God and religion are not the solutions to school shootings

[Toxic]

I was listening to the Bauer & Rose show on Sirius/XM, and they're constantly talking about how if people in this country just had faith in God, we wouldn't have all these shootings going on. They made a case that if people believe humans are a product of evolution and not creationism, they're more likely to not value life and have less of a problem taking it.

These two neo cons irritate the hell out of me. I love religion and a person's faith in God doesn't bother at all. But to imply that these shootings could have been prevented if only the shooters were given some religious teachings it asinine. Most of these murderers had some types of mental illnesses and were on way too many meds. Talking God to a person who isn't in their right state of mind is pointless. Their brains don't function like ours do. And let's not forget how many people throughout history DID have strong beliefs in God and murdered in huge scales because they felt they were doing God's will.

Guns aren't the problem and the lack of religion isn't the problem. Mental instability is the problem, PERIOD!

 

[CaptUSA]

People use tragedies as justification for what they already believe.

Some people want more God, some people want fewer guns, some people want a less violent culture, some people care about mental illness... So when you look at things through your own filter, the reasons for the tragedy become obvious to you, but ridiculous to others.

Personally, I think the problem is a lack of responsible care of firearms by a relatively small number of people. You can't let your weapons out of your control (like this kid's mother did). And you can't legislate solutions - it's about responsibility.

 

[Toxic]

People use tragedies as justification for what they already believe.

Some people want more God, some people want fewer guns, some people want a less violent culture, some people care about mental illness... So when you look at things through your own filter, the reasons for the tragedy become obvious to you, but ridiculous to others.

Personally, I think the problem is a lack of responsible care of firearms by a relatively small number of people. You can't let your weapons out of your control (like this kid's mother did). And you can't legislate solutions - it's about responsibility.

I agree completely. There's no reason why that twisted kid should have been able to get to his mom's guns. But the root of the issue still lied within him. Even if he couldn't get at the guns, he would have taken his anger out some other way. Had he been mentally stable, there wouldn't have been any threat at all.

 

[jmdrake]

I wonder what they think of drone strikes that kill children?

I was listening to the Bauer & Rose show on Sirius/XM, and they're constantly talking about how if people in this country just had faith in God, we wouldn't have all these shootings going on. They made a case that if people believe humans are a product of evolution and not creationism, they're more likely to not value life and have less of a problem taking it.

These two neo cons irritate the hell out of me. I love religion and a person's faith in God doesn't bother at all. But to imply that these shootings could have been prevented if only the shooters were given some religious teachings it asinine. Most of these murderers had some types of mental illnesses and were on way too m
any meds. Talking God to a person who isn't in their right state of mind is pointless. Their brains don't function like ours do. And let's not forget how many people throughout history DID have strong beliefs in God and murdered in huge scales because they felt they were doing God's will.

Guns aren't the problem and the lack of religion isn't the problem. Mental instability is the problem, PERIOD!

 

[KrokHead]

If people followed "love thy neighbor" there wouldn't be a single problem. Problem is we don't.

 

[erowe1]

I don't know. The spiritual condition of these people may well be part of the problem. Their moral convictions may be part of it. Satanic forces are surely a part of it.

I don't know enough about the specifics of any of these stories to know exactly about all those things. But I definitely wouldn't rule any of them out.

I can agree that guns definitely aren't the problem. I can't say that so quickly about these other factors.

 

[AFPVet]

Spirituality and some religions have positive influences upon the morals and 'wiring' of individuals in society; however, it's no magic bullet. SSRIs can still make a spiritual person go crazy.

 

[VIDEODROME]

If they're refering to school schootings I don't think most kids really grasp this stuff even if you send them to Catachism.

In fact as others have mentioned, the person may be disturbed and just carry twisted religious ideas in their head. Perhaps building strange altars and even praying for the success of their mission of killing.

 

[erowe1]

In fact as others have mentioned, the person may be disturbed and just carry twisted religious ideas in their head. Perhaps building strange altars and even praying for the success of their mission of killing.

If that's the case, then those twisted religious ideas could well be part of the problem. And if they could be corrected, that could well be part of the solution.

 

[liveandletlive]

People use tragedies as justification for what they already believe.

Some people want more God, some people want fewer guns, some people want a less violent culture, some people care about mental illness... So when you look at things through your own filter, the reasons for the tragedy become obvious to you, but ridiculous to others.

Personally, I think the problem is a lack of responsible care of firearms by a relatively small number of people. You can't let your weapons out of your control (like this kid's mother did). And you can't legislate solutions - it's about responsibility.

i agree with this.

i also believe that the increase in population has lead to more victims - both by natural disasters/acts of god and random acts of human violence.

honestly i dont know how any religious person (many of whom i respect here) can say we need more religion here.

the kid was CRAZY. He had no capacity for empathy. How the hell can putting religion in his head affect him in a positive way. He was gonna kill regardless

 

[Tpoints]

you're just saying that because you hate God and you want to believe you're a random accident

 

[Smart3]

Am I the only one who thinks these killers would have actually killed more if they were Christian or Muslim? I doubt they'd have killed themselves and there would have instead been a shootout with the less-armed cops, resulting in more deaths.

you're just saying that because you hate God and you want to believe you're a random accident

I do hope this is fake, but in case you actually meant this, how stupid could you possibly be?

If someone does not accept the existence of a being, they can not "hate" said being. I do not hate the monster under my bed anymore than I hate the monster you worship.

And no one - and I mean no one - believes life is a "random accident". If they for some strange reason believed that, they are no less delusional than those who believe that the Creator of the Universe Himself/Herself/Itself appointed them to be the leader of all his billion followers.

 

[fisharmor]

The solution to school shootings is to eliminate the schools.
It makes zero sense to start pontificating about how some undefined god can fix this, when the entire purpose of schools in this country is to catechise our youth in the true worship of the state-god.

 

[Tpoints]

I do hope this is fake, but in case you actually meant this, how stupid could you possibly be?

What kind of arrogance is that? You think just because you don't believe in God you get to call somebody stupid? Did you know our founding fathers all believed in God, and Ron Paul does too?

 

[Tpoints]

If someone does not accept the existence of a being, they can not "hate" said being. I do not hate the monster under my bed anymore than I hate the monster you worship.

Analogy fail, we don't have people running around saying they are amonsterists, because they are not so insecure as to have to declare they are a "non believer" of something they know doesn't exist. To the contrary, atheists are so afraid of God they must constantly push their fear and hatred to show people who unbelieving they are.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Am I the only one who thinks these killers would have actually killed more if they were Christian or Muslim? I doubt they'd have killed themselves and there would have instead been a shootout with the less-armed cops, resulting in more deaths.


I do hope this is fake, but in case you actually meant this, how stupid could you possibly be?

If someone does not accept the existence of a being, they can not "hate" said being. I do not hate the monster under my bed anymore than I hate the monster you worship.

And no one - and I mean no one - believes life is a "random accident". If they for some strange reason believed that, they are no less delusional than those who believe that the Creator of the Universe Himself/Herself/Itself appointed them to be the leader of all his billion followers.

I has responded similarly to how you did but then right before I went to click add reply I said to myself...meh...why bother. It's always a one sided paradigm.

 

[Smart3]

What kind of arrogance is that? You think just because you don't believe in God you get to call somebody stupid? Did you know our founding fathers all believed in God, and Ron Paul does too?

It's the exact opposite, but I can see there is no reasoning with you. You disgust me. Thankfully, there won't be anyone following your death cult in 100 years.

I has responded similarly to how you did but then right before I went to click add reply I said to myself...meh...why bother. It's always a one sided paradigm.

These are a dying breed, their extinction is their own doing.

In an "Atheist Utopia", there would be no death. If not for the rise of this ideology, we would have been on the Moon by 800CE.

Analogy fail, we don't have people running around saying they are amonsterists, because they are not so insecure as to have to declare they are a "non believer" of something they know doesn't exist. To the contrary, atheists are so afraid of God they must constantly push their fear and hatred to show people who unbelieving they are.

Personally I only use the word 'atheist' because there are theists around. In a world without theism, there would be no need for the word atheist.

I'm not afraid of a being that doesn't even have a definition. There is literally no reason to believe in Theism. This is 2012, not 212.

 

[Toxic]

I wonder what they think of drone strikes that kill children?

Oh, that they're fine with.

 

[Toxic]

If people followed "love thy neighbor" there wouldn't be a single problem. Problem is we don't.

Yes, but that term means nothing to someone who's mentally ill.

 

[Tpoints]

Oh, that they're fine with.

Muslim children no less