Glenn Beck Restroing America - 2010 Pretty darn evangelical

Stary Hickory, would you say his theme was deism/universalism?

I haven't been able to watch or listen to any of it.
 
Rifleman said:
Stary Hickory, would you say his theme was deism/universalism?

I haven't been able to watch or listen to any of it.
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Yes it was deism. He mentioned Jesus quite a bit. And passages and stories from the bible. He was definitely making an effort to appeal to a wide range of faiths. It wasn't so bad, it was just a lot of feel good national pride stuff mixed in with a religious/faith theme and a good dose of neoconism, with very little insightful info.

He did say it was not going to be a political event...so it was rather bland intellectually.
 
Stary Hickory said:
Yes it was deism. He mentioned Jesus quite a bit. And passages and stories from the bible. He was definitely making an effort to appeal to a wide range of faiths. It wasn't so bad, it was just a lot of feel good national pride stuff mixed in with a religious/faith theme and a good dose of neoconism, with very little insightful info.

He did say it was not going to be a political event...so it was rather bland intellectually.
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Deism doesn't use faith. Deism rests on logic and reason. This event was not DEISTIC. I should know..I'm a deist. Deists are also NOT Christians.
 
Austrian Econ Disciple said:
Deism doesn't use faith. Deism rests on logic and reason. This event was not DEISTIC. I should know..I'm a deist. Deists are also NOT Christians.
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Ok well then it's not Deistic. But it was not a "Christian" event per say. It's the typical religious manner that Beck usually talks in. Deism has always just meant (to me) belief in a God or all Gods, like all faiths have the same God and just don't realize it.
 
Stary Hickory said:
Yes it was deism. He mentioned Jesus quite a bit. And passages and stories from the bible. He was definitely making an effort to appeal to a wide range of faiths. It wasn't so bad, it was just a lot of feel good national pride stuff mixed in with a religious/faith theme and a good dose of neoconism, with very little insightful info.
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Soooo, a three hour live version of his TV show?
 
Stary Hickory said:
Ok well then it's not Deistic. But it was not a "Christian" event per say. It's the typical religious manner that Beck usually talks in. Deism has always just meant (to me) belief in a God or all Gods, like all faiths have the same God and just don't realize it.
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Good primer.

http://www.moderndeism.com/html/deism_defined.html

Deism believes in reason, logic, and an impersonal God who essentially has no direct association with the universe and its running. That it (God), merely created the laws and dynamics of the Universe and it is a self-running, self-regulating, space. The ultimate non-interventionist if you will. We can use reason to construct moral compasses. A great example is that of Ludwig von Mises, Anthony de Jasay, and other utilitarian freedom loving libertarians.
 
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Anti Federalist said:
Soooo, a three hour live version of his TV show?
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I got there at 11:45, the metro system was all jacked up. They are doing maintenance. So I got there just as someone was finishing their speech (maybe Palin). And then Glenn Beck got on stage and talked for like an hour and fifteen minutes.

It was not as entertaining as his TV show because he really just stayed in "faith" mode the whole time. I am not going to knock the guy for his faith. But I guess I was naively thinking there would be more substance to it all. Religious themes never motivate me much, I like rational intelligent arguments and such. It wasn't devoid of it but it was pretty darn stale, I was bored pretty fast.
 
Stary Hickory said:
I got there at 11:45, the metro system was all jacked up. They are doing maintenance. So I got there just as someone was finishing their speech (maybe Palin). And then Glenn Beck got on stage and talked for like an hour and fifteen minutes.

It was not as entertaining as his TV show because he really just stayed in "faith" mode the whole time. I am not going to knock the guy for his faith. But I guess I was naively thinking there would be more substance to it all. Religious themes never motivate me much, I like rational intelligent arguments and such. It wasn't devoid of it but it was pretty darn stale, I was bored pretty fast.
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Thanks for the update and clarification.

I was reading snippets of the speech on my phone browser since my net connection was down.

I was getting the impression that either I was missing something, or the speech was really, as you said, boring and lacking substance.

I won't use this as a jump off point for a Beck Bashing, either.

I'll just repeat what someone else already said, choose your message and messenger wisely.
 
Stary Hickory said:
I went for about an hour. It was eerily similar to Sunday school or a church gathering. There were LOTS of people there, I would say at least 300k or so, maybe 500k I can't say. It never struck me just how many people where there until I walked back towards the Washington Monument and looked back at the Lincoln Memorial. Lawn up to the Washignton Monument very well covered for the most part and packed after that up to and on top of the Lincoln Memorial plus ample crowds around the edges...basically all over.

It was interesting although Beck was not speaking much substance but mostly evangelical religious krap which I did not care for. I saw some people with Gadsen Flags, saw some Oathkeepers, and a girl with a Schiff for Senate 2010 shirt at a spontaneous Tea Party gathering.

Michelle Bachman put up a "town hall" Tea party gathering so people leaving Becks event after 1:00 would pass right by it. I stayed listened for awhile. Had some entertaining speakers, mostly good because they focused on out of control spending, the HC bill, and obeying the Constitution. That guy Tito(the Hispanic from the Hannity show) spoke at Bachman's tea party rally. He was pretty funny, although his limited English made for some terrible sounding soundbites, Like we must destroy them (socialists) and their philosophy. This was of course not exactly what he meant to say or wanted to say but it was funny.

Anyways. A little Neoconish at the Beck rally, but mostly just really really kreepily religious.
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I'm sorry...did you say 300-500k O_O?!
 
Beck was probably instructed to bore the people to tears this time so they'd have second thoughts about converging on D.C. en masse again.
 
Ricky201 said:
I'm sorry...did you say 300-500k O_O?!
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Yeah I would say 300K is a very safe estimate could have been more easily. I mean it's hard to tell when you are there. Overhead photos though I just saw are consistent with at least 300K.

It was way bigger than I was thinking it would be, I would have not gone had I known. I thought I would be able to see Glenn Beck in person. I never saw him....I could barely see a sliver of the screen with his face on it. In fact I could not even tell there was a fountain there until I got all the way to the Washington Monument. You could not get close enough really.
 
erowe1 said:
If deists only use logic and reason, then they must have faith in logic and reason.
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That would be like saying if Scientists use reason and logic, then they must have faith in mathematics. A ridiculous thing to say. You have basically said there is no true knowledge in the world, everything is based on faith.
 
I didn't have a problem with the event I watche it on the internet, nothing wrong with getting people together especially for a cause such as that despite what can be disagreed on Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin's philosophy.
 
Austrian Econ Disciple said:
That would be like saying if Scientists use reason and logic, then they must have faith in mathematics. A ridiculous thing to say. You have basically said there is no true knowledge in the world, everything is based on faith.
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No. Many scientists have faith in huge leaps of logic.

lol
 
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I hate to remind you guys again, that the majority of the Republican party at the grassroots level, are Christians. So is Ron Paul and guess what, even Lew Rockwell. :p

Until and unless you figure out how to talk to them without insulting them, whatever movement you think you're a part of has no chance whatsoever. And if you think you are going to convince them to be little heathens, think again. When you bash them because of their faith in God, you are running them away from anything and everything else you have to say.
 
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I hate to remind you guys again, that the majority of the Republican party at the grassroots level, are Christians. So is Ron Paul and guess what, even Lew Rockwell.

Until and unless you figure out how to talk to them without insulting them, whatever movement you think you're a part of has no chance whatsoever. And if you think you are going to convince them to be little heathens, think again. When you bash them because of their faith in God, you are running them away from anything and everything else you have to say.
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Interesting that you overlook the hilarious statements of Christians saying "you're going to go to hell". Or "Catholics aren't Christians".
 
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