Hamas attacks Israel

Firestarter said:
Maybe I shouldn't write this without evidence...
I think it's more probable that Israel knew, either participating in organising "the attack", and the media stories, or letting it happen on purpose (Bibi is heavily criticised in Israel for taking control of the legal system).

Of course war in itself could be THE motive.

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In the Kingdom of the Netherlands, caretaker PM Mark Rutte has been defending that the Israeli flag has been hoisted on Dutch government buildings.

Rutte responding angrily to reporters, who asked why the Israeli flag has been raised but not the Palestinian, that hundreds of Israelis were killed by terrorists, so it is not allowed to talk about anything else.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/10/israeli-flag-hoisted-on-dutch-government-buildings/
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Yes that is always a possibility as well. I doubt it, but you never know.
 
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Occam's Banana said:
https://twitter.com/JoshuaAtLarge/status/1711472016031670370
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Dead babies is always an effective war propaganda tool. It’s in big use today, as the claim is that all of the babies had their heads cut off in one kibbutz. Is it true? We may never know.

As they tell the story on Fox, it gets worse with every telling. Just now, it was 40 beheaded babies. The women on Outnumbered are losing it. It doesn’t look like they have a male on today.

At least 40 babies, some beheaded, found by Israel soldiers in Hamas-attacked village

Israel’s military has discovered unspeakable horrors in an Israeli community that was attacked by Hamas on Saturday, including dozens of dead babies, some with of their heads chopped off, Israeli media reported.

According to local Israeli outlet i24News, Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers moved into Kfar Aza, the one of the communities Hamas terrorists invaded early Saturday morning, and discovered about 40 dead babies, some decapitated — highlighting the brutality of the invading forces.
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WarriorLiberty said:
Attacking the oldest orthodox Christian Church in the Middle East doesn't make them a Christian ally.

Things will get worse if it is destroyed.
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it was not true. The church was not hit. But it still could be.
lots of things we could talk about. just watching al-Jazeera live while we can.
Israel said they would go after Hamas in Qatar.
 
Occam's Banana said:
In fact, some of it is almost as silly as claiming that "big business" is "America's most persecuted minority".
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I totally disagree. I thought you agreed with me on this. I think our number one problem is government spending. Number 2 is the increasingly popular idea that big business owners don't have rights. Nothing will turn you into a third world country faster, look at venezuela for example.

I watched some Yaron Brook videos and that guy is an idiot. I'm just not going to condemn Ayn Rand for other people's idiocy unless I see some actual evidence. She's a writer and a lecturer. There should be some quotes out there where she's in favor of forcibly supporting Israel.
 
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US Weighs Sending Second Aircraft Carrier As USS Ford Approaches War-Torn Region

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...s-ford-approaches-war-torn-region/ar-AA1hZxTG


NOW - Erdogan accused the United States of planning to "carry out massacres in Gaza" by sending its aircraft carrier to Israel. pic.twitter.com/PphNA4yY7B

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) October 10, 2023

Erdogan is ANGRY: “The US shot down a Turkish drone in Syria

When it is suitable for them, we are NATO allies.

Unfortunately, US is currently training and arming all terrorist groups and turning Syria and the Middle East into a bloodbath”

(like the attack on a Syrian military academy graduation ceremony in Homs last week, killed over 100 with drones, young cadets
with their families)

https://warnews247-gr.translate.goo...=el&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

A major military mobilization is being seen in Syria, Iraq and Lebanon as Hezbollah and Iranian Guard forces gather and take up fighting positions near the Golan Heights.

At the same time, Abu Ala al-Walai, commander of the Iraqi Shiite militia "Kataeb Saiyed al Shohada", arrived in Beirut.

There, according to information, a joint command room of Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iraqi Shiite militias, a "war room", will be created.

We remind you that Hamas has announced a "general mobilization on Friday in the Arab and Islamic world".
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According to some military experts, “ the IRGC and Hezbollah have adopted a wait-and-see approach and further actions will depend on what the United States does in this situation. If the Americans intervene in the conflict on the side of Israel, Palestine will receive their support."

In fact, this was stated by the head of the Iraqi organization Badra, Hadi al-Amiri. According to him, if the US intervenes, all US military bases in the country will be attacked.

"If Washington intervenes in the struggle between the Israeli regime and Palestine, we will hit all American bases," he said to his supporters.

The Houthis of Yemen made the same statement. They are also waiting for Washington's decision and are threatening a new regional war.

The leader of Yemen's Shiite Iran-backed Houthi movement, Abdel Malek al-Houthi, has warned that if the United States intervenes directly in the Gaza war, his organization will respond with missiles, drones and "other military options". , as he said.

"There are red lines when it comes to Gaza ," he said, adding that the Houthis are ready to coordinate their actions with other organizations and intervene.

^ link above has this story also.
 
Scott Ritter: Hamas exploited Israel's dependence on AI

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/08/scott-ritter-israels-massive-intelligence-failure/

Hamas strikes Israeli city of Ashkelon.

https://t.me/inessas1992/4886

The Israeli Air Force has reportedly carried out an airstrike
on the border with Egypt

https://t.me/WW3INFO/24769

Israeli issues a warning to the Egyptian authorities that the Israeli Air Force will conduct airstrikes if aid vehicles enter Gaza from Egypt through the Rafah crossing.

Gaza/Egypt border crossing struck twice by IAF

https://t.me/global_observers/3133

GAZA GROUND INVASION TONIGHT; IDF FIRING ARTILLERY INTO LEBANON NOW

US warships heading to Israel will join the fight in case war erupts on multiple fronts, IDF spokesman says (via );

The Israeli Defense Force stated today that the United States has Advised them that U.S. Naval Vessels and Aircraft from Carrier Strike Group 12 which will soon be in the Eastern Mediterranean are prepared to assist with Combat Operations alongside Israel if a Multifront War against Hezbollah or other Regional Actors occurs.
The Israeli Air Force has been airlifting hundreds of soldiers from vacations and residences overseas, back to Israel, to join the war.

To resolve the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, it is necessary to implement the decisions of the UN Security Council on the creation of an independent sovereign Palestinian state - Putin

Israel is now dropping internationally banned phosphorus munitions in the vicinity of Al Karama Towers in the Gaza Strip.

https://t.me/global_observers/3140
 
I had noticed some on YT Right Wing grifter channels quickly going with the headlines claiming and believing that Israeli soldiers had found dead babies
Reports: Israeli soldiers dead babies after Palestinian Hamas attack
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Remember when the Media claimed a similar situation where they claimed that Saddam killed babies in incubators? turned out that never happened.
 
I stand with Israel and I wish the best for all the non-involved in Gaza. I have some friends in Israel and I have some Jewish friends. I don't really think we need to help them with money and weapons, I'm quite sure they have enough. But I think some sympathy would be appropriate. Similarly I would offer sympathy to the innocents in Gaza who do not have a good time ahead of them.
 
WarriorLiberty said:
I had noticed some on YT Right Wing grifter channels quickly going with the headlines claiming and believing that Israeli soldiers had found dead babies


Remember when the Media claimed a similar situation where they claimed that Saddam killed babies in incubators? turned out that never happened.
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I've seen pictures. After killing a couple hundred people at a festival, would you really have major doubts here?
 
Anti Federalist said:
Both sides are committed to destruction of Western Civilization and genocide of white Europeans.

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I'll be happy to disagree with you my friend, that's what makes life interesting after all.

This is much bigger. Iran is the driving force behind this in my imagination (the Palestinians are easy cannon fodder). Iran and Russia need each other. China is the laughing party in the back. Similarly, North Korea is likely delivering weapons to Russia and South Korea is probably shipping arms to the US, which is shipping weapons to Ukraine (Just not the exact ones SK gave). Then I read this week that Wagner is fighting Ukranian special forces in Sudan. So we have 3 proxy wars going on.

In these wars the supporting parties are either of the BRICS or NATO persuasion. Although Turkey seems to be a bit in the middle here. As may other countries be, but never in history is anything truly straight forward.

But this is the start of WWIII. Tensions are ramping up and sides are being chosen. I truly hope I am wrong and I hope even more nobody touches the nukes. Please laugh at this in 10 years if I am wrong.
 
WarriorLiberty said:
Why they did had a musical festival in a middle of a desert during a crisis? considering all the other safer locations in Israel.

To hold venue outside..
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Israel has had a very disrupting year. The country is fractured (well, was) along political lines.
The military was undersigned, with defections.

I don't believe Netanyahu or anyone else intentionally allowed this. What I believe is that Hamas outsmarted them,
caught them overconfident with their AI systems, and understaffed on Yom Kippur. On the 50th Anniversary of that war,
and on a sabbath day.

SCOTT RITTER: Israel’s Massive Intelligence Failure

The origins of Israel’s intelligence failure on the Hamas attacks can be traced to the decision to rely on AI instead of the contrarian analysis born of the earlier intelligence failure of the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

As the scope and scale of the Hamas surprise attack on Israel becomes clearer, one question emerges more than any other from the detritus of the battlefield: How did such a massive, complex undertaking escape the notice of Israel’s vaunted intelligence service?

An equally important question is why wasn’t this attack detected by the U.S. intelligence community as well, given the massive expenditures made in countering terrorism since the terrorist attacks on the U.S. homeland of September 11, 2001?

The answers lie in the history of success Israel has enjoyed in identifying and responding to Hamas operations in the past, success which manifested itself into a culture of complacency, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Israeli citizens — the very people the intelligence services were dedicated to protect.... (read more)
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/10/08/scott-ritter-israels-massive-intelligence-failure/
 
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