Guns Save Lives - Reports of citizens using guns to stop crime

[jmdrake]

I think if you do nothing you might lose. Maybe not right now, but eventually. Legal gun owners will die off from old age and the indoctrinated younger generations will take over.

Who said anything about doing nothing? Spreading the truth for those who will listen is not doing "nothing." Indoctrination is about bad information. How do you fight bad information? With more good information. Now, just posting HERE is doing nothing. These stories should be shared on other forums and with friends and family and anyone who will listen.

Here's another good one.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ather-guards-Texas-school-in-wake-of-shooting

Even though ^this story doesn't involve an active shooter I believe it fits the spirit of [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]'s thread in that the father is there to PREVENT an active shooting from happening.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Who said anything about doing nothing? Spreading the truth for those who will listen is not doing "nothing." Indoctrination is about bad information. How do you fight bad information? With more good information. Now, just posting HERE is doing nothing. These stories should be shared on other forums and with friends and family and anyone who will listen.

Here's another good one.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ather-guards-Texas-school-in-wake-of-shooting

Even though ^this story doesn't involve an active shooter I believe it fits the spirit of [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]'s thread in that the father is there to PREVENT an active shooting from happening.

Yes it does...add it please.

 

[nobody's_hero]

If you ever wanted to hear the full story of the Sutherland Springs church attacker:



Next time someone says, "but more people with guns will turn into the wild wild west!!!" Remember that two people who didn't even know each other had the good sense to work together to stop a threat. People aren't as reckless as they think when it comes to threat assessment.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes it does...add it please.

https://www.blackenterprise.com/a-t...ementary-school-to-provide-relief-to-parents/

A concerned father in Killeen, Texas, is taking action into his own hands after the devastating massacre at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas. He now is standing guard at the elementary school where his wife works as a nurse and his daughter attends to ensure their last days of the school year can end safely, according to news outlet KBTX.

Ed Chelby was shaken after May 24, 2022, when 18-year-old gunman Salvador Rolando Ramos opened fire, fatally shooting nineteen students and two teachers, according to CNN.

“I can’t let this go,” said Chelby, according to the Independent. “This is just a testament to the sleeplessness caused by the grief I experienced.”

Chelby wrote an email to the Killeen Independent School District Superintendent, Dr. John Craft, requesting permission to stand outside in front of Saegert Elementary School’s main entrance for the last two days, KWTX reports.



“I humbly request to provide security services unarmed. I’ll be just in front of the school. I don’t wish to enter the school but I just want to be there for my kids. I want to be there for my wife, who is also an employee at that school,” Chelby said to KWKT.

“I SAID I WOULD JUST BE OUT THERE UNARMED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I’M WATCHING. LET THE PARENTS HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF,” HE SAID.

Chelby has 11 years of experience in the US Army and a background in security; he is accustomed to remaining alert at a post. Killeen is located about 175 miles northwest of the Uvalde shooting; an investigation of the terrible incident is ongoing, according to the Independent.

Chelby’s volunteer paperwork was filled out, and his background check was being processed, but the school district went ahead and permitted him.

His presence at the school’s campus tempered the fears of other parents.

“I had a lot of emotional people come up to me. They didn’t want to send their kids to school. They struggled with sending their kids to school and I told them, I was like, ‘I got them,'” Chelby told KWTX.

“You don’t know if you should send your kid to school,” Chelby said, according to the Independent. “You want them to get their education and their experience of the last days of school, but you want to protect them with everything you got.”

Another parent joined Chelby, a mother by the name of Constance, told him, “I got your back,” and she assumed the post of guarding the back of the elementary school.

“Him standing in front of the school, that’s reassuring – feeling that we get to go home and see our families this summer,” said parent Samantha Longfeather-Locke.​

 

[Anti Federalist]

From Feb 2019:

Feb. 2: A restaurant owner in Akron, Ohio, scared off a masked man who attempted to rob him with a knife. The man fled, and police believe he successfully robbed a different restaurant just hours later.
Feb. 5: A Nashville, Tennessee, woman was attacked from behind by a would-be purse thief, who proceeded to repeatedly slam the woman’s head into a wall when she resisted him. The woman’s husband heard her cries for help and came to her defense, firing his gun at the thief and causing him to flee.
Feb. 9: When three armed men attempted to rob a Little Caesars restaurant in North Fort Myers, Florida, a patron inside pulled his own firearm to defend other customers. One suspect was shot and the other two fled.
Feb. 12: A homeowner in Jackson County, Georgia, heard someone trying to break into her house through a window. She found a man standing outside and warned him not to come into the house. Nevertheless, the man broke the glass window, so the armed homeowner shot him.
Feb. 13: Sullivan County, Tennessee, Sheriff Jeff Cassidy praised the actions of a concealed carry permit holder who ended a deadly domestic violence incident at a dentist’s office. The armed citizen shot and detained an active shooter who killed his wife and may have planned to harm others in the office.
Feb. 14: An Evans, Georgia, mother shot and killed her boyfriend after he began violently assaulting the woman’s 15-year-old son during an argument.
Feb. 16: Two masked assailants attempted to rob 35-year-old Antonio Santiago in Allentown, Pennsylvania, pepper spraying his face and “pistol whipping” him with a BB gun that appeared to be real. In an act of self-defense, Santiago grabbed his own handgun and fired at his attackers, killing one of them. Two other suspects fled, but were eventually arrested and tied to two other recent crimes in the area.
Feb. 17: An armed good Samaritan in Daytona Beach, Florida, intervened and fired a shot to stop a knife-wielding man, who had already stabbed someone, from stabbing other people outside a convenience store.
Feb. 20: A 79-year-old Commerce, Georgia, homeowner called 911 to report a burglary in progress after she heard someone breaking into her home. The burglar ignored her threats and came in through an upstairs window before police could arrive. The homeowner shot at the burglar, who was so scared that he hid in a closet until the police arrived.
Feb. 24: Three armed men ambushed a Houston, Texas, couple who were walking out of their apartment complex, forcing them back inside to rob them. The boyfriend retrieved his own firearm from within the apartment and exchanged fire with the three men, injuring one of them.
Feb. 26: The Mobile County, Alabama, Sheriff’s Office posted a Facebook video showing an armed local homeowner’s recent encounter with two would-be burglars. The burglars attempted to enter the occupied home in broad daylight, and were only deterred when the homeowner fired her handgun at them.
Feb. 27: A group of teenage thieves entered a pawn shop in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, and tried to flee with two guns they grabbed from behind the counter. Armed store clerks chased the teens and held them at gunpoint until the police could arrive, preventing the future unlawful use of those stolen firearms. Police believe these teens are responsible for other gun thefts and may be able to take other illegally possessed guns off the streets as a result of these clerks’ actions.
Feb. 28: Two men helped rescue a woman from a would-be kidnapper in Natchitoches Parish, Louisiana, after seeing her struggle to escape on the side of the road. After the two men stopped their car, one of them pulled out his handgun, prompting the suspect to flee. He was later apprehended and confessed to kidnapping the woman.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

I would have to imagine that some less than honorable people also carry weapons and have used them to disable those even less honorable than themselves. I would think that some people that couldn't legally own a firearm, have carried a firearm and used it for good reason.

 

[jmdrake]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/newthread.php?do=newthread&f=23

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[Anti Federalist]

[MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION]


Armed Citizen Defends Girlfriend, Himself by Shooting Armed Robber

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...nds-girlfriend-himself-shooting-armed-robber/

AWR HAWKINS 20 Jun 2022

An armed citizen defended his girlfriend and himself by shooting an alleged armed robber during an attempted robbery last week in Austin, Texas.

FOX News reports that the robbery suspect, 17-year-old Jaylyn Reed, was “released from juvenile detention on May 27 with an ankle monitor.”

Reed allegedly cut off the ankle monitor, then went on a robbery spree.

Austin PD indicates Reed’s alleged run-in with the armed citizen was caught on surveillance video.

Police noted that the video shows Reed exit a vehicle in which others were sitting, after which he “approached a black male victim and a black female victim.”

Reed then allegedly pulled a gun and robbed the male of a backpack.

Police observed, “Reed moved toward the getaway car while pointing his handgun at the female victim. The male victim pulled out his firearm and fired several shots at Reed and those in the Chevy Malibu in self-defense.”

FOX 7 Austin observed that Reed was shot in the leg when the armed citizen opened fire.

Police later found Reed and three others in the getaway car; all four were subsequently arrested.

 

[pcosmar]

I would have to imagine that some less than honorable people also carry weapons and have used them to disable those even less honorable than themselves. I would think that some people that couldn't legally own a firearm, have carried a firearm and used it for good reason.

I have been both.

Good guy and bad guy..

 

[Anti Federalist]

Also [MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION] this goes along with the report I posted to you about the rapid increases in black gun ownership.

Now, my natural cycnic says to not get overly excited and hopeful about things like this.

But if Philly (a majority black city) can show such a massive jump in people keeping and bearing arms, there may yet be hope.

Because it is the keeping and bearing of arms in the home and on the person, that can fundamentally and forever change the view of an individual in how they regard God and man and state and an individual's relationship with each.

Free People Keep and Bear Arms.

Now, of course, your average Philadelphian does not drive over to Cabela's at King of Prussia to pick up a Glock 19 with all these thoughts in their head.

They just want a fighting chance against some gang banger or tweeker trying carjack the family grocery getter with Sweet Baby James still in the car seat.

But you cannot pick up that weapon, let alone train with it and understand it's operation (which everybody should do of course) and not start to think about what that weapon represents and the enormous responsibility that was always there, but was being ignored by an individual or suppressed by corrupt government, to protect you, your family, your home, your community and your country.

Once those scales fall off someone's eyes, they quite literally see the whole world in a new and completely different light.

The Red Pill/They Live effect, in real life.



Philadelphia: Fatal Self-Defense Shootings Soar as Concealed Carry Applications Rise

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amend...des-rise-philadelphia-concealed-carry-surges/

AWR HAWKINS 20 Jun 2022

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that justifiable homicides are rising in Philadelphia as concealed carries surge in the city.

The Inquirer lists three recent incidents in which individuals legally carrying concealed firearms shot and killed their assailants.

The paper then noted, “These sorts of deadly clashes in which the intended victims survive and assailants die are rare in Philadelphia, but are becoming more common as a growing number of people have legally armed themselves amid rising numbers of carjackings, shootings and homicides.”

The Inquirer observes that “justified homicides jumped 67 percent from 2020 to 2021.” And 2022 is on pace to surpass the number of justifiable homicides witnessed last year.

Philadelphia’s deputy police commissioner Benjamin Naish said, “We have seen an increase in the number of people that have been applying for and receiving a permit to carry. I think that they are concerned about their safety, and they’re carrying it legally, which is the big difference.”

On June 18, 2022, Breitbart News highlighted a CBS Philly report showing the highest annual number of concealed carry permit applications the city received between 2017 and 2020 was 11,814.

In 2021, the number of concealed carry permits skyrocketed to 70,790.

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah. That's good to hear. I've been think about this a lot lately, and not just in the U.S. Recently when you were talking about refugees from Africa coming in through Mexico, I looked up what's going on in the home continent. June 5 there was a massacre at a Catholic church in Nigeria where 50 black Christian worshipers were murdered. Probably Islamic extremists. I get it. Kind a. Turn the other cheek and "sheep like lambs to slaughter" and all. And I can't talk cause I don't currently own a firearm. Seriously thinking about it. Not sure if I need to start off with a handgun, rifle, shotgun or what.

Also [MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION] this goes along with the report I posted to you about the rapid increases in black gun ownership.

Now, my natural cycnic says to not get overly excited and hopeful about things like this.

But if Philly (a majority black city) can show such a massive jump in people keeping and bearing arms, there may yet be hope.

Because it is the keeping and bearing of arms in the home and on the person, that can fundamentally and forever change the view of an individual in how they regard God and man and state and an individual's relationship with each.

Free People Keep and Bear Arms.

Now, of course, your average Philadelphian does not drive over to Cabela's at King of Prussia to pick up a Glock 19 with all these thoughts in their head.

They just want a fighting chance against some gang banger or tweeker trying carjack the family grocery getter with Sweet Baby James still in the car seat.

But you cannot pick up that weapon, let alone train with it and understand it's operation (which everybody should do of course) and not start to think about what that weapon represents and the enormous responsibility that was always there, but was being ignored by an individual or suppressed by corrupt government, to protect you, your family, your home, your community and your country.

Once those scales fall off someone's eyes, they quite literally see the whole world in a new and completely different light.

The Red Pill/They Live effect, in real life.



Philadelphia: Fatal Self-Defense Shootings Soar as Concealed Carry Applications Rise

https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amend...des-rise-philadelphia-concealed-carry-surges/

AWR HAWKINS 20 Jun 2022

The Philadelphia Inquirer reports that justifiable homicides are rising in Philadelphia as concealed carries surge in the city.

The Inquirer lists three recent incidents in which individuals legally carrying concealed firearms shot and killed their assailants.

The paper then noted, “These sorts of deadly clashes in which the intended victims survive and assailants die are rare in Philadelphia, but are becoming more common as a growing number of people have legally armed themselves amid rising numbers of carjackings, shootings and homicides.”

The Inquirer observes that “justified homicides jumped 67 percent from 2020 to 2021.” And 2022 is on pace to surpass the number of justifiable homicides witnessed last year.

Philadelphia’s deputy police commissioner Benjamin Naish said, “We have seen an increase in the number of people that have been applying for and receiving a permit to carry. I think that they are concerned about their safety, and they’re carrying it legally, which is the big difference.”

On June 18, 2022, Breitbart News highlighted a CBS Philly report showing the highest annual number of concealed carry permit applications the city received between 2017 and 2020 was 11,814.

In 2021, the number of concealed carry permits skyrocketed to 70,790.

 

[Anti Federalist]

And I can't talk cause I don't currently own a firearm. Seriously thinking about it. Not sure if I need to start off with a handgun, rifle, shotgun or what.

There is the "Holy Grail" of internet arguments: "What firearms does a person completely new to shooting/self defense need?"

I'm assuming that is the primary use, self defense and not hunting or specialized shooting sports (trap, skeet, Cowboy Action, long range type of stuff), correct?

Let me make a few suggestion before the thread explodes:

1 - Start here: An inexpensive but reliable handgun for concealed carry, personal defense. A couple suggestions: my own personal carry piece, a Taurus .380 caliber Spectrum. Not expensive, fairly high quality, ultra small and lightweight. No safety or exposed hammer, there is a bar safety preventing drop fires, double action only means you pull the trigger and the gun fires, assuming it's loaded and charged properly.

Or a lightweight revolver in .38 special or .357 magnum. Louder, kicks harder and less shots before reload, but more powerful round has better stopping power.

Smith and Wesson 360 PD Airlight .357 Magnum

2 - For dedicated home defense, a Mossberg 500 pump action shotgun.

3 - Rifle shooting is a whole art form apart from shooting pistols or shotguns, and while they certainly can be used as home or personal defense weapons, that is not what they excel at. But learning this is critical as well, so it's best to at least start. This rifle is almost universally regarded as the definitive "starters" rifle, perfect to start learning how to shoot and manage a rifle.

The Ruger 10/22 semi auto .22 LR

Every one of these are high quality, top notch firearms that will do what you need them to do when you need it, with careful shopping every one can be had for $300 or less.

 

[jmdrake]

There is the "Holy Grail" of internet arguments: "What firearms does a person completely new to shooting/self defense need?"

I'm assuming that is the primary use, self defense and not hunting or specialized shooting sports (trap, skeet, Cowboy Action, long range type of stuff), correct?

Let me make a few suggestion before the thread explodes:

1 - Start here: An inexpensive but reliable handgun for concealed carry, personal defense. A couple suggestions: my own personal carry piece, a Taurus .380 caliber Spectrum. Not expensive, fairly high quality, ultra small and lightweight. No safety or exposed hammer, there is a bar safety preventing drop fires, double action only means you pull the trigger and the gun fires, assuming it's loaded and charged properly.

Or a lightweight revolver in .38 special or .357 magnum. Louder, kicks harder and less shots before reload, but more powerful round has better stopping power.

Smith and Wesson 360 PD Airlight .357 Magnum

2 - For dedicated home defense, a Mossberg 500 pump action shotgun.

3 - Rifle shooting is a whole art form apart from shooting pistols or shotguns, and while they certainly can be used as home or personal defense weapons, that is not what they excel at. But learning this is critical as well, so it's best to at least start. This rifle is almost universally regarded as the definitive "starters" rifle, perfect to start learning how to shoot and manage a rifle.

The Ruger 10/22 semi auto .22 LR

Every one of these are high quality, top notch firearms that will do what you need them to do when you need it, with careful shopping every one can be had for $300 or less.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Anti Federalist again.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Legally Armed Woman Shoots Alleged Attacker Inside Grocery Store

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...-woman-shoots-alleged-attacker-grocery-store/

AWR HAWKINS 21 Jun 2022

A legally armed woman shot an alleged attacker inside a Hy-Vee grocery store Sunday morning in Des Moines, Iowa.

FOX 32 reports that the woman fired shots around 10 a.m., after allegedly being attacked by 30-year-old Kapri Lashawn Francis.

Francis was shot in the leg.

KCCI notes that police indicated Francis launched a “totally unprovoked attack” against the woman. Francis allegedly attacked the woman and put her in a headlock, prior to shots being fired.

Des Moines police department Sgt. Paul Parizek said, “Lawfully possessed and responsibly handled firearms can enhance public safety.”

Francis is charged with “assault causing bodily injury.” The legally armed woman faces no charges

 

[Anti Federalist]

Man Armed with Knife Shot, Killed During Texas Gun Store Robbery

https://www.breitbart.com/border/20...e-shot-killed-during-texas-gun-store-robbery/

BOB PRICE 23 Jun 2022

HOUSTON, Texas — A man carrying a “bladed object” entered a Carter’s Country gun store and began stealing money from the cash register. An armed employee shot the robber who later died from the wounds.

Police investigators told reporters that a man entered the Carter’s Country gun store located on Wilcrest Drive in southwest Houston on Tuesday afternoon. The investigator said the man carried a “bladed object” into the store, according to KHOU CBS 11.

The man approached the cash register and began removing money. An armed employee of the gun store confronted the robber.

Fox 26 Houston reported the employee fired two shots, striking the suspect who then ran out of the store and collapsed in the parking lot.

The suspect was transported to a nearby hospital in critical condition. Doctors declared him dead upon arrival.

No charges were filed but Harris County District Attorney Kim Ogg’s office said the incident will be presented to a grand jury. The grand jury will determine if charges are to be filed against the store employee.

A group of ten robbers broke into this same Carter’s Country store in March 2016 and stole 50 firearms, Breitbart News’ AWR Hawkins reported. The gang of robbers made entry by pulling the doors off the hinges with a pickup truck and tow strap.

Store security cameras captured the break-in on video later released by Houston police. Once inside the store, the robbers smashed display cases with hammers and removed handfuls of weapons.

They then fled the store and dumped the pickup truck a block away. ATF agents later arrested three of the suspects.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Kim Ogg is, of course, a Soros backed white lesbian.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Alleged Intruder in Critical Condition After 93-Year-Old Homeowner Opens Fire

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ition-after-93-year-old-homeowner-opens-fire/

AWR HAWKINS29 Jun 2022259
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An alleged intruder is in critical condition after being shot by a 93-year-old Moreno Valley, California, homeowner early Wednesday morning.

FOX 11 notes that the incident occurred “in the 24300 block of Eucalyptus Avenue.”

ABC 7 reports that Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies arrived at the home to find the alleged intruder shot.

He was transported to a hospital.

Oscar Malma’s wife is related to the 93-year-old homeowner, and Malma told ABC 7 that the homeowner’s property has been the targeted by burglars/intruders numerous times.

Malma said of the homeowner, “He was tired because every time he calls the police, (they took) forever to come and assist him. He took the law into his own hands… He’s been working all his life and whatever little things he has, he’s (protecting).”

 

[Anti Federalist]

Report: Armed Citizen Foils Mass Shooting, Kills Indiana Mall Attacker

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ls-mass-shooting-kills-indiana-mall-attacker/

AWR HAWKINS 17 Jul 2022

An armed citizen reportedly foiled a mass shooting by killing an alleged attacker who opened fire Sunday around 6 p.m. in Greenwood Park Mall in Indianapolis, Indiana.

WDRB reports that three innocents were killed in the attack, then an armed citizen shot and killed the attacker.

Two other individuals were injured.

WTHR notes that witnesses heard about 20 shots ring out in the food court during the attack.

Greenwood Chief James Ison indicated that “a good Samaritan witnessed the shooting and shot and killed the shooter.”

Police indicated that the attacker was an adult male but provided no greater detail.

 

[TheTexan]

There is the "Holy Grail" of internet arguments: "What firearms does a person completely new to shooting/self defense need?"

I'm assuming that is the primary use, self defense and not hunting or specialized shooting sports (trap, skeet, Cowboy Action, long range type of stuff), correct?

Let me make a few suggestion before the thread explodes:

1 - Start here: An inexpensive but reliable handgun for concealed carry, personal defense. A couple suggestions: my own personal carry piece, a Taurus .380 caliber Spectrum. Not expensive, fairly high quality, ultra small and lightweight. No safety or exposed hammer, there is a bar safety preventing drop fires, double action only means you pull the trigger and the gun fires, assuming it's loaded and charged properly.

One thing to keep in mind, at least for me, is a 380 requires regular range time to be a capable shot at anything except point blank range.

My glock 19 on the other hand, the bullet goes where I want it, every time. Even if its been 2 years since I shot it.

At least, until I lost both of them in a boating accident a couple years back.