Glenn Beck: I'm Becoming More and More Libertarian Every Day

[clb09]

YouTube - Glenn Beck On Leaning Libertarian

 

[itshappening]

Fraud .

 

[jmdrake]

And he still sucks.

 

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I thin he meant Leninist.

 

[BenIsForRon]

Man, I'm glad this forum can finally put this "Glen Beck is coming around!" shit behind it.

 

[jmdrake]

YouTube - Bush "Fool Me Once..."

 

[JohnEngland]

But did you see Beck's show yesterday (11th). It was great - he had some guy from Harvard, Reason and another and they were discussing Europe and America's financial situations.

We need shows like this on TV. He may not be to everyone's liking, but he talks about very important issues that others don't.

Edit: And just to defend the guy a bit more (which I'm sure is very popular ) the reason things went wrong with Medina is not because Beck is "against liberty" etc. It's because she screwed up big time with that whole 9/11 truth stuff. There is no other answer to that question but "no".

If you watch Beck regularly, as I do, you'd see he's had Rand, Schiff, Ron etc. several times. He's a good guy - though crazy and unpredictable, too

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

But did you see Beck's show yesterday (12th). It was great - he had some guy from Harvard, Reason and another and they were discussing Europe and America's financial situations.

We need shows like this on TV. He may not be to everyone's liking, but he talks about very important issues that others don't.

The easiest way to lead people off the edge is by enticing them with bread crumbs. When will people learn?

The only way we are going to change things for the better is through one on one contact. Interact with people. Get to know people. Build communities. Educate in person. Activism. TV IS OUR ENEMY.

 

[fisharmor]

But did you see Beck's show yesterday (12th). It was great - he had some guy from Harvard, Reason and another and they were discussing Europe and America's financial situations.

We need shows like this on TV. He may not be to everyone's liking, but he talks about very important issues that others don't.

Yeah... I remember well in the late 90's when people were saying "But he balanced the budget! The economy is doing great! Stop picking on poor Bill!"

My response was always thus: "In a country of 300 million people, surely we can find one to do the same thing who isn't openly lying about boning his staffers."

So I give a similar response: In a country of 300 million people, we can find one to do the same thing slimeball Beck does who doesn't actively torpedo great candidates.

You're only getting Beck because you're not demanding better.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Yeah... I remember well in the late 90's when people were saying "But he balanced the budget! The economy is doing great! Stop picking on poor Bill!"

My response was always thus: "In a country of 300 million people, surely we can find one to do the same thing who isn't openly lying about boning his staffers."

So I give a similar response: In a country of 300 million people, we can find one to do the same thing slimeball Beck does who doesn't actively torpedo great candidates.

You're only getting Beck because you're not demanding better.

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[JohnEngland]

Yeah... I remember well in the late 90's when people were saying "But he balanced the budget! The economy is doing great! Stop picking on poor Bill!"

My response was always thus: "In a country of 300 million people, surely we can find one to do the same thing who isn't openly lying about boning his staffers."

So I give a similar response: In a country of 300 million people, we can find one to do the same thing slimeball Beck does who doesn't actively torpedo great candidates.

You're only getting Beck because you're not demanding better.

You make a good point.

However, if people boycott and attack Beck, producers are going to think that it's the content of his shows that's the problem - on the contrary, it's just his personality.

It's much easier for news channels to play it safe with bland, boring, non-news, like CNN. Beck may not be perfect, but by supporting a show like his we surely encourage TV producers to make more shows like it in the future - but better.

 

[JohnEngland]

The easiest way to lead people off the edge is by enticing them with bread crumbs. When will people learn?

The only way we are going to change things for the better is through one on one contact. Interact with people. Get to know people. Build communities. Educate in person. Activism. TV IS OUR ENEMY.

I agree with you there, that it's one-to-one interaction and educating people wherever we can that is going change things.

However, at the end of the day, if I'm going to sit down and watch anything on TV (which I don't do much of), it's probably going to be Beck haha

 

[jmdrake]

But did you see Beck's show yesterday (12th). It was great - he had some guy from Harvard, Reason and another and they were discussing Europe and America's financial situations.

We need shows like this on TV. He may not be to everyone's liking, but he talks about very important issues that others don't.

Edit: And just to defend the guy a bit more (which I'm sure is very popular ) the reason things went wrong with Medina is not because Beck is "against liberty" etc. It's because she screwed up big time with that whole 9/11 truth stuff. There is no other answer to that question but "no".

If you watch Beck regularly, as I do, you'd see he's had Rand, Schiff, Ron etc. several times. He's a good guy - though crazy and unpredictable, too

Nonsense! Medina was setup. Beck edited the clip to make her look as bad as possible. Glenn Beck was already openly backing Rick Perry! Glenn Beck is NOT our friend. Not in the least.

 

[fisharmor]

You make a good point.

However, if people boycott and attack Beck, producers are going to think that it's the content of his shows that's the problem - on the contrary, it's just his personality.

It's much easier for news channels to play it safe with bland, boring, non-news, like CNN. Beck may not be perfect, but by supporting a show like his we surely encourage TV producers to make more shows like it in the future - but better.

You also make a good point.

However, this includes two assumptions that I don't accept.

The first assumption is that Beck's personality is the problem. No, his content is the problem. When he has a liberty candidate on, and actively tries to torpedo her campaign, that's content. That content is the problem, just like how the pro-war content is a problem.

Second, you assume I care what TV producers think about this. Smart TV producers know that their days are numbered: it's only a matter of time before they're facing the exact same fate as newspapers.

In 10 years everyone in the developed world will be watching whatever news they want to watch on their phones. The industry is only going to get more cutthroat because the medium is becoming irrelevant.

TV producers have two options:
1) Abandon their existing models for figuring out what people want, which are all still based on pre-2000 assumptions that there are no other media,

2) Abandon the medium altogether and jump on the internet, where they will be competing with everyone from the Southern Avenger to Russia Today for my attention.

I can guarantee they're not going with #2, because viewers figure out pretty quickly that there's a whole rest of the world that the same big networks have been pretending doesn't exist for the last 100 years, and we tend to get kinda pissed about that. So they're going to have to start paying attention to what we want, if they want us to keep watching TV.

 

[nayjevin]

I'm Becoming More and More Libertarian Every Day

Translation: Frank Luntz tells me more self-described libertarians are watching me than ever before.

But not anymore.

 

[JohnEngland]

You also make a good point.

However, this includes two assumptions that I don't accept.

The first assumption is that Beck's personality is the problem. No, his content is the problem. When he has a liberty candidate on, and actively tries to torpedo her campaign, that's content. That content is the problem, just like how the pro-war content is a problem.

Second, you assume I care what TV producers think about this. Smart TV producers know that their days are numbered: it's only a matter of time before they're facing the exact same fate as newspapers.

In 10 years everyone in the developed world will be watching whatever news they want to watch on their phones. The industry is only going to get more cutthroat because the medium is becoming irrelevant.

TV producers have two options:
1) Abandon their existing models for figuring out what people want, which are all still based on pre-2000 assumptions that there are no other media,

2) Abandon the medium altogether and jump on the internet, where they will be competing with everyone from the Southern Avenger to Russia Today for my attention.

I can guarantee they're not going with #2, because viewers figure out pretty quickly that there's a whole rest of the world that the same big networks have been pretending doesn't exist for the last 100 years, and we tend to get kinda pissed about that. So they're going to have to start paying attention to what we want, if they want us to keep watching TV.

Yes, that's true. Which is why we must all support Freedom Watch - an excellent show and certainly the way forward.

But Beck's had liberty candidates on before and it's been fine - Rand and Peter, for example.

But anyway, you're right - TV is dying and the internet is the future. But ya know, I still like Beck. I'm sorry guys!! I can't help it haha

 

[undergroundrr]

Also, it goes back to the C4L discussions after the survey commercial. Foreign policy was the biggest issue of the Ron Paul campaign. It is so painful to Beck to start to question his own beliefs about killing poor brown people, and anybody in any way associated with Ron Paul is going to cause him to go kneejerk defensive.

I know it seemed like Beck was attacking Medina on that show. But really the "Absolutely Not is the only answer" crap is his terrified attempt to shield himself and his viewers from having to look the beast in the face. That all of his pontificating on about the failings of Washington DC apply to the CIA and the military as well.

The standard-issue truther is crazy and paranoid, just like the neocons say. But this hands-off blank-out attitude about foreign policy by those who distrust the government about virtually everything else (except drugs and prostitution) is even crazier.

People are damning her very reasoned response to an attempt to paint her black or white. I'm proud that she decided to stand up for those who inquire. Even if she loses this election, standing her ground on this, as timid and shaky as it seemed on the air, maintains a foundation of courage that would have been completely lost with the "No, those people are crazy" so many wish she'd delivered.

 

[nayjevin]

I still like Beck.

It's so hard to believe anyone would have that opinion honestly. But if you do, try this:

YouTube - Glenn Beck Continues His Fake Crying Act

 

[nayjevin]

The standard-issue truther is crazy and paranoid.......an attempt to paint her black or white.

Hm.

 

[tmosley]

Glen Beck is a sociopath. He does a great job of fooling most of the people. Until he turns on you.

You can't go back to believing that he is sincere after the hack job he pulled. If you do, you are setting yourself up to have it happen again, only it will be worse next time.