got $100k cash in bank, what should i do? buy gold? buy euros? or what..

While I'm a Paul fan, and enjoy my foray into economic learning from the Austrian perspective, listening to these Mad Max clowns and new age gold bugs will not lead you to financial stability in my honest, but to paranoid fear!!

Guns and Ammo? lol

I hope you read through these posts and came away with the knowlege that this probably was not the best place to learn investing from...

I think Desirae (I spell that right?) was the closest to sanity from an unbiased view, but I doubt anyone who posted, included myself, would vouche for their investment advice with a partial rebate if they were wrong. (And if right might get 1% of you earnings)


With 100K, seek professional advice.

However, my one caveat with alot of professionals is their poo-poo against the commodoty markets (almost especially the metals).

One thing that is interesting though: If the environment was not unstable, i.e. consistant low infaltion or no inflation, then you wouldnt have to worry where you make your investments as much. The current environment really does cause some sort of internal psychological panick.

Looking at 100 year charts of the ratios between hard assets and equities is not what I would classify as biased advice...ie: the gold/dow ratio moves over decades, not weeks or months. How can anyone look @ the ratios and defend equities or real estate vs. gold or silver at this time, especially knowing how the fiat house of cards has been built? The refi game is now in full swing, as the banks are desperate to roll over the debt... rates are going down short term, but as the dollar crashes it just makes the eventual resolution of the imbalances that much worse. If the dollar peg to oil breaks down, look out below.

Regarding guns and ammo; even if you never fired a shot they could be considered a hard asset that may become very valuable, even if only in barter... and they represent a tiny fraction of your overall portfolio.
 
you guys can stop posting now. the OP is gone, it appears :)

no im not gone, im here :)
sorry.. thanks all for your suggestions
but its still real hard decision.. im having a hard time trying to think if this recession does come, if it will be deflationary or inflationary.. if deflationary im thinking ill be better off just keeping the cash :confused:
 
no im not gone, im here :)
sorry.. thanks all for your suggestions
but its still real hard decision.. im having a hard time trying to think if this recession does come, if it will be deflationary or inflationary.. if deflationary im thinking ill be better off just keeping the cash :confused:

Again, buy some books, read for yourself, talk to people richer than you, call Dave Ramsey (talk show guru), but most importantly,

Don't do anything that doesn't make sense to you!
 
no im not gone, im here :)
sorry.. thanks all for your suggestions
but its still real hard decision.. im having a hard time trying to think if this recession does come, if it will be deflationary or inflationary.. if deflationary im thinking ill be better off just keeping the cash :confused:
i figured you were overwhelemd with all the responses.

deflationary or inflationary is an argument going back and forth a lot. too of my favorites economists stand on different sides of the argument. if you want to hear some strong arguments from the deflationary side, check out Mish's blog:

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com

if you want to hear some strong arguments from the inflationary side, check out Eric Janstzen:

itulip.com

Interesting to note, both are strong advocates of gold :) As Mish points out, gold does well in inflation and deflation, but not so good during normal times. One thing's for sure, we don't have normal times right now.
 
"buy guns, lots and lots of gun.

especially assault rifles since they might be banned in the near future."

Not very Ron Paul of you. Try calling them defense rifles rather than assault rifles ....gives the impression you aren't a cold blooded killer. Might want to get an ABM in case of a missile attack on your bunker. Radar? How about starting an intelligence agency?

Will the last man standing in America after this shootout please get rid of those Diebold ballot machines? Thanks
I stand by my previous suggestion. :cool: Guns don't lose value and assault rifles will dramatically increase in value if in the future restrictions or a ban is implemented. Anyone who already owns an assault rifle will be able to keep them as the new laws / restrictions would be grandfathered in...

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While I'm a Paul fan, and enjoy my foray into economic learning from the Austrian perspective, listening to these Mad Max clowns and new age gold bugs will not lead you to financial stability in my honest, but to paranoid fear!!

Guns and Ammo? lol

I hope you read through these posts and came away with the knowlege that this probably was not the best place to learn investing from...

I think Desirae (I spell that right?) was the closest to sanity from an unbiased view, but I doubt anyone who posted, included myself, would vouche for their investment advice with a partial rebate if they were wrong. (And if right might get 1% of you earnings)


With 100K, seek professional advice.

However, my one caveat with alot of professionals is their poo-poo against the commodoty markets (almost especially the metals).

One thing that is interesting though: If the environment was not unstable, i.e. consistant low infaltion or no inflation, then you wouldnt have to worry where you make your investments as much. The current environment really does cause some sort of internal psychological panick.

I'm vaguely reassured to know that I am "close to sanity" :)
 
A deflationary recession wont come until the fed stops propping it up. It's coming soon, but not yet. If you like the liquidity of cash then consider investing in multi currency CDs through everbank.com. Some of them are returning around 20%/year when currency gain is factored in which covers the loss from inflation of the US money supply and a nominal return of 4-5% on top.
 
Since 1999, I have always worked toward a target of having 33% of my assets in gold or silver. However, because of the huge run up in prices, they now comprise 40% of my assets, which is just fine because now I don't have to buy any more until it goes down. :D
 
Since 1999, I have always worked toward a target of having 33% of my assets in gold or silver. However, because of the huge run up in prices, they now comprise 40% of my assets, which is just fine because now I don't have to buy any more until it goes down. :D

Oh, that's awesome. In the meantime you can get some guns, ammo, and a survival food supply.
 
Gold is the best proven investment

According to who? Again, every reference I see always talks about 'the last few years'. Talk about cherry picking...

Let's look at how gold performed over the last 2 decades of the 20th century.
A $10,000 investment in gold in 1980 would have sold for $4,245 in 2000. That's a loss of 57.5%, or 4% yearly. Accounting for inflation, $4,245 in 2000 would be $1,855 in 1980, for an astounding loss of 81.5% or 8% yearly.

I could have picked almost any other generic investment vehicle over the 1980s and 1990s and not have come up with an 80+% loss.
 
In the current situation compared to the 80s, the conditions are much different. I don't think gold is a bad investment at all right now. I seriously don't expect it to drop over 50% in the next 20 years, and I think most speculators including Peter Schiff would agree. However, I would not advise that a significant portion of your portfolio include any one asset. Diversification is key. I have a little bit in GLD right now which has done well since I purchased it. The dollar will continue to weaken and gold will go up.

Concerning Everbank, I have money there also. I have lost some on the Icelandic Krona trying to get those high interest rates over 12%, but am purchasing the Chinese Yuan (Renminbi) now. No interest rate of return, but it is hard to argue that it will not appreciate against the dollar. I am also looking at the Japanese Yen.

It couldn't hurt buying guns.. unless you accidentally get killed by them. Buy a good handgun to carry and a shotgun for home defense.

I want to get rid of all debt, including my house. The time has come to "live beneath our means". I'm getting rid of my SUV and am going to buy a cheap car in cash. I am going to try and sell my house and build something cheap. I like the underground house idea. I want a garden, solar power and a deep well. I've always believed it's better to be safe than sorry. Live free and save what you earn. It's a much better approach than living in debt and saving nothing. In the end, if you can be self-sustaining, money doesn't matter anyway.
 
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