I agree but that is the MSM twisting the story. So I put the blame on the MSM for this.
Glenn Beck is Bigger Than Rush with Van Jones Firing!
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Wow! So people on this board are actually complaining about a commie being removed just because he may or may not have been a conspiracy theorist? I thought this place was about freedom, and last I checked, commies were for taking away your economic, social, and political freedom. A communist being removed from a high position of government and the Obama administration balking at public backlash is a huge victory. It shows to them that the public is not as asleep as they originally thought.
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So then Ron Paul's position of "blowback" is "political poison". You can't have it both ways Frank. Ron Paul and Reverend Wright's positions on 9/11 are identical. So your options are:
A) An elected official deciding to drop a particular person really doesn't prove anything about what the electorate things. (sensible answer)
B) There were reasons other than 9/11 that were more "politically poisonous" for Wright and by analogy the same holds true for Van Jones.
C) You can just continue to be hypocritical about the whole thing.
So far no otherwise viable political candidate has stuck his neck out on 9/11. It would have been interesting if Jesse Ventura had decided to run for the senate, but alas he decided not to do so. Until an otherwise viable political candidate decides to stick his neck out and we can actually measure the effects you are just blowing smoke. Obama choosing to drop Van Jones proves nothing. He could have dropped Van Jones for other reasons and/or his political calculus of Van Jones actual effect on the electorate (as opposed to his effect on the media) could be off.
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A) Have all of the communists been replaced? - No.
B) Will there still be a "green jobs" czar of some sort? - Yes.
C) Is Van Jones still a paid member of the administration? - Yes.
The actual benefit of this "victory" isn't as great as you make it out to be. Meanwhile people like Obama's "science czar" who are on record favoring forced sterilization go unchallenged. I'm glad for Obama getting a "chink" in his armour, but let's be realistic too.
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yeah, but the big story is van jones is removed because of 9/11 truth, not because he was a commie. No one seems to have a problem with him being a commie in the msm, excluding the late, great, new and improved beck.
I'm saying that "9/11 inside job" is political suicide.
Yes, though, the "Conservative" media will call "9/11 Blowback" a form of blaming America. That's just dirty Republican politics. I applaud Ron Paul for not backing down, even though, his potential Republican presidential nomination was destroyed.
It seems you are about Glenn Beck than your freedom.
I don't watch Beck. Try again.
Who needs an enemy when we have each other?
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Why are you paying attention to the MSM? Best thing we can do is ignore them altogether.
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Van Jones tried to take Beck down. I think Beck was so rattled by it that he lost objectivity that the facts he had about Jones being a Communist were enough. So it became throw whatever he has at it no matter the circumstance as pay back to take Van Jones down at all costs. Since FNC has a history of using any questioning of 911 as a political epithet it helped him gain support at the network for this cause and gave him cover against those that questioned him calling Obama a racist.
It is good that Van Jones is gone but ignoring his Communist ties will only keep in around in the political beltway. Bottom line, it was a huge mistake to use 911 rather than focus on his Communist beliefs as a reason for the resignation.
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Obviously some people don't watch Glenn Beck. Glenn Beck exposed Van Jones on July 16 when he did his piece on the Appollo Allience, which is a huge non profit dealing with green crap. A few days after that , Color Of Change started their boycott campaign against Beck claiming it was because of Beck's "obama is a racist" comment which is baloney. Color of Change was founded b;y Van Jones...so Beck FURTHER exposed Jones. The MSM and the REPUBLICANS didn't get on board until that video came out of Jones calling the republicans a holes and claiming Bush was a crackhead. That is around the time that 9-11 list surfaced. All I can say is whatever works to get the communist bastards OUT of our government..fine with me. GO GLENN BECK! TONES
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And you are entitled to your opinion. I'm saying that you can't use the case of Van Jones to prove your point any more than I could use the case Rev. Wright to say Ron Paul's "blowback" theory was just as politically suicidal.
It wasn't just the "conservative media" that went after Wright for his "chicken's coming to roost" comment, and for that matter is wasn't just the "conservative media" that went after Ron Paul for the blowback comment. It was the combined power of the liberal and conservative "corporate" media that did this. Saying that 9/11 was caused by Saddam Hussein long after that was admitted to be false is ok. So is Farwell and Robertson blaming 9/11 on gays. Telling the truth is not ok. At least not if we are going to be beholden to the MSM.
Oh I applaud him too. But I'm not sure how he could have won while sticking to his position of being against a war that was still approved by 70% of Republicans. Had he gotten the 30% of Republicans who were against the war solidly behind him he might have won a few early primaries, but nobody seems to know what happened to that 30%. Some may have never gotten to know Dr. Paul. Others may have fallen into the "I've got to back a winner" trap. Regardless the campaigns of Duncan Hunter, Tom Tancredo and Fred Thompson never got off of the ground despite the fact that they didn't have any 9/11 - Iraq war "baggage".
In the long term we don't win if we don't reframe the debate. As long as the twin beliefs that we were "attacked because of our freedoms" and we must "sacrifice liberty for security" remain part of GOP orthodoxy the way forward will be a tough one.
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Cool. Then you should understand why some of us are less than thrilled at the tactics used in this case. Look at it another way. Say if Glenn Beck had used some veiled antisemitism charge like "Van Jones dared to criticize Israel for bombing Gaza"? Would you feel the same way? It's also telling that you've ignored all of the other points like the fact that the way this being reported in the media is that it's all about Van Jones being a part of the group that boycotted Beck and Van Jones being a "truther" and the fact that Van Jones is still on the fed payroll.
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Van Jones resigned..so..show me please where he is still on the payrolll..unless you are speculating that he is . tones
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