Gay marriage is NOT AN ISSUE!

[Icymudpuppy]

That's right. No-one is being killed, maimed, stolen from, indentured, or imprisoned by gay marriage.

Now, can we get back to important issues like how much theft the government engaged in against hardworking small business people this week to use in their murder sprees overseas?

 

[trey4sports]

the fact that people are denied potentially life-saving medical insurance based on the fact that they cannot get "married" is an issue....

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It is too an issue! It's smelly! It's red! Here it is! Chase it! Come on, boy, you know you want it!

You can't resist!

 

[Icymudpuppy]

the fact that people are denied potentially life-saving medical insurance based on the fact that they cannot get "married" is an issue....

This is not a marriage issue. It is an insurance access issue.

 

[trey4sports]

This is not a marriage issue. It is an insurance access issue.

potato, potatoe, man.

 

[angelatc]

the fact that people are denied potentially life-saving medical insurance based on the fact that they cannot get "married" is an issue....

Seriously? You are here lobbying for the government to mandate who the insurance companies choose to insure?

WTF?

Because there are lots of companies that offer benefits to domestic partnerships.

Seriously, I'm speechless.

 

[trey4sports]

Seriously? You are here lobbying for the government to mandate who the insurance companies choose to insure?

WTF?

Because there are lots of companies that offer benefits to domestic partnerships.

Seriously, I'm speechless.

no, i'm saying that gay marriage is an issue even though the OP is trying to claim it is not.

also, i've never heard of an insurance company offering domestic partnership benefits.

 

[JK/SEA]

Can we make this thread a sticky?

 

[Acala]

It's not an issue because the answer is a slam dunk - get government out of the business of marriage.

It's not an issue because it has nothing to do with the multiple problems that are going to crush this country very soon.

It's not an issue, it's a deliberate distraction.

 

[Nickels]

the fact that people are denied potentially life-saving medical insurance based on the fact that they cannot get "married" is an issue....

the fact people are allowed life saving procedures just because they are married as a privilege IS an issue.

 

[jmdrake]

no, i'm saying that gay marriage is an issue even though the OP is trying to claim it is not.

also, i've never heard of an insurance company offering domestic partnership benefits.

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=domestic+partner+health+benefits

Seriously. That was why right wingers boycotted Disney back in the 90s. (Mad over Disney offering domestic partner benefits long before any "state" recognized domestic partnerships). That was just as stupid as the left's "Chick-fil-a" boycott. The problem is that the federal tax system ties insurance to employment. It's the tax code that needs to change.

 

[jmdrake]

the fact people are allowed life saving procedures just because they are married as a privilege IS an issue.

1) Gay people can get health insurance. 2) People without insurance are not denied "life saving procedures". If you believe that they are then do you support Obamacare?

 

[brooks009]

We all agree that the government should be out of the business of MARRIAGE.

But where we don’t agree is what we should do in meantime(while trying to accomplish this goal). I think this is a question that should be answered for a lot of things and not just marriage.
Do we go for all or nothing ? Or do we get what we can in the meantime?

For example - We would like to see the wars ended and only started with a declaration of war by congress but if we could end just 1 war or one life even would that be a win?

 

[angelatc]

no, i'm saying that gay marriage is an issue even though the OP is trying to claim it is not.

also, i've never heard of an insurance company offering domestic partnership benefits.

No, what you said was that gay marriage is an issue because insurance companies have the right to refuse to cover domestic partners.

ALmost all entertainment companies offer domestic partnership benefits. Lots of universities do. Heck, the State Of Michigan used to, but they were eliminated when the Republicans started cutting spending.

But the free market isn't good enough for liberals. They are aiming for total control of the means of production.

 

[Bosco Warden]

 

[Ender]

We all agree that the government should be out of the business of MARRIAGE.

But where we don’t agree is what we should do in meantime(while trying to accomplish this goal). I think this is a question that should be answered for a lot of things and not just marriage.
Do we go for all or nothing ? Or do we get what we can in the meantime?

For example - We would like to see the wars ended and only started with a declaration of war by congress but if we could end just 1 war or one life even would that be a win?

Two different issues and both are worth fighting for- not one in place of the other.

Government does not belong in marriage- ANY MARRIGE. When you get a gov marriage license you have a partnership of three- you, your partner, and the government.

Getting the gov out of marriage is very important, as are all unconstitutional laws. THIS is what all parties should be fighting together for, not hating and fighting each other.

 

[jmdrake]

We all agree that the government should be out of the business of MARRIAGE.

But where we don’t agree is what we should do in meantime(while trying to accomplish this goal). I think this is a question that should be answered for a lot of things and not just marriage.
Do we go for all or nothing ? Or do we get what we can in the meantime?

For example - We would like to see the wars ended and only started with a declaration of war by congress but if we could end just 1 war or one life even would that be a win?

I'll play with your analogy. How about someone who says "Hey. Let's stop wars by making sure that only the U.N. can declare war." Really, that's the democratic position. John Kerry pushed for the "international test". Panetta said that Obama can go to war if and only if NATO says so. Does that do anything to end war? Or is it going in the wrong direction? Some folks here (including myself) honestly believe that federal gay marriage would push the country further in the wrong direction. If gays can win the battle in their own state ballot initiatives, more power to them.

However if this is about inheritance, making medical decisions, visiting sick loved ones in the hospital etc., that can be accomplished right now without any government involvement at all. If it's about taxes, well for many gays taxes will go up if the federal government recognizes their marriage. If it's about health insurance....well we need to be pushing to decouple insurance from employment anyway. Same for Social Security.

 

[Nickels]

1) Gay people can get health insurance.

Yes, they can. Just not as easily as those who can free ride on their spouse if they happen to not have the money for it.

2) People without insurance are not denied "life saving procedures". If you believe that they are then do you support Obamacare?

I think you mean, nobody is denied emergency procedures, but many operations and procedures are life saving and life changing, without being emergency and immediate life threatening. I don't support Obamacare.

 

[Nickels]

sorry, but in 40 years we'll be lucky if we maintain the quality of life today. sure, we'll still look stupid for arguing small issues, but it won't be because we've overcome and settle it.

 

[Acala]

We all agree that the government should be out of the business of MARRIAGE.

But where we don’t agree is what we should do in meantime(while trying to accomplish this goal). I think this is a question that should be answered for a lot of things and not just marriage.
Do we go for all or nothing ? Or do we get what we can in the meantime?

Government cannot solve this problem EXCEPT by getting out of the way. Anything else will only shift the problem around and increase government power by keeping the people divided. So there is NOTHING to do about it other than working to eliminate government involvement.