. I guess that message was heard loud and clear by the fascists who have no decided to try and silence him. Liberty and freedom however have a way of rising above the white noise generated by the machine that seeks to stifle them. I pray that continues to happen in the face of the blatant undermining of everything we stand for as a nation.
 
I suppose the definition of Fascism is in the eye of the beholder :cool:: "Fox News Fascism: Ron Paul Excluded From Debates"
Anthony Wade
OpEd News
December 29, 2007

Fox News has ... a nation.

I was appauled by RP being excluded and boycotted FO for quite a while but excluding paul does not = fascism...
 
End and Tones,

I think of the millions of American voters who have been programmed to thinking like you are this election season, and I weep inside.

Of all election seasons, with the unprecedented socialistic bailout we just experienced and both McCain and Obama supported, with the continued saber rattling with Iran and Georgia/Russia that McCain and Obama talk up, with the absolutely undeniable and unforgivable way Ron Paul was treated with disdain and mockery during the primary season by the mainstream media and during the debates (those in which he was 'allowed' to participate) ---

That on top of the fact that for the last 8 years under a Republican administration and R-controlled Congress, RP principles have not only been ignored, but they have been flouted, marginalized, and outright unlegislated. In fact, the government has grown larger, LARGER!!, under the Republicans!!!!

How on earth any intelligent, Ron Paul oriented voter could ever succumb to the perpetuated 'horse-race' mentality is absolutely beyond me.

Can't you see that if everyone voted the way you do, we'll just continue to perpetuate the status quo?

Can't you see that if you and the millions of others who are thinking and voting based on your mindset would STOP, and instead change your voting pattern, and pick a third party candidate, WE COULD SHIFT AWAY FROM THE STATUS QUO DRAMATICALLY!!!

And how, praytell, does such a chain reaction start? By people like you DOING JUST THAT.

It will not happen by talking good talk, and then voting status quo, thinking that'll get 'the movement time to grow'.

The definition of insanity is DOING the same thing over and over, expecting different results. That's exactly what you're asking all of us to do.

We're saying it's time to regain our sanity by DOING something different. The insanity stops now, this year, this election.

Go tell your McCain and Obama supporters that if they really want change, they need to pick a third party and take the country back. Let's get millions of votes for Barr, Nader,..., and ZERO VOTES FOR THE STATUS QUO!!!!

...sorry for the all caps, btw...sometimes my Ron Paul passion gets mistaken for "craziness"
 
End and Tones,

I think of the millions of American voters who have been programmed to thinking like you are this election season, and I weep inside.

Of all election seasons, with the unprecedented socialistic bailout we just experienced and both McCain and Obama supported, with the continued saber rattling with Iran and Georgia/Russia that McCain and Obama talk up, with the absolutely undeniable and unforgivable way Ron Paul was treated with disdain and mockery during the primary season by the mainstream media and during the debates (those in which he was 'allowed' to participate) ---

That on top of the fact that for the last 8 years under a Republican administration and R-controlled Congress, RP principles have not only been ignored, but they have been flouted, marginalized, and outright unlegislated. In fact, the government has grown larger, LARGER!!, under the Republicans!!!!

How on earth any intelligent, Ron Paul oriented voter could ever succumb to the perpetuated 'horse-race' mentality is absolutely beyond me.

Can't you see that if everyone voted the way you do, we'll just continue to perpetuate the status quo?

Can't you see that if you and the millions of others who are thinking and voting based on your mindset would STOP, and instead change your voting pattern, and pick a third party candidate, WE COULD SHIFT AWAY FROM THE STATUS QUO DRAMATICALLY!!!

And how, praytell, does such a chain reaction start? By people like you DOING JUST THAT.

It will not happen by talking good talk, and then voting status quo, thinking that'll get 'the movement time to grow'.

The definition of insanity is DOING the same thing over and over, expecting different results. That's exactly what you're asking all of us to do.

We're saying it's time to regain our sanity by DOING something different. The insanity stops now, this year, this election.

Go tell your McCain and Obama supporters that if they really want change, they need to pick a third party and take the country back. Let's get millions of votes for Barr, Nader,..., and ZERO VOTES FOR THE STATUS QUO!!!!

...sorry for the all caps, btw...sometimes my Ron Paul passion gets mistaken for "craziness"


It is amazing to me how you say we are "programmed". The more I am here the more it sees like a cult. This is NOT an outsider calling what he doesn't understand loonies and nuts... This is me ... an insider..

Everyone here spouts the RP mantra... I think for myself.

I have explainedMANY times that I am trying my best t educate outsiders.. to me a protest vote will not accomplish anything with the numbers we have at tis point... we MUST grow the movement ifwe want to make a difference and the biggest wal to doing that right now is people acting like idiots. Their actions speak volumes... They do things RP would never do...
 
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