Gingrich speech gave credit to Ron Paul on the Fed (video added)

[schiffheadbaby]

It makes no practical sense to help elect somebody who will do more harm to free enterprise rather than supporting somebody who will do less harm to it.

yes it does.

Newt ruins free enterprise when he talks about how he is for capitalism and then votes for every big gov bill in the world ensuring a financial collapse. People then blame capitalism for the fall.

GA can't be convinced, probably a RNC donor trying to sway ppl here

 

[The Gold Standard]

It makes no practical sense to help elect somebody who will do more harm to free enterprise rather than supporting somebody who will do less harm to it.

How would Obama do more harm to it? We haven't had a free market for 100 years? Do you think Newt's plan for the federal government to run health care would be more "free market" than Obama's plan?

Do you think we are going to have free market money with either one? I know you will feel better about Newt as he talks about sound money, but you must know that the only way to pay for the wars he wants us in is for the Fed to print the money to buy the treasuries to pay for them.

There is no difference. The government is the answer to every question for both of them. They just have some different ideas of how the government should do the job.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

yes it does.

Newt ruins free enterprise when he talks about how he is for capitalism and then votes for every big gov bill in the world ensuring a financial collapse. People then blame capitalism for the fall.

GA can't be convinced, probably a RNC donor trying to sway ppl here

That part it true. And Obama ruins the socialism label.

And NOBP ruins the liberty label.

So whatever happens, a label will be ruined.

You are too oversensative. Don't you hate Rand as well for being politicall savvy?

I have to wonder if you enjoy being in the minority and never getting your candidate elected or ideas spread.

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

How would Obama do more harm to it? We haven't had a free market for 100 years? Do you think Newt's plan for the federal government to run health care would be more "free market" than Obama's plan?

Do you think we are going to have free market money with either one? I know you will feel better about Newt as he talks about sound money, but you must know that the only way to pay for the wars he wants us in is for the Fed to print the money to buy the treasuries to pay for them.

There is no difference. The government is the answer to every question for both of them. They just have some different ideas of how the government should do the job.

There is a noticeable level of degree. Stop dealing in absolutes.

 

[tsetsefly]

He is just pandering... fuck off newt, you will get almost no RP supporters if you where to win the nomination...

 

[schiffheadbaby]

There is a noticeable level of degree. Stop dealing in absolutes.

I love free enterprise. It makes me vomit when newt talks about how he is the marketplace candidate when he clearly isn't. Another case of newt lying. At least members of the communist party are honest about their intentions

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

For the record I would never support Newt in a primary and he is obviously pandering.

 

[The Gold Standard]

There is a noticeable level of degree. Stop dealing in absolutes.

Please educate me. What is this noticeable degree of difference?

 

[schiffheadbaby]

Please educate me. What is this noticeable degree of difference?

Can't educate this guy. He thinks the GOP is a small government party even though every single GOP'er besides Ron grows government and makes capitalism look like a joke.

Now they hijack Ron's platform and the masses like GA fall for it, at least to some extent

 

[MsDoodahs]

Can't educate this guy. He thinks the GOP is a small government party even though every single GOP'er besides Ron grows government and makes capitalism look like a joke.

Now they hijack Ron's platform and the masses like GA fall for it, at least to some extent

Look, Newt is FROM Georgia so there is a big love of him in that state, which is what helped Newt in SC (he's the "boy next door").

GA Avenger is ... FROM Georgia, so he may want to support Newt to "fit in" with all the other knuckleheads from my beloved home state (which saddens me that they back that cretin, but ... they do.)

 

[tsetsefly]

yes it does.

Newt ruins free enterprise when he talks about how he is for capitalism and then votes for every big gov bill in the world ensuring a financial collapse. People then blame capitalism for the fall.

GA can't be convinced, probably a RNC donor trying to sway ppl here

Exactly, just like with Bush, grew the debt, public spending, government involvement in education, healthcare and the bailouts... Terrible...

 

[schiffheadbaby]

Exactly, just like with Bush, grew the debt, public spending, government involvement in education, healthcare and the bailouts... Terrible...

and then people who don't think things through blame capitalism and conservatism because the media says "george was a huge capitalist and conservative."

in this way the standard GOP'er infuriates me more than your typical lib who at least doesn't pretend to care about the private sector or markets

 

[thehungarian]

Please educate me. What is this noticeable degree of difference?

The two parties are two heads of the same behemoth. One openly advocates the welfare state while the other openly lies about supporting limited government. They both advocate the warfare state. What a difference!

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Please educate me. What is this noticeable degree of difference?

Bush added 60 billion in regulatory costs in his 8 years.

As of March 2011, nearly a year ago, Obama had added 40 billion in regulatory costs.

ObamaCare will wreck the healthcare industry completely and add 52 billion in new taxes

I get told R's and D's are completely the same. But it is a level of degree.

As bad as Bush was, he cut taxes and proposed privatizing social security. So why am I supposed to believe R's won't repeal ObamaCare?

ObamaCare is going to bite the NOBP's(who haven't been endorsed by Paul, btw) in the rear

 

[GeorgiaAvenger]

Look, Newt is FROM Georgia so there is a big love of him in that state, which is what helped Newt in SC (he's the "boy next door").

GA Avenger is ... FROM Georgia, so he may want to support Newt to "fit in" with all the other knuckleheads from my beloved home state (which saddens me that they back that cretin, but ... they do.)

No I hate Newt, and I don't care about fitting in.

 

[schiffheadbaby]

Bush added 60 billion in regulatory costs in his 80 years.

As of March 2011, nearly a year ago, Obama had added 40 billion in regulatory costs.

ObamaCare will wreck the healthcare industry completely and add 52 billion in new taxes

I get told R's and D's are completely the same. But it is a level of degree.

As bad as Bush was, he cut taxes and proposed privatizing social security. So why am I supposed to believe R's won't repeal ObamaCare?

ObamaCare is going to bite the NOBP's(who haven't been endorsed by Paul, btw) in the rear

Because newt supports mandates in healthcare and so does romney and Santorum voted for Medicare Part D.

You are a simpleton, there is virtually no distinction.

 

[thehungarian]

No I hate Newt, and I don't care about fitting in.

 

[The Gold Standard]

Bush added 60 billion in regulatory costs in his 8 years.

As of March 2011, nearly a year ago, Obama had added 40 billion in regulatory costs.

ObamaCare will wreck the healthcare industry completely and add 52 billion in new taxes

I get told R's and D's are completely the same. But it is a level of degree.

As bad as Bush was, he cut taxes and proposed privatizing social security. So why am I supposed to believe R's won't repeal ObamaCare?

ObamaCare is going to bite the NOBP's(who haven't been endorsed by Paul, btw) in the rear

Newt Gingrich is going to get support in Congress to repeal Obamacare by going in there and saying what? "Look guys, we are marching into several more countries whether you like it or not, now get behind me to repeal your president's signature health care plan even though I don't really oppose it, I just have to try to do it so I have a chance of being reelected."?

 

[schiffheadbaby]

Newt Gingrich is going to get support in Congress to repeal Obamacare by going in there and saying what? "Look guys, we are marching into several more countries whether you like it or not, now get behind me to repeal your president's signature health care plan even though I don't really oppose it, I just have to try to do it so I have a chance of being reelected."?

Good one.

I mean Newt was all for bank bailouts, medicare part d. that dude means what he says right? what a joke.

Ron Paul is the only solid GOP'er

 

[GrahamUK]

Newt Gingrich is going to get support in Congress to repeal Obamacare by going in there and saying what? "Look guys, we are marching into several more countries whether you like it or not, now get behind me to repeal your president's signature health care plan even though I don't really oppose it, I just have to try to do it so I have a chance of being reelected."?

Hahahah thats pretty damn funny ...

Ok i know i'm fairly new here and NOT from the United States but I'm a massive Ron Paul fan and i believe in his message with every bone in my body.. Some folks here who are trying to argue the lesser of 2 evils and suggesting that Newt is for the free market and capitalism should do some research on what free market capitalism is... May I suggest the following:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3N2sNnGwa4

There are NO degrees or levels of capitalism and free markets.. The minute you have government poking around trying to 'fix' up the economy or subsidising businesses or work schemes (no matter how well intended they may be) they do more damage than good in the long term..

Believe me folks I live in Britain (formally known as GREAT Britain, but not so great anymore). Government intervention into business, National health care, along with a runaway welfare state has all but killed my country.. Its pretty late here but i think maybe over the next couple of days i will try and compile some figures and evidence on how bad things will get and post it in a thread...But basically from what i'm seeing a vote for anyone other than Dr. Paul is a vote for a socialistic welfare state and the eventual death of your great nation..You've already started down the path, there comes a point at which that path is of no return.. Don't you see? they want you to argue and fight among yourselves over who is the better debater or which has the best plan for health care bla bla bla... So long as the status quo is still in place and brown people from poor countries are dying while having their resources plundered, They wont care..