Given that Trump lost the popular vote is it still time to do away with the Electoral College?

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For only the 5th time in our election history, a candidate has won the presidency while losing the popular vote.

Trump's statement when he thought Romney would lose the election but win the popular vote:

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Should the Electoral College be removed, or should it only exist when your chosen candidate wins?
 
It is a disaster for democracy but great for a Constitutional Republic. It protects the minority.

Yes, voting for people who vote for us, has done a great job, at protecting the minority

Think how much better it would be, if we voted for people, who voted for people, who vote for us.

We could save the Republic.
 
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This is the leading discussion among my liberal Facebook friends.

But theirs is probably based on sour grapes due to their losing candidate. Mine is focused on pointing out partisan stupidity. The fact that a candidate that wanted to do away with the Electoral College wins an election because of it is comical. The fact that he makes no mention of it shows the hypocrisy that is rife in both parties. I've made no secret that I would like to see the GOP implode and the remnants join the LP or form a viable 3rd Party based on Libertarian principles/Ron Paul ideologies.
 
He also called US tax system bad and took advantage of its loopholes for his businesses gains.

He played by the rules in place and won spending 63% less than SWC-DGP moneybaggers cabal per electoral vote.

I suspect that if victory was based on popular vote, Trumpster would have found a way to beat Clinton on that front also by adjusting his strategy.

Having been exposed to Casino betting business, he probably has access to some of the best statistical experts compared to what mediocre MSM pundits relied on.

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Hillary supporters probably would be upset at her for wasting their money on votes that didn't matter.

Hillary Spent Nearly Twice As Much Per Vote As Trump... For Nothing

Nov 9, 2016 12:50 PM
Donald Trump pulled off one of the biggest upsets in American political history last night and he was able to do it after spending nearly half of what the Clinton campaign spent. According to Reuters, Hillary Clinton raised over $520 million for her campaign compared to only $270 million for Trump, much of which came out of his own pocket. Given the current popular vote count those spending figures equate to roughly $8.80 per Hillary vote versus $4.57 for Trump. Moreover, those spending figures don't even factor in the money spent by the various Super PACs where Hillary likely outspent Trump by a hefty margin as well.
 
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Is it confirmed he lost the popular vote?

Is it confirmed he lost the popular vote?

The election results from the nytimes and others ( http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president) seem to be showing that the electoral votes for Michigan, Arizona, and New Hampshire have still not been added to the totals, so if the electoral votes haven't been added, I wonder if the popular votes have been added?

Does anyone know anything more about this?
 
Is it confirmed he lost the popular vote?

The election results from the nytimes and others ( http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president) seem to be showing that the electoral votes for Michigan, Arizona, and New Hampshire have still not been added to the totals, so if the electoral votes haven't been added, I wonder if the popular votes have been added?

Does anyone know anything more about this?
Yeah, they are not all totaled yet.

I was going to agree with the OP's point, but there is another thing to consider if she does win the popular vote:

All Chump has to do to be consistent is to say she only won the popular vote due to voter fraud, or election fraud. I'm really (pleasantly)surprised that I didn't read posts in this thread from his supporters saying that.

Also, as enhanced-deficit reminds me, Chump would just say that although he is against the electoral college, he accepts his win because he is just following the rules that are in place, and Killary should have changed them like he'd been paying her to do.

So, what he should really do to be consistent is to push to do away with the electoral college during his presidency, even though it helped give him his win, so that things could be "fair" when he is up for re-election.

(I'm not saying I am against the electoral college, but the discussion is about Chump's hypocrisy.)
 
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Is it confirmed he lost the popular vote?

The election results from the nytimes and others ( http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president) seem to be showing that the electoral votes for Michigan, Arizona, and New Hampshire have still not been added to the totals, so if the electoral votes haven't been added, I wonder if the popular votes have been added?

Does anyone know anything more about this?

The states are still too close to call a victory for either candidate yet but their votes counted so far are included in the tally. Given that they are toss-ups, the remaining votes are likely close to each other too and not going to shift the total popular vote in either direction. Don't know how many votes are still outstanding but not likely enough to erase a 200,000 vote lead (other state totals are not final yet either- mail in ballots and absentee and provisional ballots are not all counted in all states).
 
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The states are still too close to call a victory for either candidate yet but their votes counted so far are included in the tally. Given that they are toss-ups, the remaining votes are likely close to each other too and not going to shift the total popular vote in either direction.

>>> but their votes counted so far are included in the tally.

Thanks Zippy; that makes sense. So the popular votes are added in, however, the electoral votes of those 3 states have not yet been added in?
 
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>>> but their votes counted so far are included in the tally.

Thanks Zippy; that makes sense. So the popular votes are added in, however, the electoral votes of those 3 states have not yet been added in?

Reread what was said. Not all votes have yet been counted
 
For only the 5th time in our election history, a candidate has won the presidency while losing the popular vote.



Should the Electoral College be removed, or should it only exist when your chosen candidate wins?

Stop fucking with the Constitution.
 
Michael Moore's "viral" Morning After To-Do List:

1. Take over the Democratic Party and return it to the people. They have failed us miserably.

2. Fire all pundits, predictors, pollsters and anyone else in the media who had a narrative they wouldn't let go of and refused to listen to or acknowledge what was really going on. Those same bloviators will now tell us we must "heal the divide" and “come together.” They will pull more hooey like that out of their ass in the days to come. Turn them off.

3. Any Democratic member of Congress who didn’t wake up this morning ready to fight, resist and obstruct in the way Republicans did against President Obama every day for eight full years must step out of the way and let those of us who know the score lead the way in stopping the meanness and the madness that's about to begin.

4. Everyone must stop saying they are “stunned” and “shocked.” What you mean to say is that you were in a bubble and weren’t paying attention to your fellow Americans and their despair. YEARS of being neglected by both parties, the anger and the need for revenge against the system only grew. Along came a TV star they liked whose plan was to destroy both parties and tell them all “You're fired!” Trump’s victory is no surprise. He was never a joke. Treating him as one only strengthened him. He is both a creature and a creation of the media and the media will never own that.

5. You must say this sentence to everyone you meet today: “HILLARY CLINTON WON THE POPULAR VOTE!” The MAJORITY of our fellow Americans preferred Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump. Period. Fact. If you woke up this morning thinking you live in an effed-up country, you don’t. The majority of your fellow Americans wanted Hillary, not Trump. The only reason he’s president is because of an arcane, insane 18th-century idea called the Electoral College. Until we change that, we’ll continue to have presidents we didn’t elect and didn’t want. You live in a country where a majority of its citizens have said they believe there’s climate change, they believe women should be paid the same as men, they want a debt-free college education, they don’t want us invading countries, they want a raise in the minimum wage and they want a single-payer true universal health care system. None of that has changed. We live in a country where the majority agree with the “liberal” position. We just lack the liberal leadership to make that happen (see: #1 above). Let's try to get this all done by noon today. -- Michael Moore
 
Is it confirmed he lost the popular vote?

The election results from the nytimes and others ( http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president) seem to be showing that the electoral votes for Michigan, Arizona, and New Hampshire have still not been added to the totals, so if the electoral votes haven't been added, I wonder if the popular votes have been added?

Does anyone know anything more about this?

I answered you on another thread.

Yes, he did by about 200k votes.
 
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