Government thugs kidnap, hold 16-year-old Homeschooler under Patriot Act

[heavenlyboy34]

ZOMG, this thread is Orwellian scary!

 

[angelatc]

"I don't believe in guns"

yeah, probably

I associate "no guns" with the left, who didn't really support the Patriot Act. She should be happy that Obama repealed it.

Oh, wait...

 

[gls]

I associate "no guns" with the left, who didn't really support the Patriot Act. She should be happy that Obama repealed it.

Oh, wait...

Maybe, but I don't know too many leftists who home school. It's more likely they belong to a religious denomination that conscientiously objects to all violence, IMO. However her shock that the Patriot Act is being abused would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

 

[Roonie]

A lot of people (mostly MSM "conservatives") keep asserting that Bush and the PATRIOT Act kept us safe for seven and a half years.

Bull.

The thing that most Americans don't get about the radical Islamic Jihad is that *IT'S* *NOT* *ABOUT* *US.*

Right now, the radical Muslims are trying to bully all the more moderate Muslims into accepting their fundamentalist agenda. And they know that their most powerful potential enemy is an America committed to freedom and middle-class mobility. So, they need to make sure that moderate Muslims do not see us as a potential ally.

The best way to do that is to make us look like belligerant assholes.

That was what the terrorists wanted when they planned 9-11, and W. delivered in spades. The reason we have not been attacked again is not because W. was just that good, but because W. gave the terrorists everything they wanted after just the one attack.

W. kept us "safe" because he committed a strategic error of the highest magnitude and played directly into the enemies' hand. We do not celebrate a president for that kind of ineptitude.

 

[phill4paul]

OMG, this is 10 minutes down the road from here

Of note, regarding Oxford, N.C.:

Through the colonial and revolutionary periods, the county was the home of a number of citizens of considerable social influence in North Carolina. Most notable was John Penn, a landowner in present day Stovall, who was elected in 1775 to be a member of the Continental Congress. He was one of North Carolina's three signers of the Declaration of Independence.

He's rollin' in his grave!

 

[Reason]

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[0zzy]

Just thought I'd update you guys on the case.

During the raid, the FBI executed a search warrant and thoroughly searched the family home. They found absolutely nothing illegal or suspicious. No bombs, no bomb-making material or anything unlawful.


It turns out, someone hijacked the family's internet IP address and used it to make numerous phone calls and terrorist threats.

This turns out to be incorrect. Ashton Lundeby made several prank calls that included (albeit unrealistic) bomb threats. You can find them under the alias "Tyrone," on this youtube page (as you can see they recently uploaded the video "YouTube - Tyrone The Patriot")

The one that most likely got him caught was YouTube - Tyrone calls Netgear 1/2 when he called Net Gear customer support, only to be informed 7:20 through that "this is a federal facility, and those terrorist threats that you made, ya, the feds will be on top of that, so good luck with that." As you can hear, the prankster didn't take it too seriously.

Fortunately for him, the Constitution still protects pranksters and false bomb threats under the 4th and 5th amendments. Unfortunately for him, the Constitution hasn't been followed for quite some time.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

what a f'n moron that kid; doesn't mean he should be strung up on PATRIOT Act -- but what a f'n moron that kid.

I am sure there are plenty of 'terroristic threats' laws that the kid could have been frightened under as instituted by the state police or county sheriff. Honestly the kid probably needed some kind of scare (if he was doing this again and again and again like it sounds), and back in the day that job used to fall to the Sheriff or the State Police. As often as not, something like this would have caused the kid to get booked, stay overnight, and have the fear of God installed into him for being a moron; and then let go without charges in the hopes he bought a clue.

Of course, the "terroristic threat" laws were designed for people who took the threats seriously, and actually feared for their lives (obviously this was not the case here) which has a serious negative impact on a persons life, and merits some level of prosecution. Not so much prank calls like this one; but I know when I was younger kids like this were usually processed and booked without charges eventually being filed (and generally with parental consent) in the hopes of scaring the kid into NOT being this much of an idiot in the future.

BUT ALL THAT SAID

Just because the person in question is a scumbag, or because he may well have actually violated other kinds of laws, does not mean that PATRIOT is valid. For instance, Eliot Laurence Spitzer, former Governor of New York was a scumbag through and through. He did NOT deserve to be in public office whatsoever.

But the fact that a political enemy had him taken out via PATRIOT is beyond disgusting.

 

[phill4paul]

Just thought I'd update you guys on the case.




This turns out to be incorrect. Ashton Lundeby made several prank calls that included (albeit unrealistic) bomb threats. You can find them under the alias "Tyrone," on this youtube page (as you can see they recently uploaded the video "YouTube - Tyrone The Patriot")

The one that most likely got him caught was YouTube - Tyrone calls Netgear 1/2 when he called Net Gear customer support, only to be informed 7:20 through that "this is a federal facility, and those terrorist threats that you made, ya, the feds will be on top of that, so good luck with that." As you can hear, the prankster didn't take it too seriously.

Fortunately for him, the Constitution still protects pranksters and false bomb threats under the 4th and 5th amendments. Unfortunately for him, the Constitution hasn't been followed for quite some time.

Can you cite a definitive source that "Tyrone" is Ashton Lundeby, please.

 

[0zzy]

Can you cite a definitive source that "Tyrone" is Ashton Lundeby, please.

I don't have any definitive source. But it adds up.

A home school kid with lots of times on his hands.
4Chan (creator of memes and master of annoyance) does pranks on ventrilo.
They claim Ashton is Tyrone.

I haven't heard it from Ashton or his mother, and I haven't even heard it from the police. But let's just say, I'm pretty certain that it is he for the information provided.

 

[phill4paul]

I don't have any definitive source. But it adds up.

A home school kid with lots of times on his hands.
4Chan (creator of memes and master of annoyance) does pranks on ventrilo.
They claim Ashton is Tyrone.

I haven't heard it from Ashton or his mother, and I haven't even heard it from the police. But let's just say, I'm pretty certain that it is he for the information provided.

As you say "They" doesn't cut it as a definitive source. However, that is some nice detective work.
I seems that SWATing has become something of rage with pranksters so that, to me, is just as viable an excuse. The problem with this kind of pranking is that it puts all of us in jeopardy with regards to the PATRIOT Act.
Could be "Tyrone" is Ashton. Could be he is sharing a cell with him.

 

[pmbug]

Thanks for the update Ozzy. If the rumor is true, Tyrone should be prosecuted for whatever crimes he has committed.

The Patriot Act is still an abomination though and in no way should ever give the government the power to trample civil liberties or due process.

 

[BillyDkid]

This is one of the more horrifying abuses of power I have read about lately. What is astonishing to me is that there is not a single person in power (and I don't know if Dr. Paul is even familiar with this situation.) standing up like someone finally stood up to McCarthy and saying "Do you have no decency???" Kafka would look at this and say "Oh my God!!!" You know what is also sickening - there were a mere handful for people, Dr. Paul for example, who stood up and said the Patriot Act would be abused and as is typical everybody else was saying he was being hysterical. Well, here you are.

 

[phill4paul]

Here is a link to another write-up. Goes into more detail of his alibi.

http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2009/05/free-ashton-lundeby.html

Also from the article: "The standard that they used to arrest and detain my son was not `probable cause,' as the Constitution requires, but rather `good faith,' as specified in the PATRIOT [sic] Act," Annette Lundeby observes. "This meant that they didn't have to provide real evidence of a crime, because they didn't have any. All they had to do was assert their `good faith' reasons for arresting and holding Ashton, and the judge simply let it stand."

As of today (May 5), a criminal complaint in this case does exist, but Ashton has yet to be charged with a crime. Were we living in a country in which the habeas corpus guarantee was operational, Ashton would most likely be free, and a lawsuit against his persecutors would probably be in the works.

 

[Liberty Star]

Most supporters of PA probably had thought it would be used against middle easterners, foreigners etc. Had many Repulican supporters of PA imagined that it would be later on used to imprison "white christian males" withouit due process? This could cause a GOP mutiny regarding PA.

Teen homeschooler jailed under Patriot Act
FBI holds 10th-grader for months with little contact from family

May 04, 2009
8:31 pm Eastern

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=97099

Don't know how reliable this source is but this is shocking.

 

[Reason]

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[ergocogitamus]

It is commendable Ozzy made the effort and found the the 16 year old kid and the prankster videos being associated, and I recommend Ozzy perhaps do some more research to follow up, but this is very different from presenting fact. The above text is not to stay that party a could not be the same as party b. There might be a connection in someway. For that matter, party a, could be many other things too. Simply, no facts are presented.
Any comments afterwards based on the belief of the above association, is speculation on an issue that has no factual basis. My concern is that media may pick up the association someone made and present it and people would believe it and then ignore the issue at hand. Let's give the kid above the benefit of doubt.
This speculation is mainly a distraction for those that go in that direction and detracts from the core of the issue here:

1. The government is using the Patriot Act, to super-cede Constitutional and US stated rights of Due Process, Probable Cause, right to an attorney, etc. to incarcerate, isolate, and gag its citizens.
2. Due to the purposeful governmental handling and effects of isolation in prison for over 60 days, under psychological and physical stress, the government is tampering against the right to not accuse oneself, right to remain silent, right against unusual and cruel punishment, etc.)
3. Regardless of the accusation, the above rights cannot be taken away from an american citizen.

 

[bg1654]

This is exactly the type of situation for which Militias exist. This is a situation in which I could see the People standing up to the government and having widespread support regardless of the action taken to secure freedom.