Glenn Beck--IT'S ON. FEMA CAMP DEBUNKING

[Deborah K]

Do you want people to become interested and do their research or take Glenn Beck's word for it?

There are people on this forum who are willing to give GB the benefit of the doubt on certain things- for now. That doesn't make them koolaid drinkers. I doubt anyone who supports RP would drink anyone's koolaid, including his.

 

[Oyate]

There are people on this forum who are willing to give GB the benefit of the doubt on certain things- for now. That doesn't make them koolaid drinkers. I doubt anyone who supports RP would drink anyone's koolaid, including his.

I wonder about that Deb. How many bought into his war cheerleading? I can answer that. VERY FEW were we who saw through the cooked intel and identified the long-term plans for domination of the midEast in this rush to "justice".

What I see is RP supporters on this board swilling down the koolaid with a side of GB. But no matter, he's speaking TO THE MASSES. HE IS SPEAKING TO THE MASSES, NOT US. How much koolaid can the public drink? All FauxNews can supply every year since it's inception.

 

[paulitics]

If there is only 1% then we are a pretty damn stupid movement. What happened to Americans of Japanese descent in WWII?

If you think no one in government has not planned for a worse case economic disaster and means to subdue and control the population in such an event your an idiot.

It was wrong when we did it to Americans of Japanese decent. It is wrong today. It is wrong to plan for it or consider it as an option.

More than 1% think there is some serious problems here. There is some serious blurring of the lines between what is considered acceptable conspiracy and what is not. The NWO, private federal reserve, CFR, NAMU are huge conspiracies. I would say the majority in the movement, not 1% believe these are true or largely true. Why, because Ron Paul has spoken openly about all of those things.

 

[Paulitical Correctness]

There is a war going on for your mind
If you are thinking you are winning
Resistance is victory
Defeat is impossible
Your weapons are already in hand
Reach within you and find the means by which to gain your freedom
Fight with tools
Your fate and that of everyone you know depends on it

:o

 

[Oyate]

More than 1% think there is some serious problems here. There is some serious blurring of the lines between what is considered acceptable conspiracy and what is not. The NWO, private federal reserve, CFR, NAMU are huge conspiracies. I would say the majority in the movement, not 1% believe these are true or largely true. Why, because Ron Paul has spoken openly about all of those things.

No kidding. According to our opposition, the private nature of the Federal Reserve is a "conspiracy theory" even though it was determined as private by the Supreme Court, and every single one of our scholars agrees.

For a movement patriot to say "we don't believe in conspiracy theories", well, you have no future as an investigator, prosecutor or sober judge of facts. Let's consult Websters for some insight:

conspiracy
3 entries found.

1. conspiracy
2. conspiracy of silence
3. conspiracy theory


Main Entry:
con·spir·a·cy
Pronunciation:
\kən-ˈspir-ə-sē\
Function:
noun
Inflected Form(s):
plural con·spir·a·cies
Etymology:
Middle English conspiracie, from Latin conspirare
Date:
14th century

1: the act of conspiring together2 a: an agreement among conspirators b: a group of conspirators

As you can see from the definition above, CONSPIRACIES EXIST IN FACT unless you believe that no two human beings have ever "conspired". Theorizing about same is a legitimate investigative technique. To deny this is to deny all human record, all human communication, all history and indeed, your future.

 

[Oyate]

That would be you.

Wells....I guess a certain dose of humility is built into all our posts. No matter what the scholarly merit or how in depth an argument, we're never above hurling personal insults.

Wells Mr. JMDrake, at the risk of taking us further down I'd return with a hearty "nya nya nya". Nw, just kidding.

I know this sounds divisive, but this is US working out issues. This is US finding the truth. I really have no problem when we argue (or debate) among ourselves. It's what we have to do to arrive at a unified public demeanor.

Do I think it harms the movement to have healthy skeptics of even our own doctrines? Hells no, I think it's great. At the end of the day, we have and we continue to work together and put personal differences aside.

Does that make a little dolt of a Beck authorized to speak for us? NOT IN A MILLION YEARS BABIES. And you'll see. Beck will lead the way back to the establishment, centrist path. All those who follow him there, you'll find yourselves on the other side of the line fast.

 

[DAFTEK]

+1. Ignoring and pushing ourselves away from Glenn's following will hurt us more than if we tried to have more of an influence on what he's really doing: getting people off their asses.

+3

Doesn't really matter to me what he is or, isn't. I'll still be going to the tea-party to canvass all the people he is corralling

+4 Exactly! I will have some leftover canvas material and my C4L shirt.

Glenn Beck really riles people up. Like they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

+5

Use the tools that are presented to you.

+6

There are people on this forum who are willing to give GB the benefit of the doubt on certain things- for now. That doesn't make them koolaid drinkers. I doubt anyone who supports RP would drink anyone's koolaid, including his.

+7 Exactly, i trashed the crap out of him, but after that RP call he got from that lady and i heard his spoon fed reasoning i have to admit, i am convinced that the best thing for now is to use him to gather the people but like i have said all along, GRAIN OF SALT PEOPLE!

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

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It was wrong when we did it to Americans of Japanese decent. It is wrong today. It is wrong to plan for it or consider it as an option.

+1

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What I see is RP supporters on this board swilling down the koolaid...

Really ? Well, that doesn't fit very well with your next statement

...I really have no problem when we argue (or debate) among ourselves...

Now, you know I like you a lot Trevor, but I'd like you to expound on all of these supporters you see swilling down kool-aid. I mean, I'm here all the time, and what I see is people trying to use the situation to our advantage and really haven't seen much "Beck is our best friend" posts.

I appreciate you being concerned for people in the movement, but perhaps you should give us some more credit...

Back on topic, what raised my hackles in the .mil pdf was this

2–1. Policy statement
a. With a few exceptions, the Army’s Civilian Inmate Labor Program is currently limited to using inmates from facilities under the control of the Federal Bureau of Prisons

 

[donnay]

Too bad Glenn Beck didn't debunk these Executive Orders:

OFFICIAL EXECUTIVE ORDERS LIST:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990

allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995

allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997

allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998

allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999

allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000

allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001

allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002

designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003

allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004

allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005

allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051

specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310

grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049

assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921

allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the... National Security Act of 1947 allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities. 1950 Defense Production Act gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy. Act of August 29, 1916 authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency. International Emergency Economic Powers Act enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

well, i get the oddest feeling that fox news told beck he better do some damage control on the fema camp issue. tones

 

[Carole]

There are many videos of so-called coffins.

This one seems fairly reasonable.

Fema Camp Coffins Investigated
h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zSDdm-SHI&feature=related

 

[micahnelson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Dix#Federal_Correctional_Institution

Civilian prison in a military facility. They exist.

I guess I wasn't making myself clear.

We have historical evidence of the government detaining people. It has happened in ww2 as was intelligently pointed out. It has happened at both the DNC and RNC conventions. If those two chained off zones are still standing, that is news to me- but it wouldn't surprise me all that much.

We need to be concerned with Federal Power. They are omnipotent. Discussing what legislation makes them omnipotent is somewhat of a moot point. What would happen if the government acted out of accordance with the law? Nothing. No one would prosecute them. So, executive orders are just CYA statements in case, when all is said and done, they dont get placed on trial for war crimes. They are creating the law that allows them to act as they please. For that reason, executive order after executive order doesn't shock, surprise, or motivate me any longer.

Let me sum it up for you like this. There is nothing stopping the government from taking you from your bed and holding on to you until you breath your last.

That said, in my research I have seen numerous lists where every spare parking lot is a fema camp. Every disused lavatory is a solitary confinement chamber. Every smokestack is an oven. We need to get realistic. We need to confirm exactly what is happening. If you live near one of these sites, I will ask in this thread as I ask in every other, get some pictures. Talk to locals. If you dont feel comfortable talking- get me some pictures and I'll make the calls.

Detention centers dont just build themselves. Workers had to eat, contractors had to be hired, etc. We can peice together the truth. I support that- and have independently verified that the presence of FEMA death camps in RI is bunk. There are plenty of places that could easily be converted into such a thing, but then again the average walmart could hold many people for quite a while. No construction, inverse barbed wire, or tunnel systems. Nothing marking a secret detention center.

I don't mind being proven wrong.

What I do mind is people stirring the pot over an issue that is EASILY proven with half an ounce of action.

I dont care what is on Youtube, Alex Jones, or Jimminy Crickets' NWO Blog. Find one of the many lists out there and confirm it, otherwise- shut up and pick a more obvious target of rage.
Suggestions...

Bank Nationalization
Upcoming Pakistani War
Direct Monetization
Central Bank collaboration through the IMF on SDRs
Harrasment of liberty movement workers.

etc.

 

[dannno]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Dix#Federal_Correctional_Institution

Civilian prison in a military facility. They exist.

I guess I wasn't making myself clear.

Fort Dix Federal Correctional Institution is a "Prison Camp established by the U.S. Army" ?


Does the U.S. Military guard the prison or is it just on a military base?

 

[micahnelson]

There are many videos of so-called coffins.

This one seems fairly reasonable.

Fema Camp Coffins Investigated
h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zSDdm-SHI&feature=related

Its good documentation, but the government tends to spend much more and buy things it doesn't need. I don't doubt the video's authenticity. It is chilling to think of that many dead, but I imagine like most genocides- if it occurred we would be burned.


Example of government overspending: Google Map Images of Wasted Fema Trailers.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou...432,-93.661795&spn=0.012904,0.019312&t=h&z=16

 

[micahnelson]

Fort Dix Federal Correctional Institution is a "Prison Camp established by the U.S. Army" ?

Does the U.S. Military guard the prison or is it just on a military base?

Fort Dix is also home to Fort Dix Federal Correctional Institution, the largest single federal prison in America. It is a low security installation for male inmates located within the military installation. As of[update] April 5, 2006, it houses 4,226 inmates, and a minimum security satellite camp houses an additional 426 male prisoners.

Civilian prison on a military base. Military runs it AFAIK.

 

[micahnelson]

There are many videos of so-called coffins.

This one seems fairly reasonable.

Fema Camp Coffins Investigated
h ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3zSDdm-SHI&feature=related

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sou....563926,-83.483992&spn=0.025855,0.038624&z=15

Those coffins on google maps. I can't be sure. but there is a water tower like in the movie, and it is right by the railroad in Madison Georgia.

 

[pcosmar]

Its good documentation, but the government tends to spend much more and buy things it doesn't need. I don't doubt the video's authenticity. It is chilling to think of that many dead, but I imagine like most genocides- if it occurred we would be burned.

Good Guess.
Looked into it some. There are some forks on that rabbit trail.

For a bit more I just found someone else looking into this
http://www.neithercorp.us/nforum/current_events/fema_coffin_update-t879.0.html

I had found the two manufacturers and some of their connections.

Vantage's parent company is Rowan Technologies. Check out their website here:

http://www.rowantechnologies.com/


Interesting logo, don't you agree? Rowan Technologies works closely with the Department Of Defense:

http://www.hazmat-alternatives.com/


And what is one of Rowan Technologies major products? Industrial Furnaces and Ovens. I'm sure its all a coincidence.......

Happy trails.

 

[micahnelson]

Good Guess.
Looked into it some. There are some forks on that rabbit trail.

For a bit more I just found someone else looking into this
http://www.neithercorp.us/nforum/current_events/fema_coffin_update-t879.0.html

I had found the two manufacturers and some of their connections.


Happy trails.

Pretty nasty, thought I think they are probably CDC Coffins developed with a pandemic in mind after studying the effects of seepage during cholera outbreaks in Asia.

I get the idea of wanting to stop disease spreading, but I dont trust the government with a bunch of coffins handy. There are many things I hope would make the Federal Government pause to consider when planning genocide- and lord help us all if anything helps it become more convenient.

 

[pcosmar]

Pretty nasty, thought I think they are probably CDC Coffins developed with a pandemic in mind after studying the effects of seepage during cholera outbreaks in Asia.

I get the idea of wanting to stop disease spreading, but I dont trust the government with a bunch of coffins handy. There are many things I hope would make the Federal Government pause to consider when planning genocide- and lord help us all if anything helps it become more convenient.

Why yes.
And isn't this just interesting.
http://www.examiner.com/x-6495-Nati...cines-Who-put-this-lethal-virus-there-and-why
http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2009/02/27/8560781.html

 

[Drknows]

Glenn Beck really riles people up. Like they say, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

I don't have problem with using their generic versions of Campaign For liberty as a stepping stone. But don't buy the shiat their selling as liberty. point them all to campaign for liberty and liberty forest.

Yeah maybe you're right. Maybe Beck is a genius spoon feeding a watered down version of libertarianism to neocons. I still don't agree with him. But Beck is the least of my worries. Hannity and the rest i'm not too sure about. Nor do i like the idea of their name and face being associated with us. Just like they didn't like the idea of Ron Paul being a republican or a real conservative.

with that said I know some of us didn't like Alex Jones and Company mixing controversial conspiracies in with Ron Pauls message.(i know i didn't) But you know what? Some of the positives they did out weighed the negatives. They held rallies, pointed thousands to Ron Paul and made plenty of movies and still are at it And much like Ron Paul they were humble about it. So in the end it was worth it. Besides all the conspiracy guys wanted is transparency. Its not like they were calling for more spending or war.

I'm a little less accepting of these hypocrites who were warmongering and spreading hate for the last decade. (and they still do) I find it strange all of the sudden they woke up and want to rebrand everything.

I will remain skeptical but open minded. Ive been wrong many times before.

(i see visions of fair tax signs, Mitt/Palin t shirts and warmongering chants.)