Guns Save Lives - Reports of citizens using guns to stop crime

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Post them here.

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ETA - And remember, this is not limited to bad guys actually getting shot.

More often than not and hundreds of thousands of times every year, just the presence of an armed good guy is enough to thwart a crime about to take place.
 
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Woman with Pistol Stops Man Firing at Graduation Party Crowd with AR-15

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...with-an-ar-15-shot-dead-by-woman-with-pistol/

AWR HAWKINS 27 May 2022

An alleged attacker with an AR-15 was shot dead in Charleston, West Virginia, Wednesday night by a woman who was carrying a pistol for self-defense.

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Dennis Butler was armed with an AR-15 and allegedly shot “at dozens of people attending a graduation party,” WCHSTV reported.

Police indicate a woman pulled a pistol and shot Butler, killing him.

Charleston Police Department Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett said, “Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night.”


Butler was 37-years-old, the Washington Post noted. The woman who shot him dead waited afterward for police and was cooperative when they arrived.

None of the graduation party attendees were harmed.
 
I guess I'm too lazy to scour the internet for stories this morning so . . .

https://www.youtube.com/c/ActiveSelfProtection

In any case, I point out to my 2nd Amendment peeps that if you don't exercise your rights, you will lose them.

GA just passed constitutional carry last month and I have to wonder if it made much difference in the number of folks who carry. Those who would take advantage of it likely had a CWP and were already carrying prior to the law change. Those who are irrationally fearful of their own right to keep and bear arms are still going to avoid it like the plague.

Certainly most liberals in highly-populated areas where crimes are most likely to happen aren't going to be carrying. So they'll never experience the right of self-defense first hand and are not likely to change their views or cease calls for gun control..

Chattanooga, TN just saw 6 people shot last night.

Sorry for veering off topic. Just wanted to say that passing a law that "gives back" the right to keep and bear arms doesn't do a damn bit of good if no one exercises it. We don't need gun collectors. we need gun carriers, to prevent these mass shootings from happening.
 
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Let's make sure we send these stories to our liberal friends to hopefully convince them of the error of their ways.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...tairie-gun-shop-mass-shooting-saw-killed.html
Surveillance footage shows gunman, 27, entering Louisiana gun store before mass shooting where he was killed by customers in gunfight that also left a woman and store clerk dead
Surveillance footage has been released that shows the sequence of events that led up to the shootings and the deaths of the store owner and a customer
Joshua Jamal Williams, 27, walked into Jefferson Gun Outlet carrying a pistol with an extended magazine unholstered on Saturday
When staff approached him to ask him to unload his weapon, Williams fired off a warning shot and then fatally shot 47-year-old store clerk Noah Fischbach
Several armed patrons inside then began exchanging gunfire with Williams
Williams was shot dead in the parking lot as he attempted to flee the scene
Veronica Billiot, 59, was also fatally shot in the doorway of the store, police said
Two others were injured the hail of gunfire, one of whom was Williams’ brother
By LUKE KENTON and JAMES GORDON FOR DAILYMAIL.COM

PUBLISHED: 19:09 EDT, 22 February 2021 | UPDATED: 08:01 EDT, 23 February 2021

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Three people including alleged shooter Joshua Jamal Williams were killed during the shooting
Three people including alleged shooter Joshua Jamal Williams were killed during the shooting

Chilling footage has been released by police in Louisiana that shows how a 27-year-old New Orleans man opened fire several times inside a Louisiana gun store Saturday afternoon before being shot dead himself.

Joshua Jamal Williams was captured on surveillance footage walking into Jefferson Gun Outlet – a store and indoor shooting range - in Metairie on Saturday.

Upon walking inside the shop he was asked to unload his weapon, a pistol with an extended magazine unholstered.

Instead, Williams fired off a warning shot and then fatally shot 47-year-old store clerk Noah Fischbach.

Williams than ran back outside for around eight seconds before re-entering the shop where he engaged in a firefight with several armed patrons inside the gun outlet.​

And.....the mom defended the killer who was killed.

https://heavy.com/news/joshua-jamal-williams/
Williams’ mom defended her son on Facebook, saying he was “murdered” and was not looking for a fight at the gun outlet that day.

“My son did not go into that gun range shooting!” she wrote on Facebook, according to Nola.com.

She added: “Joshua … was fired at by … employees of the gun range and other folks in the gun range! He was murdered! (Rest in peace) my love, you will be forever in my heart!”​

Dude was on video shooting two innocent people in cold blood.
 
https://abcnews.go.com/US/12-year-allegedly-shot-killed-home-intruder-armed/story?id=75877809
12-year-old allegedly shot and killed home intruder during armed robbery
A 73-year-old resident was also shot by the masked intruders, police said.

ByMeredith Deliso
February 13, 2021, 3:11 PM

Catch up on the developing stories making headlines.
A 12-year-old allegedly shot and killed a home intruder during an armed robbery early Saturday in North Carolina, police said.

A resident of the apartment was also shot by the masked intruders during the incident, according to the Goldsboro Police Department.

Officers responding to a report of a shooting at the apartment shortly before 1 a.m. found one of the residents, a 73-year-old woman, suffering from an apparent gunshot wound, police said.

PHOTO: The S. Williams St., North Carolina neighborhood in which a 12 year old is alleged to have shot a home intruder, is seen in an 2021 file photo.
The S. Williams St., North Carolina neighborhood in which a 12 year old is alleged to have shot a home intruder, is seen in an 2021 file photo.
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A second person suffering from an apparent gunshot wound was found at an intersection half a block from the apartment, police said. He was identified by police as Khalil Herring, 19, of Goldsboro.

Both shooting victims were brought to a local hospital, where Herring died from his injuries, according to police. The 73-year-old victim was treated for non-life-threatening injuries and is in stable condition, police said.

The 12-year-old, described by police as an occupant of the residence, then allegedly shot at the suspects in self-defense, "causing them to flee the area," the department said.

Charges against the juvenile shooter are not anticipated, the department said.

It is unclear what the relationship is between the juvenile and the 73-year-old resident. The police department is not releasing any additional information about the case, a spokesperson told ABC News Saturday.

An investigation into the armed robbery and shootings is underway.​

Imagine if this 12 year old had obeyed the "You can't touch a gun until you're 18" law.
 
Let's make sure we send these stories to our liberal friends to hopefully convince them of the error of their ways.

me waiting on liberals to wake up:

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I used to support gun control. What woke me up was 9/11. That and then learning that it's been admitted that the FBI was behind the 1993 WTC bombing that killed 6 people. I've I can't trust the government not to kill innocent U.S. civilians and hold nobody accountable for it, then how can I trust the government to take away everybody's guns?
 
I'm sure you can post hundreds of annectdotal accounts that support this view. The point you all need to get through to gun control liberals is that criminals by definition do not obey laws. You can make all the new laws you want but criminals will not follow them. They will still own guns illegally. There is no possible way to round up all the weapons currently existing the US and the ones not taken will be used by criminals. The cat is out of the bag on gun proliferation in the US and it can't be put back in. So the best defense against these school shootings is training and arming the school staff in a safe manner.
 
They're pulling out ALL the stops on this. Browsing YT recommendations is a minefield of the usual gun-control canards, but they're going way beyond the usual nonsense. Consider this idiotic piece put out by Trevor Noah, born and raised in another country and now moved here to the US and uses his megaphone to tell Americans what American culture really is (or really ought to be). :rolleyes:



The Left can't meme. It's on Comedy Central but it's not even slightly funny. I don't find the kinds of jokes told by country-club Republicans funny because they're not, they're just self-congratulating BS. This piece is the Left's answer to that.

Consider how moronic this piece is -- they are contradicting not one, but TWO of their own gun-control planks:

1) Police are armed good guys, who stop the bad guys. Therefore, no one else needs a gun.

2) Only police can stop crimes, victims must never interfere with an ongoing crime even to defend themselves. Therefore, just dial 911 and wait and hope for the best.

Instead, their solution is for you to remain unarmed because you might hurt yourself or another innocent if you are not properly trained. Apparently, it's impossible for anyone but police to receive firearms training? And if an armed criminal attacks you, you should use your Jet Li skills to remove the slide from their weapon, thus rendering them unable to shoot you, and in this way, you keep yourself safe and everyone around you safe.

The point in posting this here is to highlight that they're sincerely trying to yeet the gun-control issue, to the point of sabotaging their own platform. They really think this silliness will fly. And I think we've seen some hints in how they're trying to get what they want. I was surprised when the Constitutional Carry movement began moving forward with so little political opposition but I think the Democrats were calculating that the relaxation of gun restrictions will result in a "wave of gun violence", which it hasn't. The idea is then they will have "fresh pickings" from an endless stream of mass shooting headlines made possible by the "free availability" of "assault" weapons, from which to institute a nationwide crackdown.

To quote NC Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson: "IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN."
 
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Post them here.

Hat tip [MENTION=849]jmdrake[/MENTION]

Note that, despite the post-911 corruption of many police departments through Federal toys, money, etc. and out-of-control up-armoring of police, and almost absolute legal immunity for police officers during work-hours, there are still good cops out there and they're still citizens. So when a good cop uses a gun to stop a bad guy, that is a citizen using a gun to stop crime. And there are as many as a million such incidents every year.
 
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I'm sure you can post hundreds of annectdotal accounts that support this view. The point you all need to get through to gun control liberals is that criminals by definition do not obey laws.

You do not need to get anything at all through to gun grabbers (other than that you will not comply - i.e., "molṑn labé"). There is no point in even trying. They are bad-faith actors who care only about gaining and maintaining control over other people - which is precisely why they want everyone (except their own agents) to be disarmed. Nothing you might possibly say can make any difference to them (or their "useful idiot" dupes). All their wailing and gnashing of teeth over "the children" and the like is just cynical and exploitative opportunism.

The point of spreading anti-gun-grabber arguments and stories (such as anecdotes about successful acts of self-defense and the defense of others) is not to "get through to gun control liberals". It is to "get through" to those who are not already "gun control liberals" and impress upon them the dangers, inequities, and injustices of gun control. It is also to bolster and energize the spirit of opposition among those who are already opposed to the gun grabbers, lest they become disheartened and defeatist, rather than determined and defiant.

There is no possible way to round up all the weapons currently existing the US and the ones not taken will be used by criminals. The cat is out of the bag on gun proliferation in the US and it can't be put back in.

There are more than enough present gun owners in America that the battle over gun control is heavily asymmetric. A necessary "win condition" for the gun grabbers is total, hegemonic control - but anti-gun-grabbers, on the other hand, don't actually need to control anything in order to "win". All that's needed is for enough of them to put the gun grabbers on notice that they will not comply. IOW: They just need to continue owning guns in defiance of the grabbers' wishes.

This is yet another reason why one should not waste any time arguing with gun grabbers or trying to change their minds about anything.

Just defiantly mock and summarily dismiss them - and do it publicly.

Anything else just feeds the perception that gun rights are negotiable.
 
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You do not need to get anything at all through to gun grabbers (other than that you will not comply - i.e., "molṑn labé"). There is no point in even trying. They are bad-faith actors who care only about gaining and maintaining control over other people - which is precisely why they want everyone (except their own agents) to be disarmed. Nothing you might possibly say can make any difference to them (or their "useful idiot" dupes). All their wailing and gnashing of teeth over "the children" and the like is just cynical and exploitative opportunism.

The point of spreading anti-gun-grabber arguments and stories (such as anecdotes about successful acts of self-defense and the defense of others) is not to "get through to gun control liberals". It is to "get through" to those who are not already "gun control liberals" and impress upon them the dangers, inequities, and injustices of gun control. It is also to bolster and energize the spirit of opposition among those who are already opposed to the gun grabbers, lest they become disheartened and defeatist, rather than determined and defiant.



There are more than enough present gun owners in America that the battle over gun control is heavily asymmetric. A necessary "win condition" for the gun grabbers is total, hegemonic control - but anti-gun-grabbers, on the other hand, don't actually need to control anything in order to "win". All that's needed is for enough of them to put the gun grabbers on notice that they will not comply. IOW: They just need to continue owning guns in defiance of the grabbers' wishes.

This is yet another reason why one should not waste any time arguing with gun grabbers or trying to change their minds about anything.

Just defiantly mock and summarily dismiss them - and do it publicly.

Anything else just feeds the perception that gun rights are negotiable.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Occam's Banana again.
 
On topic:

Sutherland Springs church shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Springs_church_shooting

[footnotes elided and bold emphasis added - OB]

The Sutherland Springs church shooting occurred on November 5, 2017, when Devin Patrick Kelley, age 26, of New Braunfels, Texas, perpetrated a mass shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas. Kelley killed 26 people, including an unborn child, wounded 22 others, and killed himself. The attack is the deadliest mass shooting in Texas history, and the fifth-deadliest in the United States. It was the deadliest shooting in an American place of worship in modern history, surpassing the Charleston church shooting of 2015 and the Waddell Buddhist temple shooting of 1991.

Kelley was prohibited by law from purchasing or possessing firearms and ammunition due to a domestic violence conviction in a court-martial while in the United States Air Force. The Air Force failed to record the conviction in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) National Crime Information Center database, which is used by the National Instant Check System to flag prohibited purchases. [...]

[...]

Kelley was [...] confronted by and traded fire with Stephen Willeford, a local resident and former NRA firearms instructor who was armed with an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. Willeford had taken cover behind a truck across the street from the church and shot Kelley twice, once in the leg and once in the upper left torso under his tactical gear. Kelley, who had dropped his rifle during the initial firefight with Willeford, fired back with a handgun before fleeing in his Ford Expedition. Willeford fired one more round as Kelley sped north on FM 539. Willeford then noticed a pickup truck parked at the intersection of 4th St. and FM 539, driven by Johnnie Langendorff.

Willeford approached and entered Langendorff's truck on the passenger side. They then pursued Kelley at high speed for about five to seven minutes. According to Langendorff, they drove at speeds up to 95 miles per hour (155 km/h). While chasing Kelley, Langendorff called 9-1-1 and reported their location to the operator as they assumed that the police were on their way to the church.

During the chase, Kelley called his wife and spoke to her and his parents, informing them "I just shot up the Sutherland Springs church", and telling his father that he was injured and thought that he would not survive. Kelley reportedly repeatedly emphasized how sorry he was. Bleeding from his injuries, Kelley soon lost control of his vehicle, hitting a road sign before crossing a bar ditch at the Hartfield/Sandy Elm Road intersection and finally stopping about 30 feet into the field on the opposite side.

Willeford and Langendorff observed that he was motionless, and police took over the scene when they arrived. Police found Kelley dead in his car with three gunshot wounds, including a self-inflicted head wound. Two handguns were found in the vehicle: a Glock 19 9mm and a Ruger SR22 .22-caliber, both of which Kelley had purchased.


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You do not need to get anything at all through to gun grabbers (other than that you will not comply - i.e., "molṑn labé"). There is no point in even trying. They are bad-faith actors who care only about gaining and maintaining control over other people - which is precisely why they want everyone (except their own agents) to be disarmed. Nothing you might possibly say can make any difference to them (or their "useful idiot" dupes). All their wailing and gnashing of teeth over "the children" and the like is just cynical and exploitative opportunism.

The point of spreading anti-gun-grabber arguments and stories (such as anecdotes about successful acts of self-defense and the defense of others) is not to "get through to gun control liberals". It is to "get through" to those who are not already "gun control liberals" and impress upon them the dangers, inequities, and injustices of gun control. It is also to bolster and energize the spirit of opposition among those who are already opposed to the gun grabbers, lest they become disheartened and defeatist, rather than determined and defiant.



There are more than enough present gun owners in America that the battle over gun control is heavily asymmetric. A necessary "win condition" for the gun grabbers is total, hegemonic control - but anti-gun-grabbers, on the other hand, don't actually need to control anything in order to "win". All that's needed is for enough of them to put the gun grabbers on notice that they will not comply. IOW: They just need to continue owning guns in defiance of the grabbers' wishes.

This is yet another reason why one should not waste any time arguing with gun grabbers or trying to change their minds about anything.

Just defiantly mock and summarily dismiss them - and do it publicly.

Anything else just feeds the perception that gun rights are negotiable.

I think if you do nothing you might lose. Maybe not right now, but eventually. Legal gun owners will die off from old age and the indoctrinated younger generations will take over.
 
I think if you do nothing you might lose.

You always might lose, no matter what you do (or don't do). And anyway, who said anything about "doing nothing" ... ? :confused:

What I saId was "don't bother trying to persuade gun grabbers to stop grabbing guns" - because that's just not gonna happen.

Tell them to go kick rocks, instead. Mock and deride them without mercy (whether they are a US Senator or some rando on Twitter).

Arguing with them is a complete waste of time and effort. It will do nothing but reinforce the perception that the issue is debatable.

Legal gun owners will die off from old age [...]

Then illegal gun owners will just have to take up the slack. ;)

[...] and the indoctrinated younger generations will take over.

Yes, that is correct. Hence, the critical importance of what AF said in the other thread:

Reason to Home School #79391

Seriously, I know a lot of people can't, their circumstances just do not permit it.

But I know many more who could, but just don't want to to, for whatever reasons.

Remove thine head from thine ass and want to.

Your child's life and mental health, on so many levels, depends on it.

And a lot more than just your child's life and mental health is at stake:

https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1531007546655485952
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They Don't Need Your Guns If They Have Your Children
UnWokable Mark Ousley DEI destroys the myth that DEI is not CRT using Norman Oklahoma Public School DEI "Teaching for Equity" Teacher Training
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTbhCuEBngU
 
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