GOP releases bills to repeal and replace ObamaCare

The Democratic Party might have done some things accidently that have harmed their ability to keep power. But not on purpose.

Okay, in that context I agree. The Democratic might might have thought that a particular policy would gain them more supporters than opponents, thinking that 'the voice screaming the loudest must represent the most people' but the reality has been the opposite. I think, in part, that the 2016 election was a referendum on this policy by the party. (Also on Hillary, but hard to tell the two apart.)

I do agree that the Republican Party is somewhat more hypocritical than the Democratic Party. Many times Republicans will say the right things about liberty and free markets but do the opposite when they get in power. Democrats, on the other hand, believe in less liberty and more socialism and they usually honor their promises when they get in power.
Agreed.

I'm not sure which is worse.
I think that this bill is a fantastic example showing that neither is worse. They both do the same thing - one just does it faster. End result seems the same to me.
 
Question about this 30% surcharge for lapsed coverage...

Is the bill allowing insurers to charge this (they aren't allowed to do that now?), or requiring them to do it?

...can't find a straight answer.
I'm sorry, but you'll need to pass the bill to read what's in it.


Couldn't resist the Pelosi joke.
 
Do those that payed a "penalty" get a refund. :p I quit paying Federal Income tax for many reasons but the ACA was the kicker when I decided that I. Will. Not. Comply.
 
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FOX covering Freedom Caucus press conference live.

House to introduce clean repeal, to back Rand's bill for replacement.

Rand on now.
 
I thought the IRS was told not to implement the penalty this year. :confused:

I have no idea. I quit paying Fed. Income because of the ACA, and many other reasons, and I'll not go back until it is repealed completely (not just re-written). Among other things. Many other things.
 
I have no idea. I quit paying Fed. Income because of the ACA, and many other reasons, and I'll not go back until it is repealed completely (not just re-written). Among other things. Many other things.
I'll try to find it again, but I seem to remember reading that the IRS was told to accept returns with or without proof of insurance. I interpreted that as a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy for taxes.
 
I'll try to find it again, but I seem to remember reading that the IRS was told to accept returns with or without proof of insurance. I interpreted that as a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy for taxes.

Ah, yeah I do remember that. It didn't mean that they couldn't go back on it later, just that you could file without it.
 
Question about this 30% surcharge for lapsed coverage...

Is the bill allowing insurers to charge this (they aren't allowed to do that now?), or requiring them to do it?

...can't find a straight answer.

Insurance companies would be "allowed" to charge "up to 30%" according to the proposal.
 
I'll try to find it again, but I seem to remember reading that the IRS was told to accept returns with or without proof of insurance. I interpreted that as a Don't Ask Don't Tell policy for taxes.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/15/irs-...hey-do-not-include-obamacare-disclosures.html

IRS won't reject tax returns if they do not include Obamacare disclosures

Obamacare's "individual mandate" is looking a little more like a "suggestion" under the Trump administration.

The Internal Revenue Service says it will not systematically reject income tax returns that fail to disclose whether the tax filers have health insurance or not.

The move by the IRS, quietly made Feb. 6, is in response to an executive order by President Donald Trump that authorized federal agencies to lower the financial burden of complying with Obamacare rules.

But the decision raises the question of how aggressively the Trump administration will seek Obamacare tax penalties from people who lack health insurance, and who don't disclose that fact on their tax returns.

The IRS noted Wednesday that tax filers remain responsible for any Obamacare penalty they owe. It also said that taxpayers who don't disclose their insurance status could end up getting questioned by the agency.


The decision by the IRS had reportedly been disclosed two weeks ago to tax preparation companies, but was not announced publicly. It came to light Tuesday through reports in the San Francisco Chronicle and Reason.com.

The Affordable Care Act since 2014 has required nearly all Americans to have some form of health coverage or pay a tax penalty. That requirement is known as the individual mandate.
 
...i think you'll find a lot of people are really really sick of listening to a bunch of goddamned fool republicrat politicians claim, 'the government shouldn't be paying for in$urance, retirement, etc. ad goddamned nau$eam,' when said goddamned fool republicrat politicians are getting their in$urance, retirement, etc. ad goddamned nau$eam paid for/heavily $ub$idized... https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/20/10-perks-congress-has-that-you-dont.aspx

...ugh...another phony 'political issue' involving illion$ where the stinking 'discussion' :rolleyes: is DOMINATED by republicrat fools who are worse than ignorant about the HIDEOUS origin and nature of even one 'dollar'...word...
 
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Trump 'proud' to support GOP health care bill

By AIDAN QUIGLEY 03/07/17 04:22 PM EST Updated 03/07/17 04:38 PM EST


President Donald Trump said Tuesday he was "proud" to support the House GOP’s health care bill and hoped it would go through Congress “very quickly.”

“I think we're going to have a tremendous success,” Trump said at the White House as he met with his House Deputy Whip Team. “It's a complicated process, but actually it's very simple. It's called good health care.

"So, we're going to do something that's great and I'm proud to support the replacement plan released by the House of Representatives and encouraged by members of both parties," Trump added.

Trump’s comments came amid a day filled with heavy criticism of the bill from congressional conservatives, powerful outside conservative groups and Democrats. When asked by reporters whether the White House supported the House GOP's plan, Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price called it a "work in progress."

Trump, however, was more forceful. “It's a great bill, we're going to have tremendous — I really believe we're going to have tremendous support,” Trump said. “I'm already seeing the support not only in this room, I'm seeing it from everybody.”

“I think really that we're going to have something that's going to be much more understood and much more popular than people can even imagine,” he added.

He added it followed the guidelines he encouraged in his address to Congress, saying it “will lower costs, expand choices, increase competition, and ensure health care access for all Americans.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/donald-trump-health-care-bill-proud-235785
 
Rep. Thomas Massie: GOP Obamacare repeal 'stinking pile of garbage' written by the 'insurance lobby,' and it 'will fail'
By Philip Wegmann • 3/7/17 4:27 PM

Republican Obamacare plan signals that liberalism has already won


Thomas Massie does not mince words. For more than six years, Republicans have promised to repeal Obamacare and after reviewing the long-awaited replacement package for a few hours, the Kentucky libertarian wasn't impressed. Massie thinks "it's a stinking pile of garbage."

Many of the provisions within the bill that he finds so objectionable, Massie explained, aren't bugs. They're crony features of a product designed by, and for the benefit of, the insurance industry.

Real reform won't happen, Massie argued during a recent meeting of the Washington Examiner's editorial board, unless Republicans push special interest out of the process. "I think the [American Healthcare Act] was written by the same people that wrote Obamacare," he said. "That's why it looks so similar. It was the insurance lobby."

The Republican base started complaining about the repeal almost as soon as House Speaker Ryan unveiled the plan. It preserves many of Obamacare's provisions, such as the regulations, penalties and Medicaid expansion, while creating a system of refundable tax credits for the purchase of health insurance.

Massie balks at that last provision, describing it as a sort of new corporate entitlement. "I've been wondering what the payment mechanism is," he asked. "But I found out today that the check goes straight to the insurance company. They're the ones that get a monthly check to subsidize health insurance for almost everybody."

And for GOP leadership, the margins for success are slim. Already the leaders of the roughly 40-member Freedom Caucus expressed disappointment in the bill. If the bill is going to advance, Ryan can't lose more than 20 Republican votes. But as it's written, Massie predicts "this bill will fail."

Ironically, a dour Massie agrees with longtime foe and former House Speaker John Boehner. "The other day when he said it's not going to get repealed," Massie admitted, "I thought for once he's committing candor and I agree with him."

Long an opponent of government expansion, Massie hopes he's wrong. But just in case, he adds "please don't shoot the messenger."


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/r...urance-lobby-and-it-will-fail/article/2616708
 
Here's this month's dose of steroids.

Oh this is gonna be really poppin' now . . . Obama wiretaps to save marque health insurance scheme are a motive.

Trump tweets that he hopes his friend Dr. Paul from Kentucky on board with repeal.

Rand saying on news shows how it won't even get to Senate.

Trump tweets about drug prices under RyanCare will drop, and big pharma stock prices are knee-jerking down 2 %
 
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