GOP Leaders: Only Half of Maine's Ron Paul Delegates will be Seated

69360 said:
An easier time of this in '16

Isn't that obvious?
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The mainstream Republicans and the co-opted segment of the Tea Party are going to spend the next 2 years doing everything they can to make sure Rand Paul is not re-elected. They are going to do to him what they have done to Ron Paul this election cycle. Unless he retains powerful support in his home state like his dad did, they are not going to let him be a blip on the radar by 2016 unless he rolls over and joins them lock, stock and barrel. I would think some would have learned some lessons by all that has happened.
 
sailingaway said:
If there was a speech to be had, based on RON"s support, shouldn't it have been RON's speech?
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Rand isn't getting his speech based on RON's support.

Rand is getting his speech because he's a popular US Senator. No one is going to argue that Rand wasn't helped by Ron to get to be a US Senator. But he is a US Senator now, and is popular with a lot of Republicans who don't like Ron Paul.
 
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parocks said:
Rand isn't getting his speech based on RON's support.

Rand is getting his speech because he's a popular US Senator. No one is going to argue that Rand wasn't helped by Ron to get to be a US Senator. But he is a US Senator
now, as is popular with a lot of Republicans who don't like Ron Paul.
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I disagree with that. ALL the media is saying Rand is speaking as a gesture to Ron's supporters. EVERY write up. NO one is running this as a speech by a random up and coming Senator.
 
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I don't post that much lately because I've been working on other important battles, and don't have time for forum wars. I venture to say a silent majority on the forums may be in the same position. Lately all we seem to see are people venting misplaced despair, or maybe it's a bunch of trolls, but there are a bunch of people filling every thread with "We're all screwed! Give up! There's nothing we can do!" It's really getting on my nerves.

The "failure" of 2008's race led to Congressman Amash, Massie and Senators Rand Paul and Lee getting elected. Back then we only had 1 congressman and it was almost unthinkable that we'd win a senate race, let alone influence several so heavily. The outrage over the most outright cheating (Nevada) led to the state party being taken over, ensuring a fair process this time. We quadrupled our votes many places and despite the RNC's best best efforts our delegates multiplied by more than ten times - all while facing off against opponents than can print as much money as they want and control the media. We got Audit the Fed past the House with a veto-proof majority, and inspired dozens of people to successfully run for local office and/or endorse us this time.

The work in 2012 will similarly multiply our achievements in the future. Look for more liberty people to get elected, more of our bills to start getting votes and passage, and eventually liberties to start returning instead of being lost. In the states we took over, we will ensure the process is fair next time. And we will build on the outrage to take over the states that cheated us, just like we did in Nevada last time. Even this time, for all the cheating, they were unable to purge our presence and we controll several state delegations.

The only valid point of concern is that Ron Paul is retiring - but we, the liberty movement, MUST be the ones to carry on the revolution. It's going to be hard work, and it's not going to be a quick fix. But the only way we lose our momentum and stop winning is by giving up. So whether intentional or unintentional, the doom & gloom crowd who are working to discourage and divide us, get us wasting energy attacking our own instead of our real foes, and get us to quit multiplying our gains like we did last time are serving the enemy's purpose.
 
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sailingaway said:
I disagree with that. ALL the media is saying Rand is speaking as a gesture to Ron's supporters. EVERY write up. NO one is running this as a speech by a random up and coming Senator.
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But it is. You're trying to find the truth by reading the msm. What's happening is that Rand is getting a speech because he's a popular tea party person. People are saying it has something to do with Ron Paul, because they want to give us nothing, and tell us that we're actually getting something.

Aren't there going to be a lot of speeches by unheard of republicans running for office? Rand Paul is a US Senator, very popular with the tea party. If Ron Paul ran in 2012 or not, I would expect Rand Paul to have a speech.
 
Carlybee said:
The mainstream Republicans and the co-opted segment of the Tea Party are going to spend the next 2 years doing everything they can to make sure Rand Paul is not re-elected. They are going to do to him what they have done to Ron Paul this election cycle. Unless he retains powerful support in his home state like his dad did, they are not going to let him be a blip on the radar by 2016 unless he rolls over and joins them lock, stock and barrel. I would think some would have learned some lessons by all that has happened.
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Exactly. It seems like people have learned nothing from the past 2 campaigns.
 
parocks said:
But it is. You're trying to find the truth by reading the msm. What's happening is that Rand is getting a speech because he's a popular tea party person. People are saying it has something to do with Ron Paul, because they want to give us nothing, and tell us that we're actually getting something.

Aren't there going to be a lot of speeches by unheard of republicans running for office? Rand Paul is a US Senator, very popular with the tea party. If Ron Paul ran in 2012 or not, I would expect Rand Paul to have a speech.
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I don't believe that. I find it hard to believe you even believe it.
 
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Unless I missed something, a final deal has not been at all announced yet.

I'm going to wait until I see the final deal before committing any emotion to the matter.

IMO it looks like the deal may be nothing more than shifting delegates around. Rather than having 400 delegates from 5 states, maybe they're arranging 400 delegates from 10 states?
 
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AJ Antimony said:
Unless I missed something, a final deal has not been at all announced yet.

I'm going to wait until I see the final deal before committing any emotion to the matter.

IMO it looks like the deal may be nothing more than shifting delegates around. Rather than having 400 delegates from 5 states, maybe they're arranging 400 delegates from 10 states?
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the majorities in the states are everything. That would be a horrible deal.
 
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