Glenn must be losing his base.

[cindy25]

The majority of Republicans like and support Israel.

This should be common sense.

the majority of Republicans could care less about Israel; just a vocal minority of religious nutcases who unfortunately matter in Iowa. Jewish Republicans are as rare as black Republicans.

 

[AuH20]

I think there is only one man who can help Glenn Beck and his name is Patrick J. Buchanan.

 

[FrankRep]

the majority of Republicans could care less about Israel; just a vocal minority of religious nutcases who unfortunately matter in Iowa. Jewish Republicans are as rare as black Republicans.

That is not reality, cindy25. Republicans tend to be Christian and tend to have this belief that it's their Christian duty to protect Israel.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) is consequently very philo-Semitic in its doctrine.

I see what you're saying, and yes we think the Jews will have an important role to play in the future, as per prophecy, and also that they are still the covenant people of the Lord. But no part of our love towards the Semites involves loving to kill or tax on behalf of the nation-state of Israel. It's not in our scriptures. Our Church leaders have not taught it. No such thing has any support whatsoever from Mormonism. It just doesn't exist.

No, Beck is on his own. The man is an establishment tool, just like Romney. I hate the fact that either one is associated with the Church, because they give us a bad name. The Church is smeared by association with these slimy smarmy fakes. There is nothing in Mormon doctrine that says you should have the state force everyone in Massachusetts to buy health insurance, and there is nothing in Mormon doctrine that says you should bomb Iran and ignorantly swallow whatever moronic lies are being told to dupe the people into whatever war the politicos want to sell. I'm sorry, but Beck makes me seethe. War propaganda makes me seethe. And it's the moral principles that I hold, due probably in large part to being Mormon, that gives me that deep, burning hatred.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The facts are the facts: if you want to win the Republican nomination, you must support Israel. I didn't make the rules.

Define "support".

Because I do not think it is necessary to give them foreign aid, or fight their wars. I don't think it is strange to believe your government should put your own country first, while making it clear that individuals who want to do more are free to do so.

 

[AuH20]

That is not reality, cindy25. Republicans tend to be Christian and tend to have this belief that it's their Christian duty to protect Israel.

And if we turn our back to Israel, God will curse us as well. It's some serious stuff. This is not a laughing matter to Christians who are well-versed in the word of God.

 

[FrankRep]

Define "support".

Because I do not think it is necessary to give them foreign aid, or fight their wars. I don't think it is strange to believe your government should put your own country first, while making it clear that individuals who want to do more are free to do so.

Name a previous U.S. President that didn't support Israel. Good luck. Like I said, I didn't make the rules.

 

[Carehn]

And if we turn our back to Israel, God will curse us as well. It's some serious stuff. This is not a laughing matter to Christians who are well-versed in the word of God.

Ya well our government and israels government are not israel so just because they get together in organized crime fashion and loot people does not mean i must support it. Nor would God.

I can play that game.

God speaks through me and he says you must support me financially and also my empire or he will spank you.

I don't like it any more then you but God is God and ya kinda gatta do what he says you know. He will spank you. Now fork over the cash and vote santorum sheep. ..


Not really directed at you. Just venting a bit.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Name a previous U.S. President that didn't support Israel. Good luck. Like I said, I didn't make the rules.

I asked you to define SUPPORT.

 

[donnay]

And if we turn our back to Israel, God will curse us as well. It's some serious stuff. This is not a laughing matter to Christians who are well-versed in the word of God.

I'd like to see that scripture.

 

[American Idol]

Do people still watch Glen Beck? Silly folks.

I didn't know he was still on the air. I guess he's hanging out in Loserville with the three percenters: Bachmann and Santorum...

 

[cindy25]

Name a previous U.S. President that didn't support Israel. Good luck. Like I said, I didn't make the rules.

Ike; 1956 Suez crisis.

 

[AuH20]

I'd like to see that scripture.

It's in Genesis, which I posted earlier in the thread. And don't forget the warnings of Zechariah, which Beck loves I might add. He and others believes this will pass:

Zechariah 12: 6-9 “In that day I will make the clans of Judah like a firepot among pieces of wood and a flaming torch among sheaves, so they will consume on the right hand and on the left all the surrounding peoples, while the inhabitants of Jerusalem again dwell on their own sites in Jerusalem. The LORD also will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem will not be magnified above Judah. In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who is feeble among them in that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them. And in that day I will set about to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.”

 

[FrankRep]

The facts are the facts: if you want to win the Republican nomination, you must support Israel. I didn't make the rules.

Define "support".

Because I do not think it is necessary to give them foreign aid, or fight their wars. I don't think it is strange to believe your government should put your own country first, while making it clear that individuals who want to do more are free to do so.

I asked you to define SUPPORT.

I'll be straight foreword for you. If you don't worship Israel, you won't be elected President. How's that for a "definition" of SUPPORT?

 

[cindy25]

Beck just made the case for a Ron Paul 3rd party candidacy. if its Romney vs Obama, and Ron runs 3rd party he will carry states, force it to the house.

 

[flightlesskiwi]

I have never heard this wealth stuff from anyone but the likes of Joel Osteen.

amazing how Joel Osteen's Lakewood church hosts the largest congregation in america.

i can only imagine you don't pay much attention. the roots are in the New Apostolic Reformation (latter rain/manifest sons of god theology). Oral Roberts is considered the modern day father (prosperity gospel has its roots much farther back than the (post) modern age, tough-- using religion for material gain is nothing new). some other alias': name-it-claim-it, Word Faith, Word-of-Faith. ever watch TBN? K. Copeland? Swaggert? Jim Baker? Paul Crouch? Benny Hinn? Creflo Dollar? Joyce Meyers? Paula White? 700 Club and Pat Robertson?

come on, now. this stuff is rampant.

 

[FrankRep]

Name a previous U.S. President that didn't support Israel. Good luck. Like I said, I didn't make the rules.

Ike; 1956 Suez crisis.

Eisenhower Cables Congratulations to Israel on Independence Day

JTA
April 17, 1956

WASHINGTON, Apr. 16 (JTA) –

President Eisenhower today cabled congratulations to Israel President Itzhak Ben Zvi and the people of Israel on the occasion of Israel Independence Day. "I am happy to extend to your Excellency and to the people of Israel on behalf of the people of the United States congratulations and sincere good wishes on this anniversary of the independence of Israel," Mr. Eisenhower's message stated.

Several members of the House joined today in congratulating Israel on its Independence Day and urging the United States Administration to provide arms to the Jewish State. Led by Rep. John J. Rooney, New York Democrat, several Congressmen voiced support of Israel and opposition to the Administration's policies in the Middle East. Rep. Rooney is chairman of an appropriations subcommittee in charge of State Department funds.​

 

[cindy25]

I'll be straight foreword for you. If you don't worship Israel, you won't be elected President. How's that for a "definition" of SUPPORT?

that's because of the media, not the people; with the MSM on the decline in influence the role of Israel becomes less important. its just few stand up to them. if Israel was so important how did Ron get elected over and over in a conservative Texas district; if Israel mattered so much why is Rand the senator from Kentucky; or Dennis Kucinich congressman over and over from Cleveland?

much of Israeli power is a myth.

 

[LibertyEagle]

amazing how Joel Osteen's Lakewood church hosts the largest congregation in america.

i can only imagine you don't pay much attention. the roots are in the New Apostolic Reformation (latter rain/manifest sons of god theology). Oral Roberts is considered the modern day father (prosperity gospel has its roots much farther back than the (post) modern age, tough-- using religion for material gain is nothing new). some other alias': name-it-claim-it, Word Faith, Word-of-Faith. ever watch TBN? K. Copeland? Swaggert? Jim Baker? Paul Crouch? Benny Hinn? Creflo Dollar? Joyce Meyers? Paula White? 700 Club and Pat Robertson?

come on, now. this stuff is rampant.

Maybe so. I don't think highly of televangelists.

 

[AuH20]

Eisenhower Cables Congratulations to Israel on Independence Day

JTA
April 17, 1956

WASHINGTON, Apr. 16 (JTA) –

President Eisenhower today cabled congratulations to Israel President Itzhak Ben Zvi and the people of Israel on the occasion of Israel Independence Day. "I am happy to extend to your Excellency and to the people of Israel on behalf of the people of the United States congratulations and sincere good wishes on this anniversary of the independence of Israel," Mr. Eisenhower's message stated.

Several members of the House joined today in congratulating Israel on its Independence Day and urging the United States Administration to provide arms to the Jewish State. Led by Rep. John J. Rooney, New York Democrat, several Congressmen voiced support of Israel and opposition to the Administration's policies in the Middle East. Rep. Rooney is chairman of an appropriations subcommittee in charge of State Department funds.​

The most vilified man of the last 60 years, who happened to be a Jew himself wasn't too fond of Israel either:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/66738.html

Excerpt] Goldwater: ...self-interest groups are now, more than ever, running this country. You take the Israel groups, and there are many of them . . . if just a rumor goes out that the president is going to sell some military equipment to an Arab nation, overnight there will be 60 to 70 senators siding up with the Israeli group. Why? Because they have money, and they threaten. But they're not the only ones. You name it, there's an organization in Washington working for it, all self-interest.

Kolbe: Is the Israeli lobby too powerful?

Goldwater: God, yes, way too powerful.

Kolbe: Has that had some detrimental effects on what comes out of Congress?

Goldwater: Yes. See, we have no treaty with Israel, but we have pledged ourselves to go to war if she has to go to war. And there are some of the actions that some of the Israeli groups take that, at times, I've felt would hasten that day when we have to live up to our promise. I can understand the feeling, but I'm getting awfully tired of the great influence they have and there's no question about it.

The last example was when we wanted to fulfill our promise to sell Saudi Arabia some F-15s. We sent them a few, but then the Israeli group got up in arms and, by God, it stopped. I think the first tabulation we got, 65 senators were opposed to it before any debate or any discussion. And that's held true with every weapons system that we've wanted to sell any of the Arab countries.

Kolbe: Why do they have that influence?

Goldwater: They have it because, you take the big cities like New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco, they have a tremendously large Jewish population and a lot of money, and these senators just cater to that type of influence. But like the influence of the labor unions, the National Rifle Association, the American Medical Association, and we could go on and on and name the influences that, while not as strong as Israel, have a great strength. And they make it hard for a man to run when he can't get money, when he has a large dedicated group against him. The tendency then is to overcome that strike by going along with them (the special interests).