Given that Trump lost the popular vote is it still time to do away with the Electoral College?

[Anti Federalist]

For extra credit, list the Presidents who got less than 50% of the popular vote.

Good Question...Bush in 2000 and Trump in 2016 I know of.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Trump didn't lose the popular vote.

 

[CPUd]

For pity's sake, we're not a damnable democracy.

The fact that Trump broadcasts this is not promising. Let us hope it was some low-ranking staff dipshit who sent it out.

That aside - any system is only as good as the people using it. Anything can be corrupted.

He tweeted it. The other day he said he doesn't like the Electoral College but also that he does.

Donald Trump: I hated--well, you know, I’m not going to change my mind just because I won. But I would rather see it where you went with simple votes. You know, you get 100 million votes and somebody else gets 90 million votes and you win. There’s a reason for doing this because it brings all the states into play. Electoral College and there’s something very good about that. But this is a different system. But I respect it. I do respect the system.

 

[Danke]

Trump didn't lose the popular vote.

Are you saying illegals and dead people don't count?

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I'm seeing on Fedbook that some group has confirmed that at least 3mil illegals voted. It's an understatement to say we have a good idea who they voted for. Also since it was necessary, overseas votes were not counted, a good 2/3 would've went to Trump.

Subtract 3mil illegal votes for Hitlery and add in the overseas votes and Trump stomped Hitlery in the popular vote.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Are you saying illegals and dead people don't count?

lol

I'm just sayin' scumbags are gonna scumbag.

Trump didn't lose the popular vote. You could say it was stolen from him and probably be accurate, but we don't even have all the votes counted yet, so it's kinda moot at the moment.

Just heard on the radio at a Chili's restaurant yesterday an "elderly man wearing a Trump t-shirt" confronted a veteran in uniform and said "When I was fighting in Germany, we didn't allow blacks in the army"

Seriously? Is somebody with half an ounce of sanity really going to do that?

These ass-wipes are being paid to stir up shit like this - no doubt in my mind.

 

[jllundqu]

Trump didn't lose the popular vote.

Yes. He did. Unless and until ANY reputable source says otherwise. Allegations of 'millions of illegals' are a red herring. Bring some data to your argument, otherwise it's a baseless assertion.

 

[Seraphim]

Exactly. Ron Paul was robbed via a crooked Primary as was Bernie Sanders. If it weren't for primarily wanting the GOP to break up and create a viable 3rd party, I wouldn't have a dog in the fight. Trump's win probably killed that dream, giving credibility to the theory that membership one of the two major parties is still required to win. While Donald Trump would have lost running as an Independent or LP, I believe critical mass was building, and that his loss would have caused a lot more Republicans to start thinking outside of the box during future elections. The GOP has no cause to change now, the MIC and Wall St running it can now continue the status quo. That wouldn't have been the case with half their votes going to a 3rd party Trump.

I disagree...Trump turned the Republican establishment on it's head and then he went ahead and did the same the thing head to head against the Dem candidate.

I think Trump winning the R candidacy is an indication that the Republican party is already in the process of changing in a very substantial way. There is a reason why the R establishment HATED Trump. He's not one of them. Furthermore he has been saying for 35 years that the billionaire class HATE him. Think about that for a moment.

Believe me I would have much preferred a Rand Paul presidency, but my goodness Trump is the first time in decades that a non establishment shit head represented either of the 2 main parties once the primaries were settled.

He is flawed candidate but he broke BOTH the Republican establishment and the Democratic establishment IN 16 MONTHS.

Can you fucking imagine if Jeb Bush won the R ticket and this fucking election came down to choosing between a Clinton and Bush......AGAIN.

This world absolutely needed a massive shake up and we got it. BREXIT represents a very similar shift on the other side of the world.

I truly believe LIBERTY is making a come back...and Trump AT LEAST represents a SEISMIC shift in the way people view the political class and it's media sycophants. Do I think he's a great liberty candidate? Not really. But I trust him to at least TRY to represent the every day American (and the little guy around world).

Most important: Trump winning will stop WW3 with Russia in it's tracks. WW3 was coming fast and furious with Clinton and her ilk in power...we were getting a Russian-American centered WW3 with her in power. What she and the Obama admin. have done is disgraceful. Putting long range nuclear missiles right on the Polish/Russian border within easy striking distance of ALL of Russia...absolutely insane and unacceptable. What the Obama/Clinton admin. has done is precisely what the Russians did during the 1963 Cuban Missile Crisis. Except this time the shoe is on the other foot and it's America acting like an insane psychopath.

I thanked God at 2:48am Eastern on Nov. 9th when it was officially announced that Trump won because my fears of nuclear war were dramatically alleviated.

The Russians have been conducting national emergency drills for over a month now shutting down huge portions of their country (40 fucking million people at a time) to PRACTICE WHAT TO DO WHEN/IF THEY ARE HIT BY A NUCLEAR/EMP STRIKE.

I actually look forward to seeing what Trump can really do. I'm not going to underestimate this man's capability after I just watched him single handedly upset and defeat the ENTIRE American political Establishment.

 

[thoughtomator]

[MENTION=26979]Seraphim[/MENTION] good to know at least a few people here are still sane.

I'm blown away by how many don't get this, or don't want to get it. Really taken aback by the immaturity that I'm seeing around here.

 

[Seraphim]

[MENTION=26979]Seraphim[/MENTION] good to know at least a few people here are still sane.

I'm blown away by how many don't get this, or don't want to get it. Really taken aback by the immaturity that I'm seeing around here.

The reality is that there are more people who think like this then we think - I've begun seeing this recently. The left and the anti-liberty types are the LOUDEST. They are incredibility over represented in media, education and all over the place. The ones like us generally stay quiet.

While all the special snowflake leftifts and brainwashed boomer liberals cry (literally) over Clinton losing and throwing temper tantrums, a lot of our types are poking our heads out of the woods and looking around and spotting each other and realizing "shit not only am I not alone but we might actually be a majority".

MOST people, believe it or not, are OPEN to liberty. When our positions are rationally and intelligently explained FAR more people then we initially thought actually begin to come around and say things like "Wow you know I never really looked at it like that." And soon thereafter they begin to spot authoritarianism all over the place and the seed of liberty begins to grow.

Fear not my liberty loving friends. Whether Trump makes American Great Again or not - the tides are not turning....THEY HAVE ALREADY TURNED.

Now we prepare for the death knell of the current establishment - they are going to make this as painful as possible. Things may get VERY ugly before the seeds of these liberty plants begin to sprout...but Ron Paul, his movement and the grassroots of liberty have planted more liberty seeds then you can imagine.

The harvest is coming and it will be beautiful when it blossoms.

 

[otherone]

Lots of magical thinking going on around here.
I hope Trump buys me a pony.
*fingers crossed*

 

[Lucille]

God help us.

 

[Seraphim]

Lots of magical thinking going on around here.
I hope Trump buys me a pony.
*fingers crossed*

Can you give an example of the fantasy you are referring too?

 

[AuH20]

I disagree...Trump turned the Republican establishment on it's head and then he went ahead and did the same the thing head to head against the Dem candidate.

I think Trump winning the R candidacy is an indication that the Republican party is already in the process of changing in a very substantial way. There is a reason why the R establishment HATED Trump. He's not one of them. Furthermore he has been saying for 35 years that the billionaire class HATE him. Think about that for a moment.

Believe me I would have much preferred a Rand Paul presidency, but my goodness Trump is the first time in decades that a non establishment $#@! head represented either of the 2 main parties once the primaries were settled.

He is flawed candidate but he broke BOTH the Republican establishment and the Democratic establishment IN 16 MONTHS.

Can you $#@!ing imagine if Jeb Bush won the R ticket and this $#@!ing election came down to choosing between a Clinton and Bush......AGAIN.

This world absolutely needed a massive shake up and we got it. BREXIT represents a very similar shift on the other side of the world.

I truly believe LIBERTY is making a come back...and Trump AT LEAST represents a SEISMIC shift in the way people view the political class and it's media sycophants. Do I think he's a great liberty candidate? Not really. But I trust him to at least TRY to represent the every day American (and the little guy around world).

Most important: Trump winning will stop WW3 with Russia in it's tracks. WW3 was coming fast and furious with Clinton and her ilk in power...we were getting a Russian-American centered WW3 with her in power. What she and the Obama admin. have done is disgraceful. Putting long range nuclear missiles right on the Polish/Russian border within easy striking distance of ALL of Russia...absolutely insane and unacceptable. What the Obama/Clinton admin. has done is precisely what the Russians did during the 1963 Cuban Missile Crisis. Except this time the shoe is on the other foot and it's America acting like an insane psychopath.

I thanked God at 2:48am Eastern on Nov. 9th when it was officially announced that Trump won because my fears of nuclear war were dramatically alleviated.

The Russians have been conducting national emergency drills for over a month now shutting down huge portions of their country (40 $#@!ing million people at a time) to PRACTICE WHAT TO DO WHEN/IF THEY ARE HIT BY A NUCLEAR/EMP STRIKE.

I actually look forward to seeing what Trump can really do. I'm not going to underestimate this man's capability after I just watched him single handedly upset and defeat the ENTIRE American political Establishment.

Finally, some sanity as opposed to utter condemnation. Trump hasn't even been inaugurated yet and people are derisively labeling him a failure. You'd wish they would learn from past mistakes. Trump has made a habit of making his critics look like fools, once the smoke finally cleared.

 

[CaptUSA]

Finally, some sanity as opposed to utter condemnation. Trump hasn't even been inaugurated yet and people are derisively labeling him a failure. You'd wish they would learn from past mistakes. Trump has made a habit of making his critics look like fools, once the smoke finally cleared.

Damn, where'd I hear that message before??? Oh, I remember! It was 2008 and it was Obama. Same. Damned. Thing.


Trump got elected promoting an anti-liberty message. We're not getting on board, and we'll fight all along the way. If he appoints someone good, he'll get credit for it. Unfortunately, it most likely be wrapped up in about 50 shitty appointments. But you don't "wait and see" with an authoritarian. Neither Trump nor Obama.

 

[AuH20]

Damn, where'd I hear that message before??? Oh, I remember! It was 2008 and it was Obama. Same. Damned. Thing.


Trump got elected promoting an anti-liberty message. We're not getting on board, and we'll fight all along the way. If he appoints someone good, he'll get credit for it. Unfortunately, it most likely be wrapped up in about 50 $#@!ty appointments. But you don't "wait and see" with an authoritarian. Neither Trump nor Obama.

Obama was a career politician groomed from his days at Columbia. Trump was a former reform party candidate from the private sector. Completely different pedigrees and expectations.

 

[CaptUSA]

Obama was a career politician groomed from his days at Columbia. Trump was a former reform party candidate from the private sector. Completely different pedigrees and expectations.

Obama was a slick-tongued politician who had the ability to make people think what they wanted to believe about him in spite of all evidence. Same goes for Trump.

 

[otherone]

Can you give an example of the fantasy you are referring too?

Not fantasy...magical thinking:

-Trump turned the Republican establishment on it's head
-Trump winning the R candidacy is an indication that the Republican party is already in the process of changing in a very substantial way.
-he broke BOTH the Republican establishment and the Democratic establishment IN 16 MONTHS.
-This world absolutely needed a massive shake up and we got it. BREXIT represents a very similar shift on the other side of the world.
-I truly believe LIBERTY is making a come back
-I trust him to at least TRY to represent the every day American (and the little guy around world).
-Trump winning will stop WW3 with Russia in it's tracks.

magical thinking. I expect a pony outta the deal.

 

[AuH20]

Obama was a slick-tongued politician who had the ability to make people think what they wanted to believe about him in spite of all evidence. Same goes for Trump.

Trump understands human beings very well. I give him credit for finally using the enemy's playbook. How else was he going to get the older Republican votes that Ron was walled off from? Hmmm. Boastfulness gets votes.

 

[Seraphim]

Not fantasy...magical thinking:



magical thinking. I expect a pony outta the deal.

Eh...some of these things are not that difficult to see or prove. I'm okay with you not agreeing...time will tell if he'll do a good job or not.

I viewed Clinton as a 100% chance the Presidency would harm America from it's current state. I view(ed) Trump as a coin flip.

I'm Canadian

I would not have voted for Trump...I would have written Ron Paul in or something like that.


But if a gun were put to my head and I had to pick Trump or Clinton head to head I'd be screaming "TRUMP TRUMP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DON'T SHOOT ME I PICK TRUMP!!!"

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