Get out of Gold now, price will plummet to $1450/oz: Dennis Gartman

You don't actually expect a majority of people find the above argument particularly convincing, do you?

Some will, some won't, but does it really matter either way?

There is no committee here. Nothing to vote on, and even if there was, being convinced of anything will not change the fundamentals or even much of the dynamics, whatever they are - even if I described them incorrectly.
 
Gold threads by YumYum:


Gold will plummet: the dollar will strengthen.
10-25-2009
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-Gold-will-plummet-the-dollar-will-strengthen.

What causes a ceiling in gold?
12-14-2009
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?222804-What-causes-a-ceiling-in-gold

What will be gold's bottom?
12-17-2009
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?223276-What-will-be-gold-s-bottom

Gold slides 2.7% as losses intensify
01-04-2011
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?274661-Gold-slides-2.7-as-losses-intensify

Get out of Gold now, price will plummet to $1450/oz: Dennis Gartman
12-14-2011
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-price-will-plummet-to-1450-oz-Dennis-Gartman

lol, but i must say it is nice to see YumYum and Jordan in the same thread.
 
I have done some research. Deposit your gold out of this country immediately. Asia is the best bet. We are going to have a economical martial law by the first quarter of next year.

So you are predicting martial law of sorts and your suggestion is to deposit your gold halfway around the world we don't have access to it? I'll stick to burying it underneath my shed -- if I hadn't already lost it all in a tragic boating accident that is.
 
It did plummet today. I'm going down with the ship. We'll see where it's at in 10 years.
 
If I had any gold, I sure wouldn't be selling it. I would be keeping it for the long haul. Why pay shipping both ways for when you decide to buy it all back again?
 
I am desperately hoping that this pm sell off continues. Who wouldn't want to accumulate more metal on the cheap. For those who believe in this bull market, a massive sell off is a blessing. You would think more people would have respect for physically accumulating the metal, especially in light of recent events at mf global.
 
+ rep.

Fundamentals are very much intact. It's irrational to want higher prices if you feel like your stash isn't large enough.

Bring on the fire sale.

I've said this for a while; in the event of a market wide, deflationary crash, silver may go sub 20$ an ounce. Bring it on. I'm 23 years old - I don't have enough for my retirement, therefore, bring on the crash...so that my WAGE increases in value (even if only temporarily).

The last deflationary crash saw silver go to about 8$ an ounce. To be honest, in another crash, anything over 12$ silver is highly bullish from a secular bull point of view.


I am desperately hoping that this pm sell off continues. Who wouldn't want to accumulate more metal on the cheap. For those who believe in this bull market, a massive sell off is a blessing. You would think more people would have respect for physically accumulating the metal, especially in light of recent events at mf global.
 
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Both YumYum and Jordan makes appearances on the same day? Two noted PM bears on RPF that only show up when metals take a temporary downswing. Should have been predictable I guess. Yawn.
 
lol, but i must say it is nice to see YumYum and Jordan in the same thread.

I don't have any particular fault with gold, just that I don't believe anyone can seriously value it. It supposedly has an intrinsic value of greater than $0, but that's about as far as anyone can really go to throw a pricetag on it.
 
I don't have any particular fault with gold, just that I don't believe anyone can seriously value it. It supposedly has an intrinsic value of greater than $0, but that's about as far as anyone can really go to throw a pricetag on it.

It's not so much that gold has intrinsic value in itself - it's that some people erroneously conclude that because a given value is based internally, on belief alone, without acknowledging other fundamentals, that it might as well be thin air; a box that Tommy Boy takes a dump in and marks "GUARANTEED", because he's got time. And then they run with it, seeing all the wonderful possibilities of a fantasy value substitution in exchange for what they incorrectly saw as an equivalent fantasy value. However, because value fundamentals, like natural scarcity, can be tested, once it is learned that the fantasy value is based on something cheaper than dirt, paper, or air, and just as widely available, the value * poof * ultimately vanishes. It is at that point, after real wealth is wiped out by an easily counterfeited fantasy holding vehicle, that everyone clings to something with sounder fundamentals - the number one being gold.

Gold's value is not just in its beauty or useful physical properties. It has intrinsic fundamentals that make it an ideal medium of exchange that minimizes the need for trust. It's value as an ideal vehicle (as perceived on an individual level - not some theoretical fantasy model) is highly explicable. And rational.
 
It's not so much that gold has intrinsic value in itself - it's that some people erroneously conclude that because a given value is based internally, on belief alone, without acknowledging other fundamentals, that it might as well be thin air; a box that Tommy Boy takes a dump in and marks "GUARANTEED", because he's got time. And then they run with it, seeing all the wonderful possibilities of a fantasy value substitution in exchange for what they incorrectly saw as an equivalent fantasy value. However, because value fundamentals, like natural scarcity, can be tested, once it is learned that the fantasy value is based on something cheaper than dirt, paper, or air, and just as widely available, the value * poof * ultimately vanishes. It is at that point, after real wealth is wiped out by an easily counterfeited fantasy holding vehicle, that everyone clings to something with sounder fundamentals - the number one being gold.

Gold's value is not just in its beauty or useful physical properties. It has intrinsic fundamentals that make it an ideal medium of exchange that minimizes the need for trust. It's value as an ideal vehicle (as perceived on an individual level - not some theoretical fantasy model) is highly explicable. And rational.

or more easily put... Gold has been money for 4000 years and that didn't change in the last 40.
 
To add to what the two just above me said;

Gold is one of the most utile metals around. It just happens to be so rare/in demand that other inferior metaas get used because they are so much more cost effective. From a purely utilitarian perspective, gold is extremely useful for industry.

I don't have any particular fault with gold, just that I don't believe anyone can seriously value it. It supposedly has an intrinsic value of greater than $0, but that's about as far as anyone can really go to throw a pricetag on it.
 
let's not argue,

what does confuse me is the fact that Jordan and Yumyum say they are Ron Paul supporters but they are bearish on metals relative to equities. This to me would come from a perspective that the economy is experiencing organic growth and that things are relatively fine. If they believe as such why aren't they on Obama 2012's team?

We need all the supporters we can get, but are they serious about RP? If so why own Equities over metals in this environment?
 
I've said this for a while; in the event of a market wide, deflationary crash, silver may go sub 20$ an ounce

This isn't out of the realm of possibility at all.

Fed FX line swaps have dried up.

Liquidity is ultra-tight.

The LIBOR-OIS spread reflects this.

Banks are rightfully very nervous at the moment.

As a result, they are liquidating winners.

Anyone who has a large silver position would be wise to buy some SLV put options or ZSL ultra-short silver to protect against a futher 30%+ decline.

Regarding Gold, technically speaking, it could go down to $1200.

And I say bring it on as well....I will "Buy! Buy! Buy!" like Jim Cramer says.
 
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