Given that Trump lost the popular vote is it still time to do away with the Electoral College?

[charrob]

Reread what was said. Not all votes have yet been counted

Right. But my confusion was 'do they refrain from adding in the popular vote if the electoral vote has not yet been added in'? In other words, Michigan has not been called so it's electoral votes have not been added to the tallies. Since the electoral votes have not been added, have the popular votes obtained so far in Michigan been added to the tally? According to Zippy, Michigan's electoral votes have not been added, however, Michigan's popular votes have been added.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I answered you on another thread.

Yes, he did by about 200k votes.

I wouldn't bet on that just yet.

 

[Ender]

I wouldn't bet on that just yet.

Not betting on anything, as yet.

Still so many votes not in that there is room for a state to flip. Would be very interesting.

 

[charrob]

I wouldn't bet on that just yet.

I agree; it just seems pre-mature to say he lost the popular vote if 3 of the states have not yet even been called... it just seems there's too much arguing about this around the web when we're not even sure of the final results of the election. Trump so far has won by ~90,000 votes in Arizona but Arizona has not been called: it's electoral votes have not been added to the tallies; do they withhold adding a state's popular votes until that state's electoral votes are added in so both can be added in at the same time? It would seem to be more logical and consistent to do so, yet Zippy believes that's not how they do it. I haven't found anything on the web as to what their procedures are.

 

[unknown]

What about "winner takes all"?

Why are all of CA's electoral votes (for example) going to one candidate when 35% of the residents voted for the rival.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Michael Moore's "viral" Morning After To-Do List:

1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.

2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn't let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must "heal the divide" and “come together.” They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off.

3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.

Say what?

4. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You're fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.

100% agreed.

5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above). Let's try to get this all done by noon today. -- Michael Moore

I don't get this...

You don't want to live in a country run by Donald Trump. I get that. I sympathize with that! But why do you want to force your views on everyone else as though THAT is okay?

How do people not get this?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Say what?

I don't get this...

You don't want to live in a country run by Donald Trump. I get that. I sympathize with that! But why do you want to force your views on everyone else as though THAT is okay?

How do people not get this?

If a majority choose one thing and are forced to accept a different thing, who is doing the imposing? We could have been saved the disasterous George W. Bush and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. (Don't know if Gore would have been that great either- another election with two bad options).

 

[unknown]

For only the 5th time in our election history, a candidate has won the presidency while losing the popular vote.

Trump's statement when he thought Romney would lose the election but win the popular vote:

Should the Electoral College be removed, or should it only exist when your chosen candidate wins?

http://bgr.com/2016/11/09/trump-twitter-obama-election/

 

[A Son of Liberty]

If a majority choose one thing and are forced to accept a different thing, who is doing the imposing? We could have been saved the disasterous George W. Bush and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. (Don't know if Gore would have been that great either- another election with two bad options).

"We".

My question stands. If Michael Moore and those like-minded don't want to live in a country where Donald Trump is president, why do those folks think it's okay to force everyone else to live in a country under their favored president?

 

[Zippyjuan]

So what the majority chooses does not matter.

 

[JK/SEA]

But if we did away with voting, how would we vote on things

we could just have one guy decide for us...save a lot of time and money.

 

[JK/SEA]

So what the majority chooses does not matter.

yes and no.

 

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

So what the majority chooses does not matter.

Sure doesn't. Fuck the masses.

 

[JK/SEA]

What about "winner takes all"?

Why are all of CA's electoral votes (for example) going to one candidate when 35% of the residents voted for the rival.

its complicated, but after you study how the electoral college works, you'll be flabergasted....i promise.

 

[AngryCanadian]

How about get rid of the popular vote?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

So what the majority chooses does not matter.

What does that have to do with the question I asked you?

 

[rg17]

The electoral college should be proportional. If a Candidate has won 75% or higher then that candidate will take all of the electoral votes.

 

[A Son of Liberty]

So what the majority chooses does not matter.

Let me try it this way, maybe:

It's entirely fair that Michael Moore is offended at the notion that Donald Trump is going to be setting the political agenda - and all of the reciprocal effects that will have on him and his like-minded folks. My question is, given that they themselves feel put-upon, why would they (or anyone) feel as though it's appropriate to "put-upon" others?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Would you feel the same if it was Rand (or Ron) Paul who won the popular vote and Clinton won the Electoral College?

 

[A Son of Liberty]

Would you feel the same if it was Rand (or Ron) Paul who won the popular vote and Clinton won the Electoral College?

Would you get around to answering the question?