Gun Registration Required?

[tallt66]

I am not a gun owner, but considering our country's current state of affairs, I am considering getting a pistol.

I live in Virginia and I know that according to state law, a license is required to conceal and carry.

What are you thoughts on registering guns?

Does this not make the government's job easier when you register if and when they start gun grabbing?

Is owning a gun that is not registered a very serious offense?

Is purchasing an unregistered gun illegal?

I just need some good information from fellow patriots about smart gun ownership for a newbie.

 

[SWATH]

Guns are not registered (so they say). Gun registration would instantly turn the right to keep and bear arms into a priviledge. I don't know the specifics of your state but a concealed carry license does not register the gun it registers you. It's only if you want to carry a gun or there deadly weapon concealed off of your own property, otherwise there is no registration just to own a gun. Just go to a local gun store or a gun show. Dealers will have to call in an instant background check on you, that is all. The dealer is also required to keep the info on file in paper format. There are no requirement for a face to face private transaction (the dreaded so-called "gun show loophole"), in other words, cash and carry.

 

[pcosmar]

In most cases you have to ask permission to buy a firearm.
You have to pass the NICS check. http://foia.fbi.gov/nics552g.htm
Some states have registration and some don't
Example,
http://www.hawaiipolice.com/topPages/gunRegistration.html
http://www.isp.state.il.us/foid/
Your state of Virginia is pretty fair, considering.
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms.shtm

Face to face private sales are different and vary between states.
There are so many laws that overlap that it is difficult to give an answer other than check with your state.

My personal view is that of NO infringement.
No laws should be written that in ANY way hinder or prevent any American from buying, possessing, or carrying any weapon.
It should be no different than buying a set of kitchen knives, an ax, or a set of wrenches. It is a tool.

 

[conner_condor]

What I also find fascinating is that you can buy or anyone over 18 can buy a inline or flintlock or a black powder pistol as here http://www.cabelas.com/ssubcat-1/cat20817.shtml without a back ground check at all. And some of these are as powerful as 357s and up. And they use a cap to ignite the gun powder. No regerstration needed. And as a pistol they do their job only thing is,it takes time to reload them. But with 6 or 8 shot revolver,no worry about that.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=26&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=26&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

[qednick]

Virginia has open carry as far as I know. That means, you can buy a holster and strap your pistol on your hip in open view of everyone and then go wandering into shops, malls, etc. without having to obtain a license of any kind.

You only need a CCW license if you want to carry it concealed from view.

After taking the CCW course and test, it may take a while to get the license. So in the meantime, you could simply open carry everywhere.

In fact, I recommend open carry for those folks who are allowed to do so because:

1. A right unexercised is a right lost, and;
2. It is a visible deterent, and;
3. The more people OC'ing in public, the less we look like a minority of gun nuts.

A pity Texas doesn't allow open carry - I had to obtain a CCW.

 

[tallt66]

Thanks for all of your help. We have a gun show coming up soon so I look forward to shopping

 

[qednick]

Thanks for all of your help. We have a gun show coming up soon so I look forward to shopping

Great! Let us know what you buy!

 

[Man from La Mancha]

VIRGINIA STATE LAWS — Click On Law Below For Details

Anti-Trafficking
Is there a one-handgun-per-month limit on gun sales? Yes
Assault Weapons
Are there limitations on assault weapons and magazines? No

Attorney General Regulations
May Attorney General regulate guns? No
Background Check At State Level
Do state police perform a background check in addition to federal NICS check? Yes

Ballistic Fingerprinting
Must handguns be ballistic fingerprinted prior to sale? No
CCW Limits
May police limit carrying concealed handguns? No

Child Access Prevention - CAP
Are gun owners held accountable for leaving guns accessible to kids? Yes
Child-Safety Locks
Must locking devices be sold with guns? No

Gun Manufacturer Accountability
Do cities have authority to hold gun makers legally liable? No
Gun Show Checks
Are background checks required at gun shows? No

Juvenile Possession
Are minors restricted from possessing guns? Partial
Juvenile Sale
Is it illegal to sell guns to kids? Partial

License or Permit to Purchase
Is a license/permit required to buy handguns? No
Local Gun Laws - Preemption
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's? No

Record Keeping
May police maintain gun sale records? Partial
Registration
Are all guns registered with law enforcement? No

Safety Standards
Are there consumer safety standards on guns? No
Safety Training
Is safety training required for handgun buyers? No

Saturday Night Specials
Are there limitations on 'junk' handguns? No
School Zones
Is it illegal for CCW permit holders to carry guns into schools? Yes

Secondary Sales
Are background checks required on 'private' gun sales? No
Waiting Period
Is there a waiting period on gun sales? No

http://www.stategunlaws.org/

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[conner_condor]

Virginia has open carry as far as I know. That means, you can buy a holster and strap your pistol on your hip in open view of everyone and then go wandering into shops, malls, etc. without having to obtain a license of any kind.

You only need a CCW license if you want to carry it concealed from view.

After taking the CCW course and test, it may take a while to get the license. So in the meantime, you could simply open carry everywhere.

In fact, I recommend open carry for those folks who are allowed to do so because:

1. A right unexercised is a right lost, and;
2. It is a visible deterent, and;
3. The more people OC'ing in public, the less we look like a minority of gun nuts.

A pity Texas doesn't allow open carry - I had to obtain a CCW.

I think banks are off limits to carry in as places that do not permit guns.

 

[amy31416]

I think banks are off limits to carry in as places that do not permit guns.

Here in PA, I know that you're not allowed on any federally owned property with a gun, places like courthouses, post offices, etc. You also can't carry in Philadelphia. Not so sure about banks.

 

[Texan4Life]

if you want to learn more obout Open Carry (in all states) go here: http://www.opencarry.org/

like 60% of the guys on there are from Virgina and can answer questions about concealed carry also.

 

[Richard in Austin]

When you buy a new gun from a dealer, you're required to fill out the Federal 'yellow form' which goes to the BATF, so that's a de facto registration.

 

[Kregener]

No "permits" for me, thanks anyway.

 

[Christian for Israel]

here in nevada open carry is legal. i carry openly 24/7...even into banks. in fact, if a place won't allow me to carry i refuse to go there.

 

[tallt66]

I got a Glock 19!

Thanks for all of your help guys.

Now I just have to get better at shooting it.

 

[qednick]

I got a Glock 19!

Thanks for all of your help guys.

Now I just have to get better at shooting it.

SPLENDIFEROUS!!

 

[millia]

Re: Gun Registration Required background checks

Tall66 said:

I got a Glock 19!

Congratulations. Be a happy and safe gun owner.
And welcome to the BATFE gun owner's database which is a national gun registry.

When a FFL is revoked or the gun dealer has had enough of BATFE’s bureaucratic BS, then according to 27 CFR 478.127, the records must be surrendered to the BATF. That is:
"The records consist of the licensee’s bound acquisition/disposition (A/D) records, ATF Forms 4473, ATF Forms 3310.4 (Report of Multiple Sale or Other Disposition of Pistols and Revolvers), ATF Forms 3310.11 (Federal Firearms Licensee Theft/Loss Report), records of transactions in semiautomatic assault weapons, records of importation (ATF Forms 6 and 6A), and law enforcement certification letters. If the licensee was granted a variance to use a computerized record-keeping system, the licensee is required to provide a complete printout of the entire A/D records."

Now the BATFE is pushing dealers to computerize their 4473 records so that the BATFE can electronically download the information during BATFE audits. BATFE has even rejected dealer computer systems that the BATFE did not like (read that as computer systems must allow BATFE downloads).

The BATFE hates the fact that personal information from NICS record checks must be destroyed after the gun purchaser is approved. So the BATFE is building their own national gun registry. BATFE also hates that 13 US states have their own agencies working on the part of the national instant criminal background check system in what is referred to as a complete Point Of Contact (POC) faculty. In the said states, FFL holders perform their own background checks by electronically getting into the national instant criminal background check system. After completing the mandated ATF Form 4473, FFL holders transacting firearms business in these states get in touch with an assigned state office to perform a national instant criminal background check system instead of making direct contact with the Section of the national instant criminal background check system of the FBI in West Virginia.

Furthermore, there are 8 US states operating as partial POC states. This means that they work hand in hand with the Section of the national instant criminal background check system. These states have offices assigned to perform background checks for handgun transactions, while the Section of the national instant criminal background check system is in charge of long gun transactions.

The BATFE is a bureaucracy in search of a mission to justify bigger budgets and and prestige via its own paramilitary force, national database, and thousands of agents in the field to monitor US citizens.

 

[dave68]

Millia`s explanation is what I thought also. BATF does not get the forms you fill out unless dealer goes out of business. Buy legally at gun shows, and from friends. The SO CALLED GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE!!

 

[amy31416]

In fact, I recommend open carry for those folks who are allowed to do so because:

1. A right unexercised is a right lost, and;
2. It is a visible deterent, and;
3. The more people OC'ing in public, the less we look like a minority of gun nuts.

A pity Texas doesn't allow open carry - I had to obtain a CCW.

I like your reasoning, but on most of the gun forums I'm on they recommend concealed carry for us women because it'd be too easy to disarm us and you lose the surprise advantage.

What are your thoughts on that?

 

[piotr1]

Millia`s explanation is what I thought also. BATF does not get the forms you fill out unless dealer goes out of business. Buy legally at gun shows, and from friends. The SO CALLED GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE!!

how is a gun show different then buying at a store?