Greece fail(s)

Which question do you want me to answer? You changed your post from this:
Zippyjuan said:
BRICs don't want to use their gold to prop up Greece. Why would they?

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BRICs don't want to use their gold to prop up Greece. Why would they and risk losing it? (BRICs aren't going to do a gold backed currency either).

Obviously your first question wasn't a serious question. The second version is a strawman since they don't risk losing any gold. I stated clearly that the gold claimed as backing would not be in Greece.
 
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I call bullshit on this one. NO WAY Greece would be THAT smart. More likely they would spend it on the largest one-year net porn subscription in human history.

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Obviously your first question wasn't a serious question. The second version is a strawman since they don't risk losing any gold. I stated clearly that the gold claimed as backing would not be in Greece.

Since you are confused let's get simpler. Why would any country use their gold to back up another country's debt?
 
Since you are confused let's get simpler. Why would any country use their gold to back up another country's debt?

Because the bankers in one country want to help out the bankers in the other country? Are you saying this has never happened in the history of time?
 
(BRICs aren't going to do a gold backed currency either).
They will if they are serious about dislodging the dollar in my lifetime. But there is a big downside for the insiders in having a truly gold-backed currency - they can't rape the people with inflation. Nobody with control of a currency will easily give up the power to inflate it unless and until the currency collapses.
 
Because the bankers in one country want to help out the bankers in the other country? Are you saying this has never happened in the history of time?

Yes, they do want to avoid a total collapse of Greece. That could spill over into other European countries and why something will likely eventually be worked out. But the would do it with money, not gold.
 
Yes, they do want to avoid a total collapse of Greece.

They're gonna get it anyway. Greece is bankrupt and by extending them additional credit, the inevitable outcome will only be more severe. German and French banks will go bust over this. Or at the least, suffer serious financial damage.
 
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Greece is in trouble either way and default may turn out to be the quickest way out of it. As it drags on the threat of cash leaving the banks becomes more severe and there is talk of instituting currency controls to halt that (like Iceland did- they froze bank accounts and forbade any money from leaving the country). As a condition of more loans (to roll over the existing ones which they cannot pay back and will not be able to pay back in any forseeable future), lenders want more austerity- budget cuts. That will mean more job losses (their economy has already shrank about 40% since 2008) which means lower tax revenues which means more deficits and even higher unemployment (which also means more demand for social payments to the unemployed- again, adding to their deficit). Current unemployment rate is 25%. Germany, on the other hand and a major lender besides the IMF to Greece, just had their lowest unemployment rate since unification of 6%.

Default hurts too because it will make countries and businesses less willing to trade or invest with them. That too will hurt their already struggling economy but it would allow things to start rebuilding sooner.
 
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They're gonna get it anyway. Greece is bankrupt and by extending them additional credit, the inevitable outcome will only be more severe. German and French banks will go bust over this. Or at the least, suffer serious financial damage.

Nah, nothing that can not be fixed by moving a few numbers around in a spreadsheet. Stop being such a pessimist. :D
 
They're gonna get it anyway. Greece is bankrupt and by extending them additional credit, the inevitable outcome will only be more severe. German and French banks will go bust over this. Or at the least, suffer serious financial damage.

Global banker MO is to create events where they can blame the "failure" on something other than themselves. The catch is that the changes that are implemented in response to the "failure" were already planned in advance. Hegelian dialectic with a side of scapegoat.

Goldman Sachs was the primary architect of Greece's debt problem. Goldman also owns much of the CDS that would be triggered by a Greek default. A dirty secret is that many of those derivatives are held privately by bank employees, not the bank itself. They run the same playbook over and over (see: AIG). Goldman and their ilk is playing chess while most people trying to follow the events are still learning to play checkers.
 
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The situation is unsustainable. I know this word gets tossed around so much that people kind of tend to shrug it off when they hear it, but I could easily see Greece being the catalyst that sets off a global firestorm no different than what took place in 2008.

The idea that a country which is in every conceivable way bankrupt, that it's financial situation can somehow be remedied with mountains of additional debt piled upon it, is totally preposterous.

This will end badly, there's no other way for it to end and it will potentially take down the rest of the financial system with it.
 
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Default hurts too because it will make countries and businesses less willing to trade or invest with them. That too will hurt their already struggling economy but it would allow things to start rebuilding sooner.



There really isn't, and the sooner people realize this the better.
 
Default averted? possibly?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greece-offers-proposals-avert-default-002950887.html

I guess Greece lives for another week.

European Council President Donald Tusk, who chaired an emergency summit of leaders of the 19-nation currency bloc, called the Greek proposals "a positive step forward". He said the aim was to have the Eurogroup finance ministers approve a cash-for-reform package on Wednesday evening and put it to euro zone leaders for final endorsement on Thursday morning.

However, there must first be a detailed agreement with representatives of European governments, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund to ensure the numbers add up, he said.
 
I think Greece will declare formal default in early September.
 
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The U.S. should fear the Grexit and for many reasons. Greece is simply the first domino to fall.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/greeks-face-uncertainty-vote-called-bailout-101948918--finance.html#

BRUSSELS (AP) — Greece's place in the euro currency bloc looked increasingly shaky on Saturday after eurozone nations rejected a monthlong extension to its bailout program and the prime minister called for a risky popular vote on the country's financial future.

Worried Greeks queued outside banks for cash amid the uncertainty, with eurozone finance ministers deciding to hold a meeting without Greece to assess how to keep the euro currency union stable in the face of heightened risks that Greece could drop out.

Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras shocked Greece's creditors late Friday when he called for a referendum in a week on whether to accept the reforms that the rescue lenders want in return for more financial aid. The country's bailout program ends Tuesday. Without an extension or more loans from creditors, Greece is likely to be in arrears on a debt payment Tuesday and its banks face the risk of collapse.


Socialism fails when the money runs out.
 
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