Hamas fan Tamimi makes his kids attack IDF soldiers repeatedly, films it, you all swallow it

Would you use your own kids to attack soldiers with machine guns, just to film it?


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Lol its a fact. Jordan got 75% of the Palestine mandate, the Palestinian flag is Jordan's without a star (drawn in 1967), 90% of Jordanians call themselves Palestinian, and Palestinians in the territories would happily join Jordan if they didn't hate Jordan's foreign Hashemite king (everyone hates everyone there). Its just a fact. Go look up the Palestine mandate. You can pretend history began after Jordan was created, but that just shows that you're pretending.

And you consistently ignore the fact that Palestine will never allow to Jew to live there, has oppressive Sharia law in general, and promises to destroy Israel and kick out all its Jews. This is what they have always said. You can pretend that I "inject so many unrelated things into the discussion," but this just demonstrates your religious refusal to acknowledge basic facts: Palestine has never wanted peace, Palestine has always promised to kick out all the Jews and take all the land, just like the Muslim states invading Israel kicked out 99% of their Jews (and all those Arab Jews went to Israel). Israel allows Jews to live there with equal rights, Palestine promises to kick out all of them (while Gaza promises to kill all of them, in order to follow Muhamad's orders), and you declare your support for Palestine. Always remember this: you're siding with the ones who want to kick out all the Jews. That's not unrelated. You support the ones who want to kick out all the Jews. That's the side you're on.

Let me ask you a simple question: Do you think Israel's Jews should be kicked out? Even the several million who are descendants of Arab Jews kicked out between 1948-53? Do you support the Muslim effort to kick out all those Arab Jews all over again? Because this has always been the Muslim and Palestinian position, no matter how many times you whine that I'm making it up.

I said I won't respond but I want to address your lies again. The creation of Jordan was entirely separate from the Palestine partition plan and had 0 bearing on the division of the land. I don't know why you are inventing random numbers without any rationale, 75%, 90%... where does this shit come from? Why do you just make shit up?

And to answer your question, I think anyone who came to live on land that had been stolen from the original owners should obviously leave, as they had no right to take that land in the first place. To argue contrary to this you are only endorsing theft, unless of course you believe God himself awarded this land to all the Jews from all over the world, and in that case, you may as well stop posting here as no one will take you seriously (not that anyone does, anyway.)

Also, I just found some old posts of yours on your maybemaybenot account, where you were telling more lies and couldn't even respond to my post :(. Why don't you just get lost? You're not convincing anyone
 
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I said I won't respond but I want to address your lies again. The creation of Jordan was entirely separate from the Palestine partition plan and had 0 bearing on the division of the land. I don't know why you are inventing random numbers without any rationale, 75%, 90%... where does this shit come from? Why do you just make shit up?

And to answer your question, I think anyone who came to live on land that had been stolen from the original owners should obviously leave, as they had no right to take that land in the first place. To argue contrary to this you are only endorsing theft, unless of course you believe God himself awarded this land to all the Jews from all over the world, and in that case, you may as well stop posting here as no one will take you seriously (not that anyone does, anyway.)

You're the one singling out Israel's land theft as if its worse than the Arabs stealing more land during the same five yr period. You just ignore everything the Arabs do. Between 1948-53, Israel kicked out 700,000 Muslims (while being invaded by five countries promising to kick out every Jew), while the Arabs kicked out 900,000 Jews, and to this very day the Arabs promise to kick every Jew out of Israel (half of whom are the descendants of Arab Jews kicked out between 1948-53). You're siding with the religious fanatics trying to expel millions and steal more land.

Jordan was part of the Palestine Mandate until 1923, this is a simple fact. It got 75% of the land, go calculate the territorial area yourself. And on top of that, all of the Ottoman Empire's territory was divided up, but only Israel/Palestine, after Jordan's creation, is what ppl analyze. When Israel was created in 1948 (when they declared themselves a state), not a single inch of land was stolen by anyone, period. The Arabs then invaded Israel, promising to kick out every Jew, because Islam says that no land ruled by Islam can ever be ceded, this is just a fact, its what Islam states, its what they believe. Its the same reason they conquered Jerusalem and Istanbul/Constantinople from Christianity the second time. Palestine said and still says that no Jew can live on any of this land, this is why Palestine is Jew-free today. When the Arabs invaded Israel's made-up borders in 1948, Israel then kicked out 700,000 Muslims, 2/3's of the Muslim population and about 1/3 of the total population of Israel's made-up borders (which was 55% Jewish), while the Arab countries kicked out 90% or 95% or more of their Jews, almost 900,000 ppl, and they all went to Israel. The Arabs literally stole more land in a war they started. And if you want to talk about 1948 wars, go look at the 14,000,000 ppl expelled in the India/Pakistan war, mostly by Pakistan. And if you want to talk about the modern era of mankind, go look at the 4,000,000 refugees from the Syrian civil war in the last five years (and Syria was attacking Israel constantly since before Israel stole an inch of land, always promising to kick out every Jew). The only way to side with Palestine on this is to ignore everything Palestine and the Arabs do, and act like everything Israel does is automatically worse. You simply hold Israel to different standards. Even if Israel did steal more land, or "the land," and they didn't, it wouldn't change the fact that this was 70 yrs ago, Israel is a secular democracy that treats each religion the same, and its the only country in the region that can say this. Palestine wants to kick out all the Jews today, Palestine wanted to kick out all the Jews back then, and that's if you ignore the constant promises to kill all the Jews (like the Arab League president before the 1948 war, Palestine's 1948 leader al-Husseini who was a recruiter for the Nazi SS, or Hamas which governs 40% of Palestinians today under a unity government with the PA). But if you want to side with the ppl who start every war, kicked out more ppl, and promise to kick out millions of Jews who were born in Israel, go ahead, but don't pretend you're basing your argument on human rights or property rights or anything like that; you have an anti-Israel fetish.
 
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Why does Israel deliberately target civilians?

A new independent medical fact-finding mission in Gaza has detailed Israel’s deliberate killing of Palestinian civilians in its summer 2014 attack, codenamed Operation “Protective Edge.” Acts documented in the investigation include the use of human shields, close-range murder of civilians, targeting of medics, and more. -

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/independent-investigation-deliberate
 

Twomp, your "independent" report from PHR-Israel comes from an anti-Israel activist group that wants to end the occupation without a peace treaty, consciously supporting the Palestinian effort to destroy Israel and kick out or kill every Jew (half of whom are descendants of Arab Jews kicked out between 1948-53, so you want to kick out the same Jews AGAIN). Most significant out of all the lies they spew in their reports, is how they totally ignore the Palestinian use of human shields, which they glorify every single day as a religious practice, making it blatantly obvious. The PHR-Israel report you cite even mentioned that IDF rockets hit nearby the main Gaza City hospital, totally ignoring the fact that Hamas HQ is underneath the Gaza City hospital (which was built by Israel), totally ignoring the fact that the Gaza City hospital was used to fire and store Iranian rockets. Hamas purposely fires from there and all other civilian areas, blatantly telling their ppl to get killed and ignore IDF warnings to leave buildings that are used to fire Iranian rockets, and promising to kill every Jew, and this anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian group ignores this in order to demonize Israel. They're as independent as you or Mahmoud Abbas, who glorifies and names streets and schools after Jew-murdering Islamic terrorists to this very day, who funded the Munich Olympic Massacre that slaughtered Israeli athletes on this very day back in 1972.

Since you clearly support the Palestinian cause of ending the occupation without a peace treaty, I have a simple question for you. Do you, like other posters in this thread, and like the Muslim world more generally, support the Palestinian effort to destroy Israel and kick out 6 million Jews? Half of whom are the descendants of Arab Jews kicked out by Muslims between 1948-53? Do you support expelling all these Jews? Its a very simple question, let's see if you can handle it.







Debunking PHR-Israel's Lies, Exposing Their Support For Palestinian Effort to Destroy Israel and Expel Its Jews

As detailed below, PHR- does not possess any of this information, and the NGO is unqualified to issue its conclusions. In addition, the report does not address central issues such as the types of weapons and fighting methods used by both sides, the obstacles of asymmetric warfare, and Hamas’ systematic use of the civilian population of Gaza as human shields. Instead, PHR-I’s research contains fundamental methodological flaws; ignores Hamas violations and other evidence that does not comport with its one-sided, political agenda; and relies on a panel of eight “medical experts” (pg. 8), of which at least five have backgrounds in anti-Israel advocacy. All of this belies PHR-I’s claim that “The information and materials would be handled in a credible, objective and independent manner” (pg. 16).

PHR-I also creates a false impression of scientific and investigative rigor, presenting 200+ pages of emotive testimonies and forensic details. However, the testimonies are largely unverifiable and are irrelevant to the allegations concerning Israel; likewise, the forensics relate to the nature of the patients’ wounds, not to the main claims of Israeli wrongdoing featured in the press release and report.

Funding

PHR-I is funded by the European Commission, Sweden (via Diakonia), Germany (via Medico International and EED), the Netherlands, and Switzerland (via HEKS-EPER). In 2008-2013, the New Israel Fund (NIF) authorized grants worth $1,090,553 to PHR-I (2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013).

According to PHR-I, the following individuals and organizations provided support, “financial and otherwise,” for the report: “Marwan Diab and Rafeeq Musallam, ActiveStills/ Anne Paq, American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), Science and Human Rights Program, British Shalom-Salaam Trust (UK), Christian Aid (UK), Comboni Sisters, HEKS-EPER, (Switzerland), Manos Unidas (Spain), Medact (UK), Medico International (Germany), Dignity Institute (Denmark), Inge Genefke and Bent Sørensen Anti Torture Support Foundation (Denmark), IRCT (Denmark), Open Society Foundations” (pg. 3).

Panel of “independent medical experts”

In order to conduct this study, PHR-I “recruited 8 independent international medical experts, unaffiliated with Israeli or Palestinian parties involved in the conflict” (p.8). However, many of the fact-finding members are political activists with histories of biased anti-Israel remarks. The inclusion of individuals with this background is in violation of legal and ethical fact-finding standards, such as those outlined in the Lund-London guidelines:

Alicia Vacas – Published a letter in support of Kairos Palestine, a document written by Palestinian-Christian activists that calls for BDS and denies the Jewish historical connection to Israel. In an article she published following her visit to Gaza, she refused to call the conflict a war, but rather a “massacre” and referred to Israel’s “devilishly sophisticated and flourishing industry of death.”
Laurel Baldwin-Ragaven – In an article published in The Lancet medical journal (August 30, 2014), Baldwin and others compared Israel to an apartheid state and called “on South Africa to expel the Israeli ambassador during this current conflict.”
Jennifer Leaning – Steering Group member of the highly politicized Lancet Palestine Health Alliance. In 2009, she co-authored a piece in The Lancet, showing a photo of a damaged building described as the Al-Quds Hospital in Gaza. In fact, the picture was off an adjacent building. (The article has been removed.)
Önder Özkalipci – Coordinator and co-editor of the UN Istanbul Protocol, which alleged that Israel’s actions concerning the Mavi Marmara (2010) constituted torture. Since 2013, he is a freelance consultant to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights and PHR-I.
Louis Reynolds – “Founding member and chair of People’s Heath Movement, South Africa” (pg. 19). People’s Heath Movement, South Africa participated in an August 2014 protest “calling for a Free Palestine.” On August 15, the international umbrella of People’s Heath Movement published a statement, “strongly condemn[ing] the brutal armed attack by the Israeli occupation military forces on Gaza Strip....these attacks have to be seen in the context of the decades‐long occupation and ethnic cleansing of the territory of historic Palestine....We therefore express full solidarity with the Palestinian people, who have resisted an illegal regime of occupation and apartheid for over 60 years. We condemn the war crimes committed by Israeli forces, which must be held accountable for the sake of universal justice.”
PHR-I’s one-sided, political agenda

From the outset, the “principal mandate” of the fact-finding was expressly one-sided and selective – “to investigate the health and human rights impact of events in the Gaza Strip” (pg. 25). As such, PHR-I focused almost entirely on “allegations against Israeli strategy and tactics used in its attack on Gaza” (pg. 15), claiming that it “had no access to evidence regarding the conduct of Palestinian armed combatants within Gaza… beyond what its members were told by interviewees” (pg. 26).

A repeated theme in describing the purpose of the mission was “collecting evidence” and “documentation of evidence” – of Israeli guilt as reflected in the one-sided mandate. In fact, PHR-I “believes that the prima facie evidence it has collected and presented in this Report should be used for the purposes of legal determination of violations of international human rights and humanitarian law, whether through local or international justice mechanisms” (pg. 101). This should be seen in the context of the politicized campaigns surrounding the UN Human Rights Council “investigation” by William Schabas, as well as Palestinian Authority efforts focused on the International Criminal Court. PHR-I’s advocacy for international prosecutions of Israeli officials is in direct violation of NIF’s policy against “attempts to prosecute Israeli officials in foreign courts as an inherent principle of our dedication to Israeli democracy.”

Further highlighting the political, as opposed to legal and human rights, motivation, PHR-I official Hadas Ziv stated, “The discourse surrounding Gaza is often times limited to the question of whether there were war crimes — but as far as I’m concerned, that’s not the issue. The more important question is why do we take for granted that such things happen every two years. The report’s conclusion, in my opinion, is that you don’t need to fix this or that about the army’s actions, but that we need to prevent the next war” (emphasis added).

Evidence ignored

Reading PHR-I’s press release and summary, one would not know that Hamas hid its leadership in hospitals; stored weapons in medical buildings, schools, mosques, and private homes; used ambulances to transport combatants and weapons; conducted military operations from within civilian areas, including medical facilities, placing them in extreme danger; and stole humanitarian aid.

A careful reading of the report shows that, in fact, PHR-I had ample evidence of Hamas’ systematic exploitation of medical facilities to illegally shield combatants from Israeli counterattacks. However, this dimension, which does not comport with PHR-I’s political agenda, was not emphasized in the analysis and is missing from the summary, conclusions, and recommendations.

During one of the interviews in Shifa Hospital in Gaza, the interviewer recorded, in passing, that “this statement [was made] when a Qassam rocket took off nearby” (pp. 134-137). In other words, PHR-I was aware of, and mission members had personally witnessed, the illegal use of hospitals by Palestinian combatants to shield themselves from counterstrikes.
An official from the World Health Organization indicated similar circumstances near another hospital in Gaza: “Al Wafa Hospital was the only rehabilitation hospital in Gaza. In the course of this war, according to Mr. Daher [head of the WHO sub-office in Gaza], he believed there was an actual rocket launching site in the vicinity, but it was more than 200 meters away from the hospital” (pg. 50). (See this video for more evidence of Palestinian combatants fighting from within the facility, having built a tunnel entrance near it, as well as phone calls from the IDF confirming that it had been abandoned before striking it. None of these details appears in the PHR-I report.)
PHR-I did not consider alternative explanations for casualties such as misfired Hamas rockets, “work accidents,” secondary explosions, and Hamas summary executions. Additionally, Gaza residents who protested the war were executed, as were at least 26 Palestinians accused of “collaborating” with Israel; a number of Palestinians were killed and wounded by Hamas while waiting for food at a distribution center.
PHR-I accuses Israel of using an “indiscriminate device” in residential areas, “the barrel of a Tzefa Shirion, an Israeli mine-clearing system whose barrel is launched from a vehicle ahead of the advancing troops and contains a line (‘python’) of explosives” (pp. 35-36). Israel’s deployment of mine-clearing weapons in Gaza neighborhoods is itself evidence that Hamas had booby-trapped houses and streets, once again exploiting urban areas and turning them into legitimate targets.
“During one visit of the first FFM team to Shifa Hospital, they were introduced to a senior Hamas official who was hospitalised alone in a room in a unit that was intended for more patients.” (pg. 57, fn 112)
In a section alleging that “There was a sense of ‘no safe place’ [for people in Gaza] since many of those killed died either in their own homes or while fleeing them,” PHR-I refers to “Two patients were injured on a motorbike while one of them was transporting weapons” (pg. 38). This example and the interviews with the patients (pp. 114-117) actually undermine PHR-I’s claims of indiscriminate attacks and “flouting norms” of medical care. Interview J2 with the driver of the motorbike claims “that he was targeted intentionally, because the Israeli army suspects anybody riding a motorcycle and often hits them, thinking that they are going to launch rockets” (pg. 116). Yet, Interview J11 describes the passenger as “an officer for Hamas and that morning was carrying some weapons in his backpack” (pg. 114, emphasis added). Both patients were also transferred to Jordanian hospitals after Israel gave them passage through the Erez Crossing, which one of the interviewees describes as “fast and smooth” (pg. 116). (PHR-I appears to be bizarrely claiming that Israel made “no safe place” for Hamas to transport its weapons.)
Although PHR-I relied extensively on allegations and supposed evidence provided by Hamas authorities in Gaza, it expressed doubt specifically about Hamas statistics that made the case against Israel less compelling: “It is difficult to estimate the exact number of severely injured among the approximately 11,000 injured survivors of the conflict. According to Dr. Muhammad Al Kashef, General Director of International Cooperation in the Department for the Ministry of Health in Gaza, about 3,000 of the most seriously injured were formally hospitalised and required some form of surgical intervention….The FFM teams were also not able to ascertain whether these numbers, which seem relatively low, were attributable to the limited capacity of the hospitals or to the actual number of severe injuries requiring surgical intervention.” (pg. 32) It is also telling that PHR-I’s skepticism was that the percentage of serious injuries was low, not that the overall number of injuries, provided by Hamas, was high.
Methodological Flaws

There are numerous methodological flaws and inherent limitations concerning the research (see pp 25-26), which cast doubt on PHR-I’s ability to draw accurate and independent conclusions.

Flaws in the “forensic” evidence

PHR-I claims to have included “four [individuals] with special expertise in the fields of forensic medicine and pathology” (pg. 8) on its panel. This was essential for creating a rhetorical façade of scientific rigor and valuable evidence.

However, a careful reading of the report demonstrates that the forensic value of the evidence therein is extremely limited.

In addition to the problems detailed below, it is important to note that PHR-I did not conduct ballistic tests on the weapons fragments and shrapnel discussed in the report (to the extent that any such evidence existed; certainly none was preserved through an acceptable chain of custody). Moreover, “Because of a lack of military expertise, the FFM was not in a position to provide a comprehensive analysis of the types of weapons used by Israeli forces” (pg. 26). It is, therefore, impossible to conclusively attribute the wounds to Israeli strikes, as opposed to deliberate or accidental attacks by Hamas against civilians in Gaza.

There was also a hint within the report of evidence tampering and manipulation – “One other allegation regarding use of flechettes was made at Khuza’a, where the second FFM team were shown flechette darts by Dr. Kamal Qdeih, a local private doctor, in his clinic. However, these were not embedded in walls but lying on the floor” (pg. 55). As noted above, this central issue was not fleshed out or researched further, nor was it reflected in the analysis and conclusions.

Interviews are not forensic evidence

The publication is replete with interviews with “survivors” and “victims” of Israeli attacks, and PHR-I uses them as “evidence” pertaining to questions of international law, including whether the strikes were “indiscriminate” and “disproportionate.”

The accounts are entirely subjective, emotive, and anecdotal. Frequently, there are claims to have identified the type of Israeli plane and/or weapon used in an attack, but in a manner that is physically unlikely if not impossible. Nonetheless, PHR-I repeats them.
“Most of the interviews were held in Arabic with the assistance of an interpreter if the interviewer was not an Arabic-speaker” (pg. 23). The identity of this interpreter (or interpreters) is not provided; as such, any connections to Hamas or other conflicts of interest cannot be determined.
It is unknown how many of the interviewees are members of Hamas or other terror groups, or were intimidated or otherwise approached by Hamas before meeting with PHR-I.
In some instances, the interviews were conducted with relatives or acquaintances of the wounded individual, further removed from an objective account of the incident in question.
“Fieldworkers of PHR-Israel, Al Mezan, PCHR, GCMHP…accompanied the FFM teams to interviews” (p.20). As noted below, these are highly politicized, anti-Israel groups, and they lack credibility; their effect on the accuracy of the interviews is unknown.
Hamas provided some, if not all, the “evidence”

The overall dependency on information from Hamas undermines the independence of the investigation and any forensic claims made in the report.

PHR-I was “granted access to relevant evidence by officials of the [Hamas] Ministry of Health, but encountered difficulties and some lack of transparency regarding the necessary procedures for access to forensic pathology materials, specifically tissue samples and X-rays, which fall under the responsibility of the Ministry of Justice.” (pg. 26)
There is ambiguity as to whether the photographs to PHR-I for use in the report were obtained from the “Shifa Hospital Forensics Department photo archive” (pg. 30) or government forensic department (“Gaza’s Forensics Department photo archive,” pg. 225). Regardless, “Authority for access to photographs, X-rays and tissue samples resides with the Ministry of Justice” (pg. 24).
All files and photographs pertaining to fatalities were provided by Hamas government officials.
It is unknown whether the physicians interviewed in the hospitals were affiliated with and/or intimidated by Hamas.
As mentioned above, it is unknown how many of the interviewees are members of Hamas or other terror groups, or were intimidated or otherwise approached by Hamas before meeting with PHR-I.
“Regarding tissue samples, a Ministry of Health official at Shifa Hospital...described the collection as haphazard and often unlinked to a particular patient....He showed the first FFM team tissue samples, some of which he said had been collected during the current armed conflict, which he said are kept in formalin (for tissue samples) or in acetone (for other material samples). The team observed that the sample containers with acetone were not sealed properly.” (pg. 24, emphasis added)
Photographs, not autopsies

All the claims about fatalities, including cause of death and the nature of the wounds, are based on “medical files” and “photographic materials from the morgue of Gaza’s main hospital, Shifa Hospital, in Gaza City.” Pointedly, “the forensic experts did not perform autopsies.” Nor were autopsies performed at the time of death, “due to religious and traditional customs prohibiting the practice” (pg. 23).
The report acknowledged “limitations of evaluating the injuries,” but deemed the photographs “authentic” (pg. 30). The basis for this estimation is not provided.
Repetition of unverifiable allegations

As noted above, PHR-I dismissed Israeli claims concerning the circumstances of civilian casualties and other mitigating factors because the investigators:

“did not have access to UNRWA facilities...They could therefore investigate neither the public health impact of displacement in these facilities, nor the allegations made by the Israeli government regarding the abuse of such facilities for military purposes – an allegation used to justify several attacks on such facilities.” (p.26)
“also had no access to evidence regarding the conduct of Palestinian armed combatants within Gaza, and the teams were not able to examine official Israeli allegations regarding misuse of civilian or medical facilities for military purposes...” (p.26)
In sharp contrast, unverified and unverifiable accusations by Palestinian representatives are quoted extensively throughout the report. Even when claims could not be verified or members of Hamas were present during the interview, PHR-I repeats inflammatory and provocative allegations despite the absence of any evidence or corroboration. This is a blatant violation of professional fact-finding standards.

“Irregular weapons”

For example, the authors of the report admit that they were unable to verify claims by Palestinian doctors regarding the use of “irregular weapons” and other “phenomena they saw as strange or inexplicable.” Although “none of the tissue samples taken in the possession of the forensic experts of the Ministry of Justice of Gaza were taken out of Gaza for further toxicological, biological or chemical examinations to confirm or refute these allegations” (pp. 53-55), nonetheless, PHR-I repeated the accusations “verbatim as described to the team” (p.54):

“A suspicion of the use of Dense Inert Metal Explosives (DIME)” – DIME are an experimental group of tungsten-based munitions, intended for “low collateral” damage blasts. There is unproven speculation that they are “highly carcinogenic and harmful to the environment.” Conspiracy theorists (such as Dr. Mads Gilbert) and other partisan sources have speculated that Israel has used them in Lebanon and Gaza, although it has never been established that Israeli even possesses DIME weaponry or that any military has ever used them. Rather, the speculation about DIME is an attempt to demonize Israel.
Allegations that “‘Computer chips’ with Sony markings embedded as shrapnel in people’s bodies.” In addition, “the team was shown remains of explosives with the Motorola logo embossed in them. It is unclear what these remains are and which patients they were associated with, and the team could not ascertain their source.” (pg. 55)
Allegations of “the possibility of a gas of unknown type being used,” “a sewage-like smell,” and “smelly smoke.”
Some of these claims border on conspiracy theories. It is shocking that supposed scientific experts would deem them credible enough to be repeated. Furthermore, including permitted weapons such as white phosphorous (which was not deployed), flechettes, and tear gas in a section on “irregular weapons” is a fundamental distortion and appears designed to mislead.

Reliance on anti-Israel political advocacy NGOs

In addition to Hamas officials, Gaza-based political advocacy NGOs played a central role in facilitating “access and meetings.”

“Access and meetings were facilitated by PHR-Israel in partnership with local Palestinian non-governmental organisations: Al Mezan, Gaza Community Mental Health Programme (GCMHP), and Palestinian Center for Human Rights (PCHR)” (p.8). These groups are all involved in delegitimization campaigns against Israel, including the lawfare attacks recommended by PHR-I, and lack medical expertise.
Reliance on these groups is further evidence of the lack of independence and objectivity of the investigators.
PHR-I was forced to rely on the Hamas government forensics department, which “is under the authority of the Ministry of Justice, and has been active in the last three or four wars. Authority for access to photographs, X-rays and tissue samples resides with the Ministry of Justice” (p.24).
Distorted legal claims

Despite drawing legal conclusions and providing interpretations of international law in its publications, PHR-I does not possess expertise in these issues.

One example is PHR-I’s accusation that Israel failed to provide “precautions to protect civilians, including the absence of effective warnings.” PHR-I even cited to the discredited Goldstone Report in an attempt to bolster its allegations that Israel’s warnings were insufficient, if not themselves violations of international law.

The fact that in some cases warnings were not 100% effective does not indicate any violation of law; there is no requirement under international law to provide 100% effective warnings. In fact, under IHL, Israel is only required to give general warnings to the extent they are feasible and only when doing so would not hamper Israel’s chance of success in military operations or compromise the element of surprise. Nevertheless, Israel’s warning procedure far exceeds the legal requirements and is more extensive than that of any other army. In many instances, Hamas directed the civilian population to disregard warnings and even directed people to return to targeted sites as human shields.
 
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Israeli Troops Ordered to Kill Civilians on Sight During Gaza Invasion

Israel has repeatedly denied reports of deliberate targeting of civilians during its wars in the Gaza Strip, those claims were once again proven false today with the release of a new report by Israeli veterans NGO Breaking the Silence.

The report features testimony from more than 60 Israeli soldiers who confirmed that not only did they deliberately target civilians during the most recent invasion, but that they were explicitly ordered to do so.

“Whoever you see there, you kill,” is how one soldier summed up the orders. He said soldiers were told the civilians “knew they’re not supposed to be there” and therefore they were to kill anyone who wasn’t an Israeli soldier on sight.

http://news.antiwar.com/2015/05/04/...kill-civilians-on-sight-during-gaza-invasion/

Testimony from 60 soldiers! No matter how much the Israel trolls try to lie about it, doesn't make it true. Israel likes to kill civilians.
 
Israeli Troops Ordered to Kill Civilians on Sight During Gaza Invasion



http://news.antiwar.com/2015/05/04/...kill-civilians-on-sight-during-gaza-invasion/

Testimony from 60 soldiers! No matter how much the Israel trolls try to lie about it, doesn't make it true. Israel likes to kill civilians.

This is two straight NGO reports you're producing that condemn the targeting of a civilian area while totally failing to mention that Hamas was attacking from that exact location. That's called propaganda and lies.

I've already discredited your first NGO, PHR-Israel, explaining how they ignore all Palestinian attacks, including Palestinian rocket fire (Iranian rockets) from the very civilian areas that their reports complain are being attacked. Now you change the subject to ANOTHER foreign-funded NGO whose sole purpose is to demonize Israel and ignore everything Palestinians do. Breaking the Silence relies on anonymous sources, ignores all Palestinian attacks, and complains that civilian areas are targeted while ignoring Hamas attacks from those exact areas. Its called propaganda, and you're a gullible fool for believing it. Israel is the one country in the entire Middle East where ppl can say what they want without being prosecuted by the government, and you rely on only anonymous quotes from soldiers? You honestly believe the crap that BTS puts out? The "testimony" you do provide above (obviously from an unnamed soldier) blatantly says "We told them not to come to this area," but BTS of course doesn't explain that at all, they don't explain that the IDF tells ppl to LEAVE areas that Hamas is attacking from, while Hamas tells them to stay there and die for martyrdom and the very propaganda that you swallow and regurgitate. Its amazing how all you "skeptical" conspiracy theorists can swallow propaganda from ANONYMOUS SOURCES.

So again you present crappy, meaningless "testimony" that's completely unverifiable, from a foreign-funded organization whose sole purpose is to demonize Israel and no other country (including Palestine, which promises genocide). And of course, you refuse to answer one basic, simple yes-or-no question: Do you think Israel's six million Jews should be expelled? Just answer this simple question. Remember, half of them are Arab Jews whose ancestors were kicked out of Muslim countries between 1948-53, do you support kicking them out AGAIN? Some ppl here on RPF are at least honest in their view that Jews should be kicked out of Israel, let's hear your position on Palestine's goals.

http://mosaicmagazine.com/observati...ilence-report-isnt-journalism-its-propaganda/
http://www.thetower.org/1999-watchdog-breaking-the-silence-was-paid-to-incriminate-idf/
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Breaking-what-silence
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.659781

Its amazing how many ppl jump on the Palestinian human shield bandwagon, even on RPF. They blatantly tell their childrn to get themselves killed, they're open and honest about it, they blatantly try to kill all Jews, they're open and honest about it, they blatantly fire from civilian areas for the stated purpose of getting their own ppl killed and then you have foreign NGO's pretending to give a damn about human rights, vilifying the IDF, while ignoring the human shields, ignoring ALL Palestinian aggression altogether, and ignoring all Israeli warnings of future attacks to avoid the very human shields that Palestine openly uses. This is two straight NGO reports you're producing that condemn the targeting of a civilian area while totally failing to mention that Hamas was attacking from that exact location. That's called propaganda and lies.
 
This is two straight NGO reports you're producing that condemn the targeting of a civilian area while totally failing to mention that Hamas was attacking from that exact location. That's called propaganda and lies.

I've already discredited your first NGO, PHR-Israel, explaining how they ignore all Palestinian attacks, including Palestinian rocket fire (Iranian rockets) from the very civilian areas that their reports complain are being attacked. Now you change the subject to ANOTHER foreign-funded NGO whose sole purpose is to demonize Israel and ignore everything Palestinians do. Breaking the Silence relies on anonymous sources, ignores all Palestinian attacks, and complains that civilian areas are targeted while ignoring Hamas attacks from those exact areas. Its called propaganda, and you're a gullible fool for believing it. Israel is the one country in the entire Middle East where ppl can say what they want without being prosecuted by the government, and you rely on only anonymous quotes from soldiers? You honestly believe the crap that BTS puts out? The "testimony" you do provide above (obviously from an unnamed soldier) blatantly says "We told them not to come to this area," but BTS of course doesn't explain that at all, they don't explain that the IDF tells ppl to LEAVE areas that Hamas is attacking from, while Hamas tells them to stay there and die for martyrdom and the very propaganda that you swallow and regurgitate. Its amazing how all you "skeptical" conspiracy theorists can swallow propaganda from ANONYMOUS SOURCES.

So again you present crappy, meaningless "testimony" that's completely unverifiable, from a foreign-funded organization whose sole purpose is to demonize Israel and no other country (including Palestine, which promises genocide). And of course, you refuse to answer one basic, simple yes-or-no question: Do you think Israel's six million Jews should be expelled? Just answer this simple question. Remember, half of them are Arab Jews whose ancestors were kicked out of Muslim countries between 1948-53, do you support kicking them out AGAIN? Some ppl here on RPF are at least honest in their view that Jews should be kicked out of Israel, let's hear your position on Palestine's goals.

http://mosaicmagazine.com/observati...ilence-report-isnt-journalism-its-propaganda/
http://www.thetower.org/1999-watchdog-breaking-the-silence-was-paid-to-incriminate-idf/
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/Breaking-what-silence
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.659781

Its amazing how many ppl jump on the Palestinian human shield bandwagon, even on RPF. They blatantly tell their childrn to get themselves killed, they're open and honest about it, they blatantly try to kill all Jews, they're open and honest about it, they blatantly fire from civilian areas for the stated purpose of getting their own ppl killed and then you have foreign NGO's pretending to give a damn about human rights, vilifying the IDF, while ignoring the human shields, ignoring ALL Palestinian aggression altogether, and ignoring all Israeli warnings of future attacks to avoid the very human shields that Palestine openly uses. This is two straight NGO reports you're producing that condemn the targeting of a civilian area while totally failing to mention that Hamas was attacking from that exact location. That's called propaganda and lies.

Yadda, yadda, yadda, more crybaby trolling from the the Israeli troll. You say all this stuff about propaganda then all of your links are directly from Israeli propaganda outlets. Israel likes to kill children then say the word "Hamas" to make it seem like its okay and of course here you are doing the same thing. Regurgitating propaganda like a good dog.
 
Yadda, yadda, yadda, more crybaby trolling from the the Israeli troll. You say all this stuff about propaganda then all of your links are directly from Israeli propaganda outlets. Israel likes to kill children then say the word "Hamas" to make it seem like its okay and of course here you are doing the same thing. Regurgitating propaganda like a good dog.

No, the sources I just posted are private organizations who regularly criticize the Israeli government, not "propaganda." Funny how you take the one country in the Middle East with free speech, and call everyone there a government agent and every news organization "propaganda." But, the "independent" "non-governmental" organizations whose reports you keep posting? Breaking the Silence, and PHR-Israel? They're funded by European governments to specifically reach negative conclusions about Israeli military tactics, and to specifically ignore Hamas firing Iranian rockets from civilian areas. Your sources are propaganda. Hamas HQ is literally in the Gaza City main hospital (built by Israel), where they hold their meetings and press conferences (and thus all journalists know this, and its where they take journalists to interrogate them), and they launch missiles from right outside of it. Your "independent" "NGO" complains when Israel destroys rocket launchers right outside the hospital, ignoring the part about the Iranian rocket launchers.

Breaking the Silence (which uses anonymous sources) and PHR-Israel get funding from the governments of Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, Denmark, Ireland, Belgium, France, Germany and Spain. These organizations explicitly take political positions and explicitly say they're looking for Israeli war crimes and human rights violations only, and ignore all Palestinian violence whatsoever, complaining that Israel is doing horrible things while completely ignoring the thousands of Iranian rockets Palestinians were firing into Israel during the 2014 Gaza War, and Iranian rocket attacks only stopped because Israel stopped them.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/physicians_for_human_rights_israel_
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/breaking_the_silence_shovirm_shtika_

Now answer the question: Do you think Israel's 6 million Jews should be kicked out? I've asked you this repeatedly, and for some reason you just don't want to answer it. Around half or more than half of them are from Muslim countries that kicked their families out. You think they should be kicked out by Muslims again?
 
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Israel doesn't have free speech but nice try. Antiwar.com isn't funded by "European" organizations but nice try at spinning and even if it were, it would be more "free" than Israel's state run propaganda which you continually try to peddle.

Broadcasting journalists say new Israeli law violates free speech

The Israeli parliament has passed a law banning journalists working for the country’s public broadcast authority from expressing their opinions on air.

Journalists immediately accused the government of trying to stifle dissent.

Israel’s press council urged parliament to cancel the law, which was passed by the Knesset early Thursday in the middle of the night, saying it violates free speech.

According to the law, journalists must “avoid one-sidedness, prejudice, expressing personal opinions, giving grades and affixing labels.”

Cabinet minister Ofir Akunis said the law only applies to newscasts. He believes some journalists who are critical of the government “aren’t being professional and are doing it for political reasons.”

Israel Radio diplomatic correspondent Chico Menashe, quoted by the Times of Israel, called the clause “shameful” and said he “hoped the prime minister would see the clause and work to change it.”

Broadcaster Esty Perez of Israel Radio wrote in a series of tweets: “A democratic state that prohibits in law that journalists for the public broadcaster express opinions exhibits the weakness and panic that characterises weak dictatorships... Handcuff me. I expressed an opinion.”

http://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...ists-say-new-israeli-law-violates-free-speech
 
No, the sources I just posted are private organizations who regularly criticize the Israeli government, not "propaganda." Funny how you take the one country in the Middle East with free speech, and call everyone there a government agent and every news organization "propaganda." But, the "independent" "non-governmental" organizations whose reports you keep posting? Breaking the Silence, and PHR-Israel? They're funded by European governments to specifically reach negative conclusions about Israeli military tactics, and to specifically ignore Hamas firing Iranian rockets from civilian areas. Your sources are propaganda. Hamas HQ is literally in the Gaza City main hospital (built by Israel), where they hold their meetings and press conferences (and thus all journalists know this, and its where they take journalists to interrogate them), and they launch missiles from right outside of it. Your "independent" "NGO" complains when Israel destroys rocket launchers right outside the hospital, ignoring the part about the Iranian rocket launchers.

Breaking the Silence (which uses anonymous sources) and PHR-Israel get funding from the governments of Sweden, Switzerland, Holland, Denmark, Ireland, Belgium, France, Germany and Spain. These organizations explicitly take political positions and explicitly say they're looking for Israeli war crimes and human rights violations only, and ignore all Palestinian violence whatsoever, complaining that Israel is doing horrible things while completely ignoring the thousands of Iranian rockets Palestinians were firing into Israel during the 2014 Gaza War, and Iranian rocket attacks only stopped because Israel stopped them.

http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/physicians_for_human_rights_israel_
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/breaking_the_silence_shovirm_shtika_

Now answer the question: Do you think Israel's 6 million Jews should be kicked out? I've asked you this repeatedly, and for some reason you just don't want to answer it. Around half or more than half of them are from Muslim countries that kicked their families out. You think they should be kicked out by Muslims again?


Your sources are propaganda

Yet your sources mainly come from the Israeli Pro RightWingers supporters of your beloved Bibi.
 
Future of racial zionism, occupation of palestinians and its enforces looks bleak ever since aftermath of Iraqi freedom invasion following WTC1/2/7, election of son of a muslim man to the White House. Israel is getting very close to being all alone especially after last Gaza war.



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Is there any chance that Israeli occupation of Palestinians will survive another decade?
 
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