Gold Manipulation officially confirmed.

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Here is the link, its a long read and I just posted the guys summary.


[url]http://www.marketskeptics.com/2010/0...confirmed.html[/URL]


Amazing set of revelations

1) For the first time ever, a whistleblower, Andrew Maguire, has stepped forward citing specifics of a gold market rigging as it was occurring in real time.

2) There is no gold corresponding to the vast "gold deposits" at the major LBMA banks. During the CFTC hearings, Jeffrey Christian of CPM Group apparently informed us that the LBMA banks actually have about a hundred times more gold deposits than actual gold bullion.

3) Almost all of the trading activities on the London exchange were merely settled by paper for paper, not for physical metals as the exchange supposedly requires.

4) there are thousands of clients (Asian and Middle Eastern governments, sovereign wealth funds, etc) who think they own hundreds of billions and perhaps trillions of dollars of gold bullion, and are being charged storage fees on that fantasy bullion, but what they really own unsecured gold loans to the banks at a negative interest rate.

5) it is impossible for the London exchange to ever deliver all the gold and silver owed to the owners of contracts.


Unbelievable “coincidences”

1) The live television broadcast of the CFTC hearing suffered a technical failure right as Murphy was set to begin his testimony. This was corrected right after Murphy was finished.

2) At least one live voice broadcast (radio) failed during Murphy's presentation.

3) After the hearing, Murphy was contacted by several major media outlets for more interviews. Within 24 hours, all the interviews were canceled. All of them.

4) The day after Maguire gave his radio interview, he was the victim of a hit and runcollision. Somebody sped out of a side alley at top speed, smashed into Maguire’s car, and then tried to escape. A high-speed chase ensued, and the perpetrator was caught by police. Although the British press has reported that this might have been an assassination attempt or a threat, there has been no word from the police.

5) Shortly before somebody crashed into Maguire’s car, the CFTC caught on fire. This fire happened to be located in the one small basement room where gold and silver trading data and other pertinent documents were kept.

6) A few days after the CFTC caught on fire, there was an DOS (denial of service) attack on the King World website which contains the radio interview of Maguire and his emails to the CFTC.


Virtual blackout by the mainstream news media

1) Only the blogs, and almost no one in the mainstream media, are covering the relevations of the CFTC hearings.

2) At the Wall Street Journal, a search on "Gensler" (CFTC Chairman Gary Gensler would surely be included in any report) produces only one item from before the hearing. Readers of the Wall Street Journal will never hear what happened at the hearing and whether the CFTC paid any attention to them.

3) The few mainstream stories that do cover the CFTC hearings are unnaturally one sided, failing to mention anything other than opposition to any idea of position limits in metal markets

4) The media lock-down is being met by disbelief and confusion.

5) A Google News search on "Gensler" confirms the virtual blackout by the mainstream news media.

6) The media’s strategy seems to be to stonewall and hope scandal goes away.


Implications

1) This is a scandal of monumentous proportions. As the articles above put it:

Sub-prime crisis was peanuts before this scam.

this is a potential multi-trillion dollar fraud that could bring down the world's financial system

It is a bombshell. This has to be dealt with, one way or the other. Bring it out into the light of day, and let the facts be known. This is either the equivalent of the fictionalized testimony on the order of the Salem Witch trials, or one of the most damning accusations of malfeasance in office against quasi-governmental agencies, and probably US officials, since Teapot Dome.

FRAUD’, that is the one word which comes to any investor’s mind when s/he reads about the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) hearing on manipulations in bullion market by gold cartels

The world Largest Fraud: 5.5 Trillion.

The Gold and Silver Manipulation spanning decades (going back well back into 1980s) has now taken mammoth proportions, one that could bankrupt not just a few banks but entire countries along with their central banks.


2) As the significance of the CFTC hearings’ revelations sink in, it will create a gold rush and dollar panic, resulting in the biggest short squeeze in the history of all commodities. (See *****Preview of 2010's Gold Rush And Dollar Panic*****)

3) The upward explosion in gold prices, it will result in a complete loss of confidence in the U.S. dollar.


Conclusion: Last October, I wrote about the Gold Market Reaching The Breaking Point. Well now we are there.

1) Consider this a final warning about the gold market. You aren’t going to get much, if any, further confirmation of gold market fraud before it is too late. I would be amazed, especially considering recent relevations, if the gold market manages to make it passed June intact.

2) If you wondering how it will all end, I believe there will be a big “financial freeze”. Checking accounts, money market accounts, brokerage accounts, etc... everything will become inaccessible.
 
Unbelievable “coincidences”

1) The live television broadcast of the CFTC hearing suffered a technical failure right as Murphy was set to begin his testimony. This was corrected right after Murphy was finished.

2) At least one live voice broadcast (radio) failed during Murphy's presentation.

3) After the hearing, Murphy was contacted by several major media outlets for more interviews. Within 24 hours, all the interviews were canceled. All of them.

4) The day after Maguire gave his radio interview, he was the victim of a hit and runcollision. Somebody sped out of a side alley at top speed, smashed into Maguire’s car, and then tried to escape. A high-speed chase ensued, and the perpetrator was caught by police. Although the British press has reported that this might have been an assassination attempt or a threat, there has been no word from the police.

5) Shortly before somebody crashed into Maguire’s car, the CFTC caught on fire. This fire happened to be located in the one small basement room where gold and silver trading data and other pertinent documents were kept.

6) A few days after the CFTC caught on fire, there was an DOS (denial of service) attack on the King World website which contains the radio interview of Maguire and his emails to the CFTC.

OMG this part is like reading a movie script..
 
Don't be fooled by a single day's price action. If the markets had really understood what was going on, they would be plummeting as everyone sold paper gold and bought real gold.
 
So who did the 'official confirming?' larry Sommers? I bet that's why he is stepping down. No wait..it was Tony Blair. I just KNEW he was employed at JP Morgans for a noble reason. Was he in Paris that day princess Diana
whacked into the underpass?

I'm depressed at the futility of all the old noble virtues, you just end up dead iin a car wreck, ridiculed or ignored.
 
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More and more negative info seems to be coming out by the day. On ZH today:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/la...nly-bullion-bank-gold-vault-practically-empty

Continuing on the trail of exposing what is rapidly becoming one of the largest frauds in commodity markets history is the most recent interview by Eric King with GATA's Adrian Douglas, Harvey Orgen (who recently testified before the CFTC hearing) and his son, Lenny, in which the two discuss their visit to the only bullion bank vault in Canada, that of ScotiaMocatta, located at 40 King Street West in Toronto, and find the vault is practically empty. This is a relevant segue to a class action lawsuit filed against Morgan Stanley, which was settled out of court, in which it was alleged that Morgan Stanley told clients it was selling them precious metals that they would own in full and that the company would store, yet even despite charging storage fees was not in actual possession of the bullion. It appears that this kind of lack of physical holdings by all who claim to have gold in storage, is pervasive as the actual gold globally is held primarily in paper or electronic form. Lenny Organ who was the person to enter the vault of ScotiaMocatta, says "What shocked me was how little gold and silver they actually had." Lenny describes exactly how much (or little as the case may be) silver was available - roughly 60,000 ounces. As for gold - 210 400 oz bars, 4,000 maples, 500 eagles, 10 kilo bars, 10 one kilogram pieces of gold nugget form, which Adrian Douglas calculates as being $100 million worth, which is just one tenth of what the Royal Mint of Canada sold in 2008, or over $1 billion worth of gold. As Orgen concludes: "The game ends when the people who own all these paper obligations say enough and take physical delivery, and that's when the mess will occur."

Also note the interesting detour into what Stephan Spicer of the Central Fund Of Canada, said regarding his friend at a major bank, who wanted access to his 15,000 oz of silver, and had to wait 6-8 weeks for its to be flown in from Hong Kong.


It is funny that central bankers thought they could take the ponzi mentality of infinite dilution of all assets coupled with infinite debt issuance, as they have done to fiat money, and apply it to gold, in essence piling leverage upon leverage. They underestimated gold holders' willingness to be diluted into perpetuity - when the realization that gold owned is just 1% of what is physically deliverable, you will see the biggest bank run in history.

Shortcut to full interview:
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingwo...2010/4/7_Andrew_Maguire_&_Adrian_Douglas.html

This is probably the status of many of these vaults. It sounds like a lot of PM at first glance but it's peanuts compared to the paper floating around being "supported" by these vaults. I bet Ft Knox is even worse.
 
I said screw it...I just bought 10grand more PMs from APMEX - on top of what I already have.

A mere pittance, make no mistake but it makes me feel all giddy inside everytime I do it.
 
This is a really tangled web of news. I don't follow this stuff regularly, so I've honestly never heard of any of our sources here. Our own source is http://www.marketskeptics.com/2010/04/gold-manipulation-officially-confirmed.html, which is obviously a questionable-looking site. Its source for this article is http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=9921, and it has other sources for other articles. Is anyone else familiar enough with them to confirm their trustworthiness? (I ask because I'm wanting to make sure nobody's playing some propaganda webring game with us.)

We've all been waiting for "the big one" for a few years now, and it seems like every few months the apparent gold/silver ponzi scheme seems like it's about to explode...and then it doesn't happen, and everything dies down again, and we forget about the supposedly huge news. Obviously, the MSM isn't going to carry something this important until it's too late for people to cover their asses...but from my perspective, it feels like we've had a lot of false alarms (or maybe I'm just not knowledgeable enough to recognize the subtle escalation). Half of me recognizes that this could have enormous tangible implications for everyone on earth...and the other half of me thinks it's an exaggerated threat, and we'll probably forget all about it come next month. Can anyone else help me make sense of this? Thanks.
 
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This is a really tangled web of news. I don't follow this stuff regularly, so I've honestly never heard of any of our sources here. Our own source is http://www.marketskeptics.com/2010/04/gold-manipulation-officially-confirmed.html, which is obviously a questionable-looking site. Its source for this article is http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=9921, and it has other sources for other articles. Is anyone else familiar enough with them to confirm their trustworthiness? (I ask because I'm wanting to make sure nobody's playing some propaganda webring game with us.)

We've all been waiting for "the big one" for a few years now, and it seems like every few months the apparent gold/silver ponzi scheme seems like it's about to explode...and then it doesn't happen, and everything dies down again, and we forget about the supposedly huge news. Obviously, the MSM isn't going to carry something this important until it's too late for people to cover their asses...but from my perspective, it feels like we've had a lot of false alarms (or maybe I'm just not knowledgeable enough to recognize the subtle escalation). Half of me recognizes that this could have enormous tangible implications for everyone on earth...and the other half of me thinks it's an exaggerated threat, and we'll probably forget all about it come next month. Can anyone else help me make sense of this? Thanks.

It's all true. The primary source is video from the CFTC hearings, which are all available online (probably easiest to get them from GATA's website).
 
This is a really tangled web of news. I don't follow this stuff regularly, so I've honestly never heard of any of our sources here. Our own source is http://www.marketskeptics.com/2010/04/gold-manipulation-officially-confirmed.html, which is obviously a questionable-looking site. Its source for this article is http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=9921, and it has other sources for other articles. Is anyone else familiar enough with them to confirm their trustworthiness? (I ask because I'm wanting to make sure nobody's playing some propaganda webring game with us.)

We've all been waiting for "the big one" for a few years now, and it seems like every few months the apparent gold/silver ponzi scheme seems like it's about to explode...and then it doesn't happen, and everything dies down again, and we forget about the supposedly huge news. Obviously, the MSM isn't going to carry something this important until it's too late for people to cover their asses...but from my perspective, it feels like we've had a lot of false alarms (or maybe I'm just not knowledgeable enough to recognize the subtle escalation). Half of me recognizes that this could have enormous tangible implications for everyone on earth...and the other half of me thinks it's an exaggerated threat, and we'll probably forget all about it come next month. Can anyone else help me make sense of this? Thanks.

If you haven't been to this web site, http://www.gata.org/ , I suggest you check it out. There are a lot of sources there that all seem to agree on what is happening with the gold and silver markets.
 
Thanks, guys. What about the strange coincidences surrounding this story, like the technical problems with broadcasts, fires at the CFTC, the hit-and-run on Andrew Maguire, etc.? Should we consider those rumors or substantiated facts? I'm sorry if I sound lazy, but I know you guys are much more on top of this.

As far as the implications go...
Do you guys concur with the article about it making the sub-prime crisis look like peanuts? Physical silver and gold have gone up, but if this bombshell is as big as it sounds, they haven't shot up nearly enough for the long-term ramifications of this to be anywhere near reflected in the price. tmosley, you mentioned in a thread about two weeks ago - warning us about this - that you were buying with both hands. ;) What are your projections on gold and silver prices? More importantly, how much do you expect this to affect international confidence in the dollar in particular?
 
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