God and religion are not the solutions to school shootings

Smart3 said:
If someone does not accept the existence of a being, they can not "hate" said being.
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What happens with God is that people's hatred of God motivates them to convince themselves that they reject his existence. Nobody really does though.
 
erowe1 said:
If that's the case, then those twisted religious ideas could well be part of the problem. And if they could be corrected, that could well be part of the solution.
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But those "twisted religious ideas" come from a deranged place initially. The root of the problem needs to be addressed, not so much the result of it.
 
liveandletlive said:
i agree with this.

i also believe that the increase in population has lead to more victims - both by natural disasters/acts of god and random acts of human violence.

honestly i dont know how any religious person (many of whom i respect here) can say we need more religion here.

the kid was CRAZY. He had no capacity for empathy. How the hell can putting religion in his head affect him in a positive way. He was gonna kill regardless
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Exactly. It's just another excuse for the hyper religious to push their own agenda.
 
Toxic said:
But those "twisted religious ideas" come from a deranged place initially. The root of the problem needs to be addressed, not so much the result of it.
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It seems like you're making an assumption that deranged religious ideas aren't the root. Maybe they aren't. But maybe they are.
 
Tpoints said:
What kind of arrogance is that? You think just because you don't believe in God you get to call somebody stupid? Did you know our founding fathers all believed in God, and Ron Paul does too?
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Who cares what Ron Paul thinks about faith? It's irrelevant. I, for one, agree with Ron on a great many things but do disagree with some of his positions.Liberty movement has never ever been about the man. Those who think it has and continue to fall back on that argument when they have nothing else to offer are a large part of many problems that we have.


We need more Annie Druyan's. In this discussion Annie describes the mindset brilliantly. It's not about believing in God. Just because some people seem to think they have all of the answers and no more questions are required because of their self rightous notion does not make them right. In fact, it makes them look foolish as a generation starts to wake up and see the notion for what it is. The same generation that Religion and it's political trustees have kicked to the curb, forgotten about, removed from relavance and thankfully left them to turn to a community of critical thinkers who value their relevance in a nation during great change both technologically and socially. Some people require more questions be asked before they just go blindly accepting things with no questions whatsoever. Doesn't mean they hate God just because they don't blindly accept your version of what God is based upon blind faith and a book that is highly questionable whether many who reference it as the authority even translate it correctly. It means they look a little harder for "God".

I tell you what. If we had a decent science thread around here some people wouldn't have free reign to just go spewing the bs fodder they do like everyone just has to play along with the narrative. I'm so tired of having to discuss relevant things under controlled terms of controversy.

 
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erowe1 said:
What happens with God is that people's hatred of God motivates them to convince themselves that they reject his existence. Nobody really does though.
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You got me. Instead of believing in Jesus and getting a palatial estate, I'd rather pretend he isn't the Creator, and get a nice cozy spot in Hell instead.

Makes perfect sense.
 
erowe1 said:
It seems like you're making an assumption that deranged religious ideas aren't the root. Maybe they aren't. But maybe they are.
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The religious aspect is moot because it can be replaced with anything else. It doesn't matter if it's religious, family oriented, business oriented, or whatever else. It's not about how religion is twisted around, but how the mind is twisted.
 
Toxic said:
The religious aspect is moot because it can be replaced with anything else. It doesn't matter if it's religious, family oriented, business oriented, or whatever else. It's not about how religion is twisted around, but how the mind is twisted.
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Maybe. But again, it seems like you're just assuming that.
 
erowe1 said:
Maybe. But again, it seems like you're just assuming that.
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I don't claim to have all the facts on any particular case. But the acts of this murderer (and any similar type of murderer) come from a place that cannot be fixed with religion or any type of reasoning.
 
Tpoints said:
Just because I think Ron Paul is right about almost everything, doesn't mean he's a cult leader.
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I'm not saying he is. I'm saying you're trying to make him into one. If Ron Paul eats Cheerios, will you say everyone must now eat Cheerios?
 
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