GMO labeling on the Ballot in Oregon

[Natural Citizen]

Sadly, I wish I hadn't been right on this. But it's certainly interesting that my projection was spot-on accurate.

Yeah, that's good stuff. Useful stuff. It's always a plus when we're perfect in practice instead of practicing to be perfect, I always say. Helps to prepare us to get it done when we absolutely must. Heh...

 

[PRB]

Troll?

Brain lesions?

I don't know and I don't care.

Trying to hold a rational conversation with you is like trying to herd cats, only herding cats makes more sense and is more profitable. You make no rational sense whatsoever. You draw the most wildly nonsequitur inferences such that I cannot imagine what you are thinking... or whether.

I will have to refrain from further wasting my time.

Have a nice day.

You can just answer the question, or you can pretend like you're too smart to answer and pour the insults on me like I care. Too bad for you, you lost. (Because I said so, got a problem with that?)

 

[PRB]

It always ignores that fact these these ballot initiatives are being driven by the organic lobbying organizations

Yeah, but they're not corporations, so they're good people. Corporations & rich people are bad, poor peasants are good. Government is bad when it doesn't stand with the little guy. Only little guys are people, rich people are subhumans.

, who stand to lose their entire livelihoods if people figure out that there's no advantage to eating their over-priced designer foods.

Can't blame them for looking out for their own interests, it's just what any human being does, I can only refuse to eat their shit (no pun intended).

"Oh noes! We haz to stop making food more nutritious for less money, 'cos then nobody will buy ourz! Quick - let's ban the competitions products...tell people lies, and scare them with stories we can't back up!"

You know what's funny? Evil Monsanto hasn't spent money demonizing organic foods (or did I miss it?)

 

[Natural Citizen]

You know what's funny? Evil Monsanto hasn't spent money demonizing organic foods (or did I miss it?)

What you have to do is pay attention to things like the recent Foarm Bill. These industries like Monsanto and others use government processes for their dirty work.

This is just one of many discussions on the subject. There are more around here, I'm sure of it.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...anic-Farming&p=5542114&viewfull=1#post5542114

After the passing of the recent farm bill that basically says that if you plant these gmos we'll give you the subsidies, and given the fact that farmers are beginning to understand that the "substantially equivalent" model they have been sold by agribusiness is complete hogwash it was obvious that the organic farms would come under attack with sudden regulation. Especially considering that a lot of the so called/self professed "statesmen" who claim to be against the nanny state were the bill's biggest beneficiaries who own the largest farms, and, of course, we should expect big agribusiness money to start lining these representatives and state's pockets soon as well since the farmers are waking up to the monopoly and this is understood to be a threat. Congressman Mike Pompeo sure was the beneficiary of some Industry money.

Also, I had linked to discussion on just that model earlier in this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...e-profitable&p=5494506&viewfull=1#post5494506

Yes but this thing that we're seeing from Koch Industires, Monsanto and Congressman Mike Popeo getting together to enforce industry backed legislation in order to disfranchise the citizens/states right of access to information regarding what they are putting into their bodies seems like blowback to the growing market opposition (globally now). Given the inability and/or lack of interest by our so called representatives in representing the people in favor of Industry, banks, corporations and every other too big to fail, I'd expect to see maneuvering for a requirement that farmers grow nothing but their genetically modified products. By introducing this industry backed legislation that voids the rights of citizens to access this kind of information, they have pretty much declared themselves to be completely against freedom. I doubt the'll stop at prohibiting labeling.

The recent Farm Bill was a clear indicator of this. After the passing of the recent farm bill that basically says that if you plant these gmos we'll give you the subsidies, and given the fact that farmers are beginning to understand that the "substantially equivalent" model they have been sold by agribusiness is complete hogwash it was obvious that the organic farms would come under attack with sudden regulation. Especially considering that a lot of the fake statesmen who claim to be against the nanny state were the bill's biggest beneficiaries who own the largest farms and of course, we should expect big agribusiness money to start lining these representatives and state's pockets soon as well since the farmers are waking up to the monopoly and this is understood to be a threat. Pompeo sure was the beneficiary of some Industry money.

It's predictable that not only organic farmers but citizens and states rights themselves would come under attack as we are seeing now with this Koch/Monsanto/Pompeo skullduggery.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Sadly, I wish I hadn't been right on this. But it's certainly interesting that my projection was spot-on accurate.

Oop. Almost.

[TD="align: left"]Yes Votes
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 744,431
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 49.86%
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]

[TD="align: left"] No Votes
[/TD]
[TD="align: left"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 748,580
[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 50.14%
[/TD]

One thing that I would just briefly add, invisible, is that the way that it works with this stuff is that the votes need to be certified. Counting them doesn't really mean anything until they are certified. And so what you see reported are what we call certified votes. They aren't considered a legit vote or added to the tally until they are certified. That said, there are still a lot of votes that aren't reported because they just aren't certified yet, and, really, we won't have a clear cut answer to the totals until the 24th of November. And, of course, that is almost a week out front of us.

 

[libertarianinternational]

No he didn't, but I am soooo going to copy and paste this comment in the pro-science group I frequent because it's the funniest thing I've read all week.

Science is the realm of the globalist elite. He understands his own body better than anyone else. I thought all libertarians supported that principle. He's eaten organic all his life, we grew up on a farm out in Kansas. He was over at his friend's house and she gave him standard Wal-Mart vegetables, one week later and he's got Hep-B. I don't know whether the disease is actually implanted in the vegetables or not, but there is definitely some sort of relationship between the disease and GMOs.

 

[PRB]

Science is the realm of the globalist elite. He understands his own body better than anyone else. I thought all libertarians supported that principle.

There's a difference between having the right to do what you want with your body regardless of whether you understanding it, and actually understanding it.

He's eaten organic all his life, we grew up on a farm out in Kansas. He was over at his friend's house and she gave him standard Wal-Mart vegetables, one week later and he's got Hep-B.

Because Hep B suddenly comes like that, one week before he was perfectly normal. He was monitoring his liver every day.

I don't know whether the disease is actually implanted in the vegetables or not

I can tell you it's not. I work for Monsanto and we don't implant Hep B in our crops, we kill people with direct poison efficiently, not slowly with diseases that'll benefit the medical pharma complex.

, but there is definitely some sort of relationship between the disease and GMOs.

Yes, because everybody gets diseases and eats GMOs.

 

[libertarianinternational]

There's a difference between having the right to do what you want with your body regardless of whether you understanding it, and actually understanding it.



Because Hep B suddenly comes like that, one week before he was perfectly normal. He was monitoring his liver every day.



I can tell you it's not. I work for Monsanto and we don't implant Hep B in our crops, we kill people with direct poison efficiently, not slowly with diseases that'll benefit the medical pharma complex.



Yes, because everybody gets diseases and eats GMOs.

You think Monsanto opposes big Pharma? Nope, they work hand in hand. Big Pharma lobbies on their behalf and profits in return when people get ill. Two wings of the same Big Science bird.

 

[PRB]

You think Monsanto opposes big Pharma? Nope, they work hand in hand. Big Pharma lobbies on their behalf and profits in return when people get ill. Two wings of the same Big Science bird.

You hate science, I get it. Now get your conspiracy theories straight.

 

[Natural Citizen]

You hate science, I get it. Now get your conspiracy theories straight.

This practice that we see from some of these mercantilist western industries is not science in any way. Cripes, one week they're doing their own private testing and the next week their working for the fda and approving their own so called research.There is no independent, time consuming, research. What a couple of folks do, and I think this is funny, is that they go around claiming to be pro-science in order to paint some kind of picture that others who disagree with them are anti-science. What they stimulate is the notion of corporate consumption models. That's not science in any way and I'd challenge either of you who play that game to a debate on the scientific method any day of the week. Real science. Well, I think there are only two of you who do this but it'd be a hoot to hear the scientific models that make you so pro-science and those who oppose you anti-science. Standing up on a political podium toasting and chugging super big gulps isn't science, btw. That's something else and we can get into that if'n you'd be so kind to whistle for dixie. I'm sure she's around.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Update. Tick tock...tick tock...

[TD="class: candname"]Yes
[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]749,505
[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]49.95%
[/TD]

[TD="class: candname win"]No
[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]750,989
[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]50.05%
[/TD]

That said, there are still a lot of votes that aren't counte/reported because they just aren't certified yet, and, really, we won't have a clear cut answer to the totals until the 24th of November. All of that is still happening.

 

[invisible]

Well, it looks like they get the automatic recount. Either way, I think it'll end up going to a lawsuit.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Well, it looks like they get the automatic recount. Either way, I think it'll end up going to a lawsuit.

I'm still betting on my initial prediction that it passes by a thousand. But, yes. Lawsuits. Cripes, we see what they're doing in Maui after the people outright banned GMOs through the political process.

But if it does pass then it does. If it doesn't then that is what it is as well. Is only the beginning what we are seeing here. 2016 is right around the corner and the people have something to say. Will make it's way to Washington. Make no mistake. If some in Washington think that they can continue to place their fingers in their ears and hide from the issue and the voice of the people then they are both foolish and mistaken.

 

[donnay]

Update. Tick tock...tick tock...

[TD="class: candname"]Yes
[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]749,505
[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]49.95%
[/TD]

[TD="class: candname win"]No
[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]750,989
[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]50.05%
[/TD]

That said, there are still a lot of votes that aren't counte/reported because they just aren't certified yet, and, really, we won't have a clear cut answer to the totals until the 24th of November. All of that is still happening.

Hmm...getting closer and closer.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Hmm...getting closer and closer.

Between you and I, it's technically only a 489 vote difference at the moment. Shhhhhhh.

 

[donnay]

Between you and I, it's technically only a 489 vote difference at the moment. Shhhhhhh.

Scouts honor. Mum's the word.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Scouts honor. Mum's the word.

That was supposed to be a pm.

A little over 7,000 ballots were due to be counted from Multnomah alone and the addition of some of those closed the gap significantly. Elsewhere, there are more. The deadline for counting/reporting outstanding votes to the Oregon Secretary of State is Monday, November 24...5 p.m.


http://www.statesmanjournal.com/sto...gmo-labeling-measure-now-close-call/70035676/

The gap between yes and no votes on Measure 92 has closed to less than 1,500, meaning a recount is a near-certainty.

Although the opposition and news outlets called the close race for opponents the day after Election Day, votes continue to be counted and the gap has continued to narrow.

The Yes on 92 campaign never conceded, and worked furiously to reach out to 13,000 voters whose ballots had signature problems. Voters had until Nov. 18 to fix those problems and have their ballots counted.

"We had our grassroots volunteers in counties statewide, reaching out to people and helping them resolve the issues with their ballots," said Kevin Glenn, Yes on 92 campaign spokesman.

In addition, Washington, Multnomah and a few other counties still are counting ballots, said Tony Green, spokesman for the Secretary of State's office.

Emphasis - Mine

 

[Natural Citizen]

This is Benn Swann (RT) discussing the recent changes in vote count but they don't have the latest numbers here because the difference has decreased significantly. I will add the accurate numbers here as well as share a different report with a better explanation of how this was able to happen. I just can't link to it directly so will add a link to the end of this posting.

Currently...

[TD="class: candname"]Yes
[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]749,505
[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]49.95%
[/TD]

[TD="class: candname win"]No
[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]750,989
[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]50.05%
[/TD]

Here is the second, more explanatory video on how the comeback and likely flip occurred... http://www.kptv.com/story/27434659/gmo-ballot-measure-too-close-to-call

 

[PRB]

This is Benn Swann (RT) discussing the recent changes in vote count but they don't have the latest numbers here because the difference has decreased significantly. I will add the accurate numbers here as well as share a different report with a better explanation of how this was able to happen. I just can't link to it directly so will add a link to the end of this posting.

Currently...

[TD="class: candname"]Yes[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]749,505[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]49.95%[/TD]

[TD="class: candname win"]No[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]750,989[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]50.05%[/TD]

Here is the second, more explanatory video on how the comeback and likely flip occurred... http://www.kptv.com/story/27434659/gmo-ballot-measure-too-close-to-call

500 votes? holy shit.

Somebody forgot to bribe Diebold?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Update...

[TD="class: candname"]Yes
[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]752,163
[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]49.96%
[/TD]

[TD="class: candname win"]No
[/TD]
[TD="class: candbar"][/TD]
[TD="class: candvote"]753,239
[/TD]
[TD="class: candpct"]50.04%
[/TD]

I suppose folks are seeing the pattern here as I update these numbers. Right?