Hallowed Be Thy Name: Ron Paul Tries to Retrieve RonPaul.com

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Hallowed Be Thy Name: Ron Paul Tries to Retrieve RonPaul.com

Now that he’s no longer giving speeches on Capitol Hill, Ron Paul’s main platform for spreading his libertarian message is the Web. He’d like for his command center to be RonPaul.com. But right now, that domain name is owned by a cohort of his supporters, who since 2008 have used the address to post Paul-related news.

There is an existential logic behind Paul’s desire to own his eponymous domain. “Everybody knows that RonPaul.com should be Ron Paul,” the former congressman said when TIME spoke with him recently about life after Congress. “It’s your identity.” Yet the owners, including Tim Martin, who via email identifies the group as several expats living in Panama, aren’t ready to hand it over. That means recovering the address won’t be as simple as Paul’s reasoning.

[discussion of legal framework]

So how will Paul’s case fair? Attorney Ari Goldberger, who won the case against Bloomberg in 2001, says that Paul’s seven books could help the former congressman establish a common law trademark. The fact that the site links to unofficial merchandise suggests the owners have tried to profit off Paul’s name, Goldberger says. Another point for Paul’s case is his allegation that the owners attempted to sell him RonPaul.com for $848,000, and then for $250,000 before the complaint was filed. On the other hand, RonPaul.com’s owners have long displayed a disclaimer saying the “fan site” is not officially associated with Paul, and they’ve produced nearly five years of posts about liberty and Paul’s sundry campaigns, which makes it hard to argue that they were all about the money from the outset.

Martin says that the owners started to make “a little” money off the merchandise starting in 2010 and that the offer to sell the domain name for $848,000 “was apparently made by the former owner.” He emphasizes that their offer to sell the site for $250,000 included a mailing list of 170,000 Paul supporters. And he says they would have handed over the domain name for free if they felt had shown that “he honors and appreciates our hard work and support.”

The arbitrator is currently weighing all these arguments. In the end, Paul knows he may instead have to make do with a domain like DrRonPaul.com. Having the eponymous domain name “would be helpful,” he says. “But I figure if the name’s the whole thing, then my message isn’t strong enough.”


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Sailing, I am literally laughing out loud at your "discussion of legal framework" euphamism. Everybody else should check out the rest of the article. The author take no position as to how this might work out, and gives at least two examples where public figures have failed in their attempts to bully the domain rights away from people who registered them first.
 
I took out what has already been discussed forever, but gave the link. That wasn't the part I was interested in. I left in the part where he said there were points on both sides, which we all already know. If you think I tailored it out of anything but finding the part that interested me, you are mistaken.
 
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just pay the f'ing money. It belongs to who it belongs to. Pay up Ron.
 
just pay the f'ing money. It belongs to who it belongs to. Pay up Ron.
its not owned property, its a lease from an association. the association has rules to the lease. a lease for a phone director that has only one ron paul listed. when you dial ron paul, you don't get a ron paul.
 
I must say I'm disappointed that he insists on getting the domain for nothing ... the owners of the site are responsible for bringing me to "liberty awareness" - they've surely been a help to the movement.
I know Ron wants the site but they've offered him a fair price that, I don't mean to sound cold here, he can more than afford. One month of his book sales could probably pay for it, maybe two months.

If not that than 3 speaking engagements would.

I'm perfectly fine with him making money on his hard work an efforts, its deserved.
But if he wants to buy the domain name than ... well ... buy it.

I'd say the exact same thing if Rick Santorum was having the same "problem" only I'd be much more harsh about it, to be honest.
 
I'd have to agree with the above. The owner of ronpaul.com may not be nice, yet is the owner, and indeed owns something valuable. Paul can afford it, and especially given he agrees it's valuable, should simply overrule the Bentonistas in his group and buy the thing, end of controversy.
 
But Ron's name and persona are also valuable, and he is the one who made them so, and if they continue to be valuable, it will be because of what he does.

But the point is the domain license was given on certain contractual terms, and if the domain registrant violated the terms of the domain contract, he didn't 'own' any rights to do so. That is what the claim will determine. Ron did try to buy it first, but somewhere decided the guy returned his good will above and beyond the law with bad faith, it seems. He may be wrong. I used to have a lot more sympathy with the site owner before he tried to trash Ron everywhere as 'going to the UN' for using a contractually designated arbitration forum, in the registrant's own contract. At this point, I just want it over with. I wish they'd settle, but the claim will decide who is right under the rules of the domain.
 
This is all so silly. The domain name could be TheFreedomMessage.com and it would still get tons of traffic if it had the right speakers and message on it. I honestly don't see what is wrong with the ronpaul.org name they offered him for free. It doesn't have to be .com to be popular.
 
This is all so silly. The domain name could be TheFreedomMessage.com and it would still get tons of traffic if it had the right speakers and message on it. I honestly don't see what is wrong with the ronpaul.org name they offered him for free. It doesn't have to be .com to be popular.

Well it sounds like if he loses he doesn't plan to take it to court, just move on, so it will be what it will be, and over soon one way or the other.
 
This is all so silly. The domain name could be TheFreedomMessage.com and it would still get tons of traffic if it had the right speakers and message on it. I honestly don't see what is wrong with the ronpaul.org name they offered him for free. It doesn't have to be .com to be popular.
I would have taken .org

It is more reputable sounding
 
I would welcome a suit against the DailyPaul.

That site has turned into garbage.

It is pretty clearly a fan site and doesn't even have his picture up any more.

Whatever you don't like about what Michael is doing with his own site now, he filled a gap amazingly for years, out of conviction.
 
In a free society .com wouldn't automatically be worth anything.

We don't live in a free society.

In a free society people like Ron Paul wouldn't feel the need to become a public official for some "supporter" to leech off of. There would be no need.

At the very least this domain owner has no moral high ground claim against Ron's actions against him.
 
just pay the f'ing money. It belongs to who it belongs to. Pay up Ron.

Ron Paul's name, image, and reputation all belong to him, they are part of his personhood. They are his property. These people have essentially taken that and used it for personal profit. Ron owes them nothing for such thievery. That they would date make him pay them for what is his is OUTRAGEOUS. They should get nothing for the site and be thankful he isn't demanding royalties.
 
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