GMO labeling on the Ballot in Oregon

[donnay]

Me too! And no govt mandate required.

For now...I do not recall asking government to jump on board with organics...but government did, and now we have to be concerned about organic ingredients.

I am all for government out of all of this.

 

[Deborah K]

For now...I do not recall asking government to jump on board with organics...but government did, and now we have to be concerned about organic ingredients.

I am all for government out of all of this.

Same here. But until then, fighting fire with fire may be a necessary evil. Sometimes the end justifies the means.

 

[donnay]

Same here. But until then, fighting fire with fire may be a necessary evil. Sometimes the end justifies the means.

Indeed. Why people cannot see their blatant hypocrisy is beyond me.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Heh. $25 million, the out of state chemical companies spent to oppose the citizens of Oregon and their ballot initiative for a right to know what they eat. Look at how close this is. Gosh. Moving forward...

Food labeling
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[Jackie Moon]

Maybe I shouldn't admit it because it seems to be unpopular here... but I voted no.

Not because I support GMO food... whether GMO is bad or not is a separate issue from whether the government should be mandating food labels.

I know they already do for certain things, but I'd rather get of that requirement than to add new ones.

Consumer pressure mandates the labeling of calories and stuff now, not government.

If you removed the mandate to have nutrition labels, food manufacturers would still keep them because they wouldn't want to lose the millions of customers that read nutrition labels.

When I buy local, I ask the farmer right up front whether the fruits and vegetables come from organic heirloom seeds. If they stutter, or stagger in anyway with a response, I simply do not buy from them. It's pretty much that simple.

Farmers Abandoning GMO Seeds: Non-GMO is more profitable

One way or another, they're going down. More and more companies are labeling their products GMO Free (so much for the cost factor excuse), and more and more people are choosing to buy those products.

This is the best way to bring about the change to non-GMO foods.

Convince people that GMO food is bad, and then farmers and food manufacturers will voluntarily increase their GMO-free options.

Look at how many things are voluntarily labeled "gluten free" now to increase sales. Or how when trans fat became unpopular... manufacturers worked quick to remove it and label their stuff "no trans fat".

Organic has become a huge business and now there are organic only stores with organic options for every food.

We don't need the government involved in food, one way or the other. The only place where government would come in is if someone lies on their label. Then you should be able to sue them.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Heck, if that's how you voted it's how you voted, Jackie Moon. People don't always agree on all of the issues. We're very diverse around here. Is what it is. Good points you make here as well and I think we all understand them as it is.

I'm of the opinion that synergy functions best among diverse people when we're honest with each other. Is why I don't sugar coat my views on any given issues that I choose to become involved with there and about.

 

[Deborah K]

Maybe I shouldn't admit it because it seems to be unpopular here... but I voted no.

Not because I support GMO food... whether GMO is bad or not is a separate issue from whether the government should be mandating food labels.

I know they already do for certain things, but I'd rather get of that requirement than to add new ones.

Consumer pressure mandates the labeling of calories and stuff now, not government.

If you removed the mandate to have nutrition labels, food manufacturers would still keep them because they wouldn't want to lose the millions of customers that read nutrition labels.







This is the best way to bring about the change to non-GMO foods.

Convince people that GMO food is bad, and then farmers and food manufacturers will voluntarily increase their GMO-free options.

Look at how many things are voluntarily labeled "gluten free" now to increase sales. Or how when trans fat became unpopular... manufacturers worked quick to remove it and label their stuff "no trans fat".

Organic has become a huge business and now there are organic only stores with organic options for every food.

We don't need the government involved in food, one way or the other. The only place where government would come in is if someone lies on their label. Then you should be able to sue them.

If you haven't watched this, please do. It gives the other side of the story. I've already made my view plain in this thread so I won't reiterate here, but please just find the time to learn what Monsanto has done to American Farmers via their GMO patents.

 

[donnay]

The problem is our government is stacked with former Monsanto and Biotech Company people.

Which Side Is The Obama Administration On?
http://www.organicconsumers.org/usda_watch.cfm

Obama: GMO Lies and Alliances You Need to Know
http://naturalsociety.com/obama-gmo-lies-alliances/

Obama signs 'Monsanto Protection Act' written by Monsanto-sponsored senator
http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-bill-blunt-agriculture-006/

 

[Natural Citizen]

The problem is our government is stacked with former Monsanto and Biotech Company people.

Which Side Is The Obama Administration On?
http://www.organicconsumers.org/usda_watch.cfm

Obama: GMO Lies and Alliances You Need to Know
http://naturalsociety.com/obama-gmo-lies-alliances/

Obama signs 'Monsanto Protection Act' written by Monsanto-sponsored senator
http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-bill-blunt-agriculture-006/

Meh. What to do. This is one of those issues where both political parties are lobbied by these companies and so you're up against both.

The statesman was just discussing this very phenomenon over in the other thread... http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-US-elections-are-a-one-party-monopoly-(Video)

Both parties will get absolutely hammered on the issue at the international level because it really is a matter of foreign policy now and that's where it will be played out. There is no stopping it. And domestically, If we look at that vote update I just shared a few postings down (or up depending on how we browse the boards) $25 million is barely buying these monopolies a fraction of a percent of the dividing vote. That's how far the people have come at the domestic level. And the freight train just ain't stopping. Really, it's just picking up steam. 2016 is just around the corner.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Huzzah!

Yes to marijuana legalization, No to mandatory product labeling.

Two victories for liberty.

 

[PRB]

Do you NOT see the inconsistency??? Do you NOT see that the balance is tipped in favor of the multinational corporations like Monsanto???

so we should have more laws to hurt big guys?

 

[PRB]

It's already being done! Calories, carbohydrates, sodium, ingredients... Doesn't it seem rather odd that they don't want to label about Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs)? If they have nothing to hide what's the problem?

When I buy local, I ask the farmer right up front whether the fruits and vegetables come from organic heirloom seeds. If they stutter, or stagger in anyway with a response, I simply do not buy from them. It's pretty much that simple.

I don't want those labels either.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Munchies are probably just munchies when yer stoned. Anything edible. You know? Heh...

I always thought of that as eating something that really munched or crackled. Like pork rinds or fruit loops. I guess it would apply if you ate ice cream, but it loses a little cache.

Maybe it would be a matter of amounts. One 3oz. bag of pork rinds would actually be inferior to a eating a ham.

 

[PRB]

Allowing multinational corporations to win by taking the high road may be a "freedom position", but it doesn't result in freedom. Making them play by their own rules, gives us the freedom to choose what products we will and will not buy.

One way or another, they're going down. More and more companies are labeling their products GMO Free (so much for the cost factor excuse), and more and more people are choosing to buy those products.

yeah, let's use government to result in freedom, it always works.

you never lost your freedom to choose what to buy, where in America are you ever forced to eat or buy anything? PLEASE let me know.

I can't stop people from labeling their products GMO free or kosher, but I don't want my foods being forced to by mandate of law and adding costs to my pocket when something never bothered me.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I always thought of that as eating something that really munched or crackled. Like pork rinds or fruit loops. I guess it would apply if you ate ice cream, but it loses a little cache.

Maybe it would be a matter of amounts. One 3oz. bag of pork rinds would actually be inferior to a eating a ham.

You know, I was sitting next to a guy eating those things at a baseball game one time. It took everything I had not to pick him up and throw him over the rail. He drove me nuts with his crunching. My gosh. It was the worst.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

I talk with a good number of farmers in my work. My impression is that most of them really don't like the Monsantos, Pioneers, Syngentas of the world, but they sort of grin and bear it. It's their life. Some are in deep, but a lot have other jobs. A lot of them also don't like some of the intrusive technology. Don't know if I'd describe them as passive, but not sure how I'd describe them.

Anyway, just an observation. Nothing measured or scientific.

 

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

You know, I was sitting next to a guy eating those things at a baseball game one time. It took everything I had not to pick him up and throw him over the rail. He drove me nuts with his crunching. My gosh. It was the worst.

Was it like that scene in The Indian Runner where Dennis Hopper gets axed?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Was it like that scene in The Indian Runner where Dennis Hopper gets axed?

Don't know. I didn't ever see that.

 

[donnay]

I don't want those labels either.

Interesting...so you would eat rat turds if a box was labeled candy?

 

[Deborah K]

Huzzah!

Yes to marijuana legalization, No to mandatory product labeling.

Two victories for liberty.

Why are you okay with legalizing weed (which results in the regulation and taxation thereof), but you are not okay with the gov't showing some consistency with labeling in the food industry? Seems like a double-standard.