Gold and Silver during the Great Depression

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Does anyone have any links or recommended texts which speak to gold and silver bullion, coins etc during the Great Depression. Specifically on how/if gold and silver coins and bullion were used as cash. If not the great depression, maybe some other geography or nation where gold and silver was used as currency during the collapse of the economy...

I am also looking for links/resources referencing to specific indicdents of seizure of gold and silver during the great depression.

Thanks for any help with this.
 
I am pretty sure that during the Great Depression USA was under a full gold standar.

Hugo
 
Good question...it'd also be interesting to see what happened in Argentina (during the 90s) and what is currently taking place in Iceland. My guess is that the use of foreign currency is more common place than precious metals in every day transacations during a hyperinflationary scenario. Of course, there will always be some holdouts, like this fellow trying to purchase three eggs in Zimbawbe.

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Does anyone have any links or recommended texts which speak to gold and silver bullion, coins etc during the Great Depression. Specifically on how/if gold and silver coins and bullion were used as cash. If not the great depression, maybe some other geography or nation where gold and silver was used as currency during the collapse of the economy...

I am also looking for links/resources referencing to specific indicdents of seizure of gold and silver during the great depression.

Thanks for any help with this.

I suggest you look at the coins prior to the 1963. They were silver.
 
Good question...it'd also be interesting to see what happened in Argentina (during the 90s) and what is currently taking place in Iceland. My guess is that the use of foreign currency is more common place than precious metals in every day transacations during a hyperinflationary scenario. Of course, there will always be some holdouts, like this fellow trying to purchase three eggs in Zimbawbe.

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Argentina basically used US dollars. The only reason is because there are a bunch of USD circulating around the world already so there were already plenty of USD going around. We don't have any foreign currencies in this country. Yes, more people used USD, but that doesn't mean they won't accept gold and silver. In fact, the people holding any gold or silver can buy well more than anyone who holds a USD.
 
Wow!

Good question...it'd also be interesting to see what happened in Argentina (during the 90s) and what is currently taking place in Iceland. My guess is that the use of foreign currency is more common place than precious metals in every day transacations during a hyperinflationary scenario. Of course, there will always be some holdouts, like this fellow trying to purchase three eggs in Zimbawbe.

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Look at the SIZE of those eggs! They must be monkey eggs or something and THAT is why they cost so much! :D
 
Good question...it'd also be interesting to see what happened in Argentina (during the 90s) and what is currently taking place in Iceland. My guess is that the use of foreign currency is more common place than precious metals in every day transacations during a hyperinflationary scenario. Of course, there will always be some holdouts, like this fellow trying to purchase three eggs in Zimbawbe.

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I heard Karmabanque on youtube (the Max Kaiser radio program) and they were saying that they recieved a letter from a guy from Iceland thanking them for the recomendation to buy gold. The guy said that everybody was desesperate but that his gold was worth a lot now and that he was ok just becouse of the gold. I dont trust Max Kaiser too much, but it sounds posible.

Hugo
 
Here's an article written by someone from Argentina who lived through this. He has some other advice on his blog as well.

http://ferfal.blogspot.com/search?q=currency+exchange

About using gold or other forms of foreign currency after the crisis (old post)

You’re the smartest son of a gun around, you bought some gold , silver, Euros or other form of currency which is not crumbing so as to keep your eggs in different baskets, as they say.

So one day you wake up, people are going nuts for whatever reason and they are cautiously trying to close their bank accounts..
Within hours they are not that cautious anymore “Give me my damn money!… or else” Of course there no liquidity to compensate for such a demand.
Banks close, ATMs run dry, no one accepts plastic or checks, good time to lay low, stay at home watching the news, eating popcorn and watch that movie with your wife again.

Careful! If she wants to see “Sleepless in Seattle” with Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan yet again… KEEP YOUR GUNS LOOCKED AND AMMO FAR AWAY… you MAY try to blow your brains out 5 minutes into the movie.

“Runaway Bride “ can cause brain damage too. You’ve been warned.

Sooner or later banks re open again, but they have a new set of rules you may not like that much, like not returning your property, your hard earned money.
Yup, some people don’t dig that, and they tend to get really pissed.
The good part is that banks immediately stop advertising on TV, you know all that BS about X Bank being there for you, helping your company grow , part of the community BS. It took nearly a year for banks to start advertising again, and until last year you could STILL see on some banks downtown clients banging the front of the bank buildings with hammers.

Ok, back to topic.
You’ll soon find out that it’s very hard to pull through with a 50 or 100 buck cash withdraw limit, and it may take days or weeks before even that is allowed.

But you have your savings, right?

What happened hear was that soon enough “street brokers”, money dealers, started popping up on boulevards and populated down town areas. You just walk by, see a guy doing nothing but whispering “change , change”, that’s your man.

It’s not really safe to make an exchange right on the street. It worked that way for years, but today most money dealers have a “front”.
The guy I deal with most of the time has a drug store. You walk in and you only see pens, candy, office supplies, watches and a few pocket knives, but the guy’s “real” business is buying and selling pesos, dollars and Euros. I don’t buy other currencies, but I’m sure he has Brazilian money to, and there are other guys that will take PM. Thousands and thousands of dollars go through this guy’s hands.
Those that have pawn or antique shops may specialize on dealing with PM, diamonds and expensive jewelry. But your average dealer works with paper money , gold and other PM in some occasions.

Why not go to the bank or exchange houses? Well, for many months or even years, there was a limit to how much money you could change (100 USD, if I remember correctly), and even then you had to leave all your personal information, and the exchange rate was better in the black market anyway, so that’s why most people still prefer the black market.

You wont be buying what you need with gold Pandas or 100 Euro bills, many folks will readily accept it , but you wont be getting much of a fair exchange rate, so that’s why you’ll usually prefer a money dealer.

Here’s some tips on how I generally handle things. Please guys, I’m just a regular guy that’s simply been doing this for a while now , but don’t expect any ninja BS touch of death or 007 secret password. Just some experience and common sense, take it or leave it, and come to your own conclusions and share if you come up with more advice. It’s worked ok for me so far.

1) Move around small amounts of currency if possible.
You may get a few points more if you exchange larger quantities of money ( it is a temptation sometimes), but you are also risking it much more. I’d rather loose 4 or 5 bucks and only change 100 Euros or 200 Euros or USD at a time. Same would go for gold and other PM. Don’t be stupid and show up with a pocket full of gold coins or jewelry. Anyone can notice, even the money dealer might be tempted into kidnapping you if he thinks you are loaded.

2) Try different dealers.
At least at first, deal with different kind of folks until you find one you like more, then deal with that guy more often, always checking you are getting a fair exchange rate.
If you have a friend or relative that can advice you on fair dealers, even better.
Once a few months went by and you feel you can trust that guy, deal with him the most.
This isn’t exactly a walk in the park, most of these guys are right there on the limit of law, expect to run into some less than pleasant people. Just make sure you don’t go into buildings far from public areas or out of sight from the sidewalk, always try to stay as public and as close from exits as possible.
I’ve dealt with over a dozen of guys like these, they are not all saints. I had a couple of risky encounters, do not do this kind of business while going along with family members ( wife, kids).
An “able-bodied” buddy.. shall we call him… would be a good idea.

3) Spend the collapsed currency fast!
The trick is not having the collapsed currency with you for long. It should burn your hands. Use it up right after you exchange it.
Example. If the USD crashes and you decide to sell some PM to buy a month’s worth of supplies, do it quickly, sell the PM or Euros or whatever other solid currency you have and use the dollars that same day or the following day at most.
You do this because the collapsed buck is like a sand castle, it can fall apart within hours.
Say you sold your Euros at a 1 Euro :3 USD rate, and the following morning Oprah said that she had a dream about a 1:6 rate and all of a sudden people loose even more trust in the currency and it falls to 1 Euro: 4 USD. Any silly or not so silly thing sinks the fallen currency even deeper.
Other than a few 100 bills for emergency use, don’t risk keeping large amounts of collapsed currency. It’ll rot faster than bananas.

4)Keep your BIG mouth SHUT!
Don’t tell ANYONE about your savings. While you are better off, there’s people out there that cant put food on the table, and its not some skinny kid in Africa, its your neighbor or the guy that works next to you. Desperate times call for desperate measures and some people will do anything. We often hear about people getting tortured during home invasions just to make sure he give up any booty they may have hidden.

5)Be careful and stay alert while doing business.
Leave the car in different parking lots, always take different routes while walking back to the car and driving back home, if possible walk into malls where you may loose people following you or drive through other places, anything you can do to blur any fixed route or schedule a person may notice.
Try not to use any clothes that can distinguish you from the rest or attract attention, apply the “gray man” approach more than ever.
I try not to have any bags or any other object in hand when doing this, so as to have both hands available in case someone wants to mug/kidnap me. Just an old pair of Nikes , worn jeans and T shirt, the car key, pocket knife and the money I’ll be changing.
When you have no other option but to sell larger quantities of currency, you may want to use concealed body armor and carry a concealed weapon.

6)Be fast.
Use a calculator to make sure you’re getting paid properly, walk in, say hi, make the transaction quickly, give a handshake and be done with it, try not to stay in there too long.
The more you stay, the greater the chances of someone spotting you or organizing something against you.
 
In the Great Depresssion people did not have money to buy gold with. If it was not rixed by the dollar being on a gold standard I would expect the price to collapse. In some countries (I recently saw the report on TV so I don't have any links) the people who are buying gold are shutting down because they have more coming in than they can resell which means they do not have money to buy more gold from people.
 
I heard Karmabanque on youtube (the Max Kaiser radio program) and they were saying that they recieved a letter from a guy from Iceland thanking them for the recomendation to buy gold. The guy said that everybody was desesperate but that his gold was worth a lot now and that he was ok just becouse of the gold. I dont trust Max Kaiser too much, but it sounds posible.

Hugo

go over to the kitco forums.. there are a number of threads on there covering the crisis in Iceland and how the people with gold are getting by. Here's the latest one.. if you dig back a bit (there have been a number of topics) you'll find where appel talks about how he tried to get others there to buy gold or silver a year or so ago and they didn't. He's doing ok..
 
In the Great Depresssion people did not have money to buy gold with. If it was not rixed by the dollar being on a gold standard I would expect the price to collapse. In some countries (I recently saw the report on TV so I don't have any links) the people who are buying gold are shutting down because they have more coming in than they can resell which means they do not have money to buy more gold from people.

did you just say the price of gold would have collapsed in the Great Depression had it not been fixed? Not for nothing, but the market determines what the proper price of gold is, and at $20, the people decided gold was better and they all ran in to cash out their dollars for gold. There wasn't enough, and FDR then outlawed owning gold forcing people to turn it in. When he set it at $35, it was above the free market value, and gold poured in from other countries as a result. Regardless of where you think gold was going back then, it was going above $20 and below $35. Of course, we all know where it went from $35.
 
Hey guys, thanks for the comments so far. I am definitely going to look into those links.

I am curious as to direct transaction that have taken place in the absence of sound currency or functional fiat money. Things like a silver coin for some meat and bread or a gold coin traded for fuel, this sort of thing. What I find interesting is how value gets adjusted when pure silver and gold coinage becomes direct currency. How does the face value come into play? How is change given due to the limited selections of coin weights and value? How does pricing work in these scenarios? I there must be some odd chaotic period until a universal value scale emerges that forms the standardization for things, but I am not sure.
 
Hey guys, thanks for the comments so far. I am definitely going to look into those links.

I am curious as to direct transaction that have taken place in the absence of sound currency or functional fiat money. Things like a silver coin for some meat and bread or a gold coin traded for fuel, this sort of thing. What I find interesting is how value gets adjusted when pure silver and gold coinage becomes direct currency. How does the face value come into play? How is change given due to the limited selections of coin weights and value? How does pricing work in these scenarios? I there must be some odd chaotic period until a universal value scale emerges that forms the standardization for things, but I am not sure.

face value means nothing. A silver dime has a face value of 10 cents but will sell for more than 10 times it's face value. Hold onto your nickels. As sad as it sounds, it is the best form of honest money we have in circulation today. It's melt value hit 5 cents earlier this year and will hit it again. In hyperinflation, coins tend to disappear but they do have inherent value. There is also precedent for keeping the existing coinage in circulation and revaluing it once a new currency is introduced to replace a destroyed one.
 
Yeah I know the face value is arbitrary. But I am wondering how prices/value are set or determined during a period of collapse.
 
I got food and PM's you have a few silver rounds and haven't eatin in days, I'd let you eat for one, I'd give you one bullet for one, and gallon of distilled water for the other one
 
Personally, I would never be worried about starving. I have a substantial stock of .458 SOCOM for my favorite AR.

But I do get what you mean about individualized value, I am looking for any sort of historical indications, recent incidents, which tell us how a market adjusts/evolves during currency collapse. Particularly how value is established on the smaller market scale not at the level of individual barter.
 
Yeah I know the face value is arbitrary. But I am wondering how prices/value are set or determined during a period of collapse.

the market. Market forces have determined price stability before all our computers even existed.
 
I know this is not detailed info, but your question reminded me of it...

I bought a book about the history of the community where I grew up, you know, one of those little paperback deals the local historical society usually puts together? Anyways...

The book includes the story of a local wealthy citizen who, prior to the WoNA reaching that town, took $5000 in gold and buried it.

After the WoNA was over, he dug up his gold, and used it to fund a lot of rebuilding, etc, for that area.

The local middle school is named after that guy....:)
 
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