The Union invaded the South. [edit]Was that a yes or a no?
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-American-History/dp/0895260476#reader_0895260476
By Thomas E. Woods.
Click there and then type in the search box minus the quotes "war fought to free slaves?" Click on the 3rd result which should be page 65. Keep reading through page 66 to get Lincoln's view of blacks.
How was every other country able to get rid of slavery without a civil war? More of a propaganda talking point after the war to make the federal government look good?
http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-American-History/dp/0895260476#reader_0895260476
By Thomas E. Woods.
Click there and then type in the search box minus the quotes "war fought to free slaves?" Click on the 3rd result which should be page 65. Keep reading through page 66 to get Lincoln's view of blacks.
How was every other country able to get rid of slavery without a civil war? More of a propaganda talking point after the war to make the federal government look good?
Ft Sumter was a military base well before the civil war. They didn't invade and establish that base after the south seceded. The South drew first blood. Maybe a year or two af negotiation might have been in order for an event that was breaking the union apart. Quite quick to go to war. Seems like we have just had a southern president that was quick to go to war.
Being the first battle of the Civil War, the Battle of Fort Sumter has more to it than just the battle. There was much involved in provoking the battle and it lasted longer than most of the battles of the Civil War.
On December 26, Robert Anderson moved to the incomplete Fort Sumter in the middle of the Charleston Harbor. Anderson's position grew very dangerous when Confederate gun fire stopped his relief ship the "Star of the West" from getting into the harbor.
Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, gave orders to Pierre P.T. Beauregard to take the fort shortly after Lincoln decided to supply it. A few hours before dawn a group of Southerners rowed out to the fort to order its surrender. Anderson refused and at 4:30 a.m. on April 12, 1861 the Confederates began the first battle of the Civil War.
Finally, after thirty-four hours of the fort being bombarded and many buildings being burnt inside the fort, Anderson and his men capitulated and were allowed to leave. There were no casualties until after the fight when a freak explosion killed two Union soldiers during their hundred-gun salute to their lowered flag.
It's funny to see people play the race card with Lincoln and are naive enough to think that actually changes anything. Lincoln actually tried to free the slaves in the border states through compensated emancipation. That's an indisputable, undeniable fact. Was Lincoln racist? Don't know and don't care. I don't know because, like any other politician of his day, he needed to placate white voters, many of who (most of whom?) were racist. I don't care because that doesn't change the fact that he actually tried to end slavery before signing the emancipation proclamation. Like I said. These threads are a waste of time.
Abraham Lincoln started the War Between the States. He's the Bushite Neocon.
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."http://www.amazon.com/Politically-Incorrect-Guide-American-History/dp/0895260476#reader_0895260476
By Thomas E. Woods.
Click there and then type in the search box minus the quotes "war fought to free slaves?" Click on the 3rd result which should be page 65. Keep reading through page 66 to get Lincoln's view of blacks.
How was every other country able to get rid of slavery without a civil war? More of a propaganda talking point after the war to make the federal government look good?
Did he try to free the border state slaves before he invaded the South? Did the Emancipation Proclamation free any slaves in the Union? If Lincoln didn't have the power to free the slaves in his own country where did he get the power to kill 600,000 Americans?
whatever. I'm glad i grew up and quit buying the bull of both sides.
1) The south seceded and attacked Ft Sumpter before Lincoln had a chance to negotiate.
2) Everybody knows the answer to that is no. Not sure why you brought that up. That still doesn't change the fact that he attempted compensated emancipation. Also the emancipation proclamation had the effect of ending the confusion over whether union officers could return escaped slaves.
3) The same place George Washington got the power to put down the Whiskey Rebellion or Andrew Jackson got the power to threaten to hang secessionists when he was president. (If you think Old Hickory was bluffing, ask the Indians.)
Like I said. Threads like these are a waste of time. The "debate" is usually done by one side throwing up new factoids while never actually addressing anything the other side actually said.
in reality I would have headed for the frontier and not had anything to do with either side.
Wish there was place to run to today...
Was Fort Sumter in the South or in the Union?
You brought it up.
Did he attempt to buy the freedom of border state slaves before or after his invasion of the South?
Slavery was still legal in New Jersey, not a border state.
none of the above. i'd find me an indian tribe and an indian wife. you'd never hear from me again, until you came to drive us off our land.
How was every other country able to get rid of slavery without a civil war?
Was John McCain born on U.S. soil?
By definition New Jersey was a border state. (Slave holding state that was still in the union). That said there were 18 slaves in the entire state. New Jersey had passed an act for the gradual abolition of slavery back in 1804 and only 18 slaves were left. And of course this is all besides the point. Lincoln clearly attempted to free the slaves in the border states even though he was under no obligation to do so. That undercuts the fake argument of people like you that Lincoln made no attempt to free the slaves before the emancipation proclamation. Go back and read the reasons the southern legislatures gave for secession. (Hint. Everyone of them mentioned the preservation of slavery).
Lastly, why aren't you out trying to get your fellow confederates to reject the Iran and Afghanistan wars? Really, threads like this are a waste of time.
I would have stood with Lysander Spooner
The only sensible answer. Lock thread.I would have stood with Lysander Spooner