Get ready for a new war - Israeli Embassy in India attacked by car bomb !

[puppetmaster]

I don`t think they plan to use nukes.

Also US arming Israel with nukes was a strategic move in the context of a proxy war with Soviet Union in the middle east. Many Arab states were Soviet puppet regimes. Soviet Union used to have bases in Lybia and Syria for example.

"bunker buster" is a Nuke

 

[milo10]

The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like “Oslo’s rapists are foreigners,” which have been seen in media, are wrong. The report gives no statistics regarding religion of rapists.

Can a mod make his lettering a normal size? I resent that type of font usage in a discussion. If you can't speak in normal sized fonts, what does it say about your respect for others in a free exchange?

Besides which, you are playing games with statistics. You picked a year when assault rape was relatively low, and even then they were all foreigners. Assault rape is what most people generally mean when they say rape...not date rape, not statuatory rape, not what Assange was charged with in Sweden.

Video news report below with transcript.

Oslo: All Assault-Rapes commited by Non-Western Men



00:01:11:84 00:01:16:16 From 2005-2010 a total of 86 sexual assaults involving rape was reported
00:01:16:44 00:01:20:56 in 83 cases the man was described as having "non-western appearance"
00:01:20:83 00:01:24:65 these are all the cases in which the perpetrator could be identified by the victim
00:01:25:88 00:01:30:31 Many of the perpetrators who commit these rapes are on the edge of society
00:01:30:31 00:01:33:54 often unemployed, arriving from traumatized countries.
00:01:33:87 00:01:37:44 In the past five years it has often been asylum seekers
00:01:37:74 00:01:40:98 This girl was raped by a man of pakistani heritage
00:01:40:98 00:01:46:58 she is an ethnic norwegian as is almost all victims who are assaulted and then raped

One other interesting part of the transcript in the case covered, since you are harping on the fact that religion is unknown. The victim continues:

00:01:46:80 00:01:51:43 "He said, that he had the right to do exactly as he wanted to a woman"
00:01:51:67 00:01:55:41 Why? "Because that is how it was in his religion"
00:01:55:41 00:02:00:51 "Women did not have rights or oppinions, he was in charge"

 

[Danke]

"bunker buster" is a Nuke

Not necessarily.

 

[eduardo89]

"bunker buster" is a Nuke

GBU-28, GBU-37 and GBU-57, which are the most powerful bunker busters the US (Israel) has are not nukes.

 

[milo10]

I don`t think they plan to use nukes.

Also, US arming Israel with nukes was a strategic move in the context of a proxy war with Soviet Union in the middle east. Many Arab states were Soviet puppet regimes. Soviet Union used to have military bases in Lybia and Syria for example.

The United States armed Israel with nukes? That was honestly not my understanding at all. Are you just assuming that, or do you have a good knowledge of this before I start pulling up links?

 

[eduardo89]

The United States armed Israel with nukes? That was honestly not my understanding at all. Are you just assuming that, or do you have a good knowledge of this before I start pulling up links?

I always thought it was the French who gave Israel their first nuclear reactor...

 

[alex_florida]

What BS? And "showed my true colors"?? I'm very open about my opposition to Zionism. I'm very open about my opposition to an Israeli state. I'm very open to my opposition to a "two state solution". I believe in a one state solution for the Holy Land, not one based on a racist, supremacist, oppressive ideology like Zionism.

The most Arabs also believe in a one state solution for the Holy Land - the solution where all Jews will be dumped to the sea. I think you would like to see the Holy Land somewhat like Saudi Arabia where nobody except Muslims allowed live and nobody except Muslim can visit any Holy places.

 

[milo10]

I always thought it was the French who gave Israel their first nuclear reactor...

You're correct, but the story behind the weapons is more complex. For example:

"The CIA believed that Israel's first bombs may have been made with highly enriched uranium stolen in the mid-1960s from the US Navy nuclear fuel plant operated by the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, where sloppy material accounting would have masked the theft.[48][49]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

 

[milo10]

The most Arabs also believe in a one state solution for the Holy Land - the solution where all Jews will be dumped to the sea. I think you would like to see the Holy Land somewhat like Saudi Arabia where nobody except Muslims allowed live and nobody except Muslim can visit any Holy places.

At this point, that is probably the truth. Israel and the Arabs have been in a cycle of retribution for decades. It would be foolish to expect either side to be moral paragons. All you can do is work towards peace in steps.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Wow. Guess this showed your true colors.

I`m honestly glad me and Rafi are here to counter your BS, otherwise most people would think Paul`s base are people like you.

Interesting conversation, but that's bullshit itself. People can have a conversation on a message board without convincing anyone Paul's base is anything. And I'm not supporting anyone in this conversation, but get over yourselves. If you can make most people think Paul's base is something, then start a thread and go for it.

What makes your position any different than a muslim extremist? The problem with your stance of how the US can let Israel go it alone is that that ain't gonna happen. Americans will be expected to back Israel with the blood of our children.

People expecting that are going to get surprised. You know as the rest of us that we're getting pretty sick of constant war and at this point, it's not even a financial possibility right now if we are talking about russian and chinese involvement. I just don't see it happening.

 

[ExPatPaki]

You picked a year when assault rape was relatively low, and even then they were all foreigners.

It said Europeans were the majority of the perpetrators, not people with black skin color. So according to you all blacks are rapists?

 

[puppetmaster]

Regardless if any Nuke is used, A death caused for any religious reasons discredits the religion. IMO.

 

[milo10]

It said Europeans were the majority of the perpetrators, not people with black skin color. So according to you all blacks are rapists?

My god, you didn't even read the text that you so rudely inflated. Again:

The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like “Oslo’s rapists are foreigners,” which have been seen in media, are wrong. The report gives no statistics regarding religion of rapists.

And now, again, all the cases where the victim was able to view the perpetrator of the rape in all cases of assault rape from 2005 through 2010, the perpetrator was identified as of foreign origin.

00:01:11:84 00:01:16:16 From 2005-2010 a total of 86 sexual assaults involving rape was reported
00:01:16:44 00:01:20:56 in 83 cases the man was described as having "non-western appearance"
00:01:20:83 00:01:24:65 these are all the cases in which the perpetrator could be identified by the victim

 

[ExPatPaki]

One other interesting part of the transcript in the case covered, since you are harping on the fact that religion is unknown. The victim continues:

00:01:46:80 00:01:51:43 "He said, that he had the right to do exactly as he wanted to a woman"
00:01:51:67 00:01:55:41 Why? "Because that is how it was in his religion"
00:01:55:41 00:02:00:51 "Women did not have rights or oppinions, he was in charge"

So did this scenario happened for how many victims? 1 victim or all 86?

In any case, yes the religion is still unknown, so thanks for proving my point.

 

[ExPatPaki]

So non-western appearance equals those with non-white skin color right? Does foreign also mean that?

 

[milo10]

So did this scenario happened for how many victims? 1 victim or all 86?

In any case, yes the religion is still unknown, so thanks for proving my point.

The religion was not made part of the study, to my knowledge (I have not seen the original study). In the only case that I saw covered in depth, the rapist's religion, which was presumably Muslim as he was Pakistani, was used as a justification. This would be unusual under any circumstances. It is an odd coincidence, but one that I felt was interesting for this thread.

It is of course quite possible that many or most of the rapists are non-Muslims. However, all of the assault rapists who could be identified by the victim were described as non-Western in appearance by the victims.

 

[milo10]

So non-western appearance equals those with non-white skin color right?

Yes.

Does foreign also mean that?

It depends on the context of what you are reading. I don't want the issue muddled, as in this particular study, all of the identified rapists were non-Western.

 

[J_White]

this has become quite a debate !!