Glenn Beck Restroing America - 2010 Pretty darn evangelical

[silentshout]

I hate to remind you guys again, that the majority of the Republican party at the grassroots level, are Christians. So is Ron Paul and guess what, even Lew Rockwell.

Until and unless you figure out how to talk to them without insulting them, whatever movement you think you're a part of has no chance whatsoever. And if you think you are going to convince them to be little heathens, think again. When you bash them because of their faith in God, you are running them away from anything and everything else you have to say.

I don't give two hoots about their religion. Whatever floats one's boat. What i don't like is that they bash people who don't believe exactly as they do.

 

[silentshout]

I'm sorry, but I also believe that we are a nation built on Judeo-christian values. From everything I have read thus far about those that came before us.. ie Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Stonewall Jackson to name a few... God (Creator) was a very big part of their life and a big part of the founding of this country. The American Experiment has always been know as "The City on the Hill" or A Beacon of Hope and Freedom....

Believing in a creator does not equal being christian...

Also, what do you propose doing with the fact that not everyone in this country is Christian? What is The point of all of this? I hear this all of the time, that people want to restore this country to judeo-Christian "values," but what does that mean? People are free to believe or not believe in whatever they want.

 

[Che]

Hands down, Glen Beck's rally had more people than Ron Paul's March in D.C., what a load of shit

 

[silentshout]

Hands down, Glen Beck's rally had more people than Ron Paul's March in D.C., what a load of shit

Well, it was promoted by fox..was ron paul's?

 

[Seraphim]

I'm sorry, but I also believe that we are a nation built on Judeo-christian values. From everything I have read thus far about those that came before us.. ie Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Stonewall Jackson to name a few... God (Creator) was a very big part of their life and a big part of the founding of this country. The American Experiment has always been know as "The City on the Hill" or A Beacon of Hope and Freedom....

Not true. USA was NOT founded on ANY religion. That was absolutely CLEAR by the Founding Fathers. It was founded on principles that human beings are born with inalienable rights endowed by our creator (whatever it may be). God is not religious. No religion accurately represents God nor do they form the moral basis of the USA. The FF explicitly said you have the right to practice your faith in ANY way, any religion so long as your do not hurt anyone or impeed on their rights. This means Judeo-Christian is the foundation for the USA? Can one draw certain moral teachings from these religions that mirror the founding principals of the USA, YUP. But religion is of ZERO basis to the founding of the USA. Faith in God, sure, Religion, absolutely not.

 

[Aratus]

sir isaac newton's seemingly pleasant deism was almost our state religion
until wise auld ben franklin and george mason thusly passionately spoke?

 

[Minuteman2012]

Not true. USA was NOT founded on ANY religion. .

Just thought I would supplement that statement with documented evidence. Here is the Peace Treaty between America and the Barbary States in 1797. I clearly states here that the United States is not a Christian nation and has no history of hostility against the Muslim nation(s)(at the time, the Ottoman Empire pretty much encompassed the majority of politically muslim nations.


http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

 

[Anti Federalist]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/64526.html

Writes Bob Wenzel:

I noted your comments on the Glenn Beck Rally. I happened to be on the streets of D.C. as the rally was breaking up. I watched the faces of those leaving the event, you know, sort of like the way you watch people coming out of a movie before you head in, to see what reaction people have on thier faces, happy, sad, etc.

The Glen Beck crowd looked totally bored. No one was pumped up. No one was moved to cry. There was no camaraderie among the attendees. Nothing, zero. I could tell for sure Ron Paul and Tom Woods weren’t speaking at this event. If I saw these faces walking out of a movie theatre showing, I would bet the movie would prove to be a total bust.

 

[silus]

Religion is not making a comeback in politics. What a waste. Slice it any way you want, old people are dying, and little by little they are taking their religion to their graves.

 

[Minuteman2012]

Religion is not making a comeback in politics. What a waste. Slice it any way you want, old people are dying, and little by little they are taking their religion to their graves.

Thankfully religion is dying, that is one of the few positive things I see going forward in this country right now.

 

[erowe1]

Thankfully religion is dying, that is one of the few positive things I see going forward in this country right now.

That's what they were saying in the 1700's. It ain't gonna happen.

 

[libertybrewcity]

Thankfully religion is dying, that is one of the few positive things I see going forward in this country right now.

I think Catholicism is slowly dying and will soon be replaced by Islam, Hinduism, and Atheism. I feel like Christianity is making a comeback among middle aged people, but growth will likely stay flat IMO.

 

[libertybrewcity]

That's what they were saying in the 1700's. It ain't gonna happen.

As stupid as people are today, they are a lot smarter than they were in the 1700's. The Church establishments don't have a hold on things as they did a few hundred years ago.

Christian ranks grew as they converted millions of Asians and South Americans. The only group that remains 'untouched' is parts of Africa. After these next couple generations are 'atheized', there will be no ground to conquer.

The only 'rebirth' I see is an offshoot of Christianity that revolutionizes the fundamentals similar to Martin Luther. OR, some sort of fusion between a sect of Christianity and Islam.

 

[erowe1]

I think Catholicism is slowly dying

I don't know what portends for it in America (though I doubt it's dying). But worldwide, Catholicism is growing significantly.

Here's a good book that describes that phenomenon (among other things).
http://www.amazon.com/Next-Christendom-Coming-Global-Christianity/dp/019518307X/

 

[erowe1]

As stupid as people are today, they are a lot smarter than they were in the 1700's.

I should probably just let that slide.

 

[low preference guy]

I should probably just let that slide.

I'll take it. People who lived during the Enlightenment were on average a lot smarter than people in our age. Many of the innovations we enjoy today our due to their brilliance.

Remember that people in the 1700's established the United States of America. People today want to turned it into the USSA.

 

[libertythor]

FYI, Glenn Beck isn't even a Christian.

Mormons believe in Christ and his resurrection and have that as a basis for the faith, despite all of the eccentric beliefs that accompany it. The folks at the Church of God of Prophecy are also Christians too despite the speaking in tongues and dancing in the aisles.

 

[libertybrewcity]

I'll take it. People who lived during the Enlightenment were on average a lot smarter than people in our age. Many of the innovations we enjoy today our due to their brilliance.

Remember that people in the 1700's established the United States of America. People today want to turned it into the USSA.

That is not true. How much technological advancement has occurred in the 20th century and in the beginning of the 21st century? A hell of a lot more than in the 18th century. Anything from the airplane to the car to the internet to advancements in manufacturing, medicine, and science.

Sure, the 1700's gave us carbonated water, the submarine, and steam engine. However, nothing comes close to the electron microscope, space travel, and even wireless internet.

If anything, most of the innovations we enjoy today spring from the industrial revolution and post-civil war era. The 1700's may have given us a small start to technological advancement, but inventing the electric telegraph, for example, is nothing compared to the invention of mass communication in all the forms we have today from the satellite phone to email.

Important drugs today are far better than the blood-letting used in the 1700's. If I recall, George Washington died from that very practice in 1798. The formation of America was brilliant, no doubt about that. However, advances even in abstract subjects are far more advanced than ever seen before as well.

 

[BlackSand]

They were better educated back then (or at least those with money were). We just have more information, better access to it, and less people using it.

I think theres certain things that are missing from culture. Logic. Well reasoned debate. Respect for honorable men. The concept that a man is only as good as his word...We get all that back, and well be better than the founding fathers.

 

[low preference guy]

That is not true. How much technological advancement has occurred in the 20th century and in the beginning of the 21st century? A hell of a lot more than in the 18th century. Anything from the airplane to the car to the internet to advancements in manufacturing, medicine, and science.

Sure, the 1700's gave us carbonated water, the submarine, and steam engine. However, nothing comes close to the electron microscope, space travel, and even wireless internet.

The discovery of Newton's Laws alone was a more significant leap than any of the inventions you're mentioning. And most important of all, the method of discovery was formulated then.