GAY MARRIAGE and the RON PAUL supporters ???

[Roxi]

Why can't I form a polygamous marriage and then demand that my employer provide health insurance to my entire harem as a matter of fairness? I mean, if everyone loves each other, that's the only thing that matters to make a marriage, right? Isn't that what the gay marriage activists claim?

thats way different.... gays who want to marry aren't asking to put a bunch of people on their insurance they want to include ONE person, their spouse, the person they live with who helps take care of them, and their household and their children..

but since you bring it up... how about all the millions of people, who go get married "legally" just to add their friend, roomate, or boyfriend to their insurance because that said person needs expensive surgery or medical treatment... Don't think it happens? i know several people who have done it.

 

[werdd]

Im against goverment recognizing any marriage, a personal contract between two people. If two people want to get together and have a gay marriage it's fine with me.

 

[zach]

Why can't I form a polygamous marriage and then demand that my employer provide health insurance to my entire harem as a matter of fairness? I mean, if everyone loves each other, that's the only thing that matters to make a marriage, right? Isn't that what the gay marriage activists claim?

Don't you realize that there are some folks of the non-straight orientation that actually have one partner that is willing to stay with them?

The gay marriage advocates claim that two people, regardless of orientation, should be able to be married depending on what church would give the ceremony without the need for state intervention.

And no, marrying someone of the same sex is not like marrying a dog, and it is not like keeping whores under your coat.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

Ok. We pretty much agree that government should be out of marriage. So..rather than waste energy on opposing or supporting gay marriage, we should just start working towards the goal of getting government OUT of marriage.

It is not the religious people pushing this issue...it is the gays. Period. Religous people are on the defensive...as usual. It's just another attack on our traditions in the USA. I guess most of you hate our traditions and you are often as bad as the socialists in this regard. Gay marriage or polygamy, or sodomy or buggerin is NOT an American tradition and was ILLEGAL punishable by CASTRATION in colonial days. TONES

 

[zach]

Ok. We pretty much agree that government should be out of marriage. So..rather than waste energy on opposing or supporting gay marriage, we should just start working towards the goal of getting government OUT of marriage.

It is not the religious people pushing this issue...it is the gays. Period. Religous people are on the defensive...as usual. It's just another attack on our traditions in the USA. I guess most of you hate our traditions and you are often as bad as the socialists in this regard. Gay marriage or polygamy, or sodomy or buggerin is NOT an American tradition and was ILLEGAL punishable by CASTRATION in colonial days. TONES

Both groups of people are pushing the issue under their own defenses.
So let's start working towards the goal of getting government out of marriage like you said.

And no, just because one may advocate gay marriage does not mean that they hate the "straight" traditions.
It's not black or white.

 

[Pennsylvania]

I can only hope that one day this intense dislike of homosexuals is eradicated completely. How many Oscar Wildes, Tchaikovskys, Freddie Mercurys, and Alan Turings is it going to take before you begin to see them as equals? Does every generation simply need a witch to burn?

 

[zach]

I can only hope that one day this intense dislike of homosexuals is eradicated completely. How many Oscar Wildes, Tchaikovskys, Freddie Mercurys, and Alan Turings is it going to take before you begin to see them as equals? Does every generation simply seek out a witch to burn?

We always blame others first.

 

[tonesforjonesbones]

I never said I disliked gay people. NOpe. I quite like them and have friends who are gay. I have no issue with their personal choices...I do not believe gay marriage is healthy for society. I don't consider fornication, promiscuousness, drunkenness, etc etc health;y for a society. I realize this stuff exists...but it should be kept on the downlow...by the folks. Personal responsibility. there is a time and place for everything...keep personal issues..well, personal. Tones

 

[Icymudpuppy]

Here's a thought. If marriage is defined as a religious ceremony, and a civil union is simply a partnership of individuals for joint recognition by government for economic advantage, what is the difference between a civil union and a business partnership or corporation? If my father wills his property to be divided equally between my sister and I, but we want to keep it a whole entity, with equal say as to its use, we could accomplish it by forming a partnership or LLC in which we are equal owners. Why couldn't we also form a civil union and accomplish the same thing.

Is there some assumption that if my adult sister, my adult brother, and myself are all living together in the same house and sharing our joint heritage equally under civil union that we are somehow engaging in some kind of incestual bisexual threesome, but if we form a 3 owner LLC or non-profit we are not? Even if we were, is that the government's concern?

In reality, the three of us are all in heterosexual marriages. My brother under the Lutheran church, myself under a non-denominational minister, and my sister in a civil union.

Growing up, the farm closest to ours was owned by two old men in their 70's who had never married. They had a partnership business which was registered with the State as agricultural property management. My Dad leased some of their land for hay, grain, and legume production. Were they gay? Is that why the never married, and to my knowledge never even had girlfriends? Possibly. Does it matter as far as the state is concerned? NO! Did anyone in our small community care or ask them about it? Not to my knowledge.

What consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes is between them and god, unless it deprives someone else of life, liberty, or property.

I feel the same way about polygamy as I do about homosexuality. To each his own, it's none of my business, and there are churches which recognize both as spiritual relationships.

 

[klamath]

Like normal the most common belief the people in this movement have about the gay marriage issue wasn't even an option in this Poll. "Government get the hell out of marriage!" Sure shows an agenda.
This has been hammered over and over and over and over and the majority here believe get the government out of marriage. This is obviously a push poll to get the results the OP wants. I didn't even vote.

 

[paulitics]

Let the churches decide, not the government. Wow, that was easy. And if they are married by a church, than they should receive the same legal rights and tax treatment as a married couple.

 

[Todd]

If it was returned to a "church" issue rather than a "state/Gov" issue, then it's a non issue. End of story.

 

[cska80]

I don't believe in God and I'm still against it.

 

[Anwar_S]

Damn right I'm for it. Those people against it remind me of this:
http://lovettus106.pbwiki.com/f/little-rock-nine.JPG

 

[FindLiberty]

Voted 100% for it... (and that does not mean I'm for doing "it")

Unfortunately, the poll misses a "popular" Libertarian choice that would simply focus on keeping the state 100% out of it, PERIOD!

These matters should be strictly between consenting adults!

It's none of my business ...except for any "marriage perks" awarded by the state that end up coming out of my butt via taxes (or inflation)!

 

[speciallyblend]

Damn right I'm for it. Those people against it remind me of this:
http://lovettus106.pbwiki.com/f/little-rock-nine.JPG

well if the GOP wants to alienate themselves, all they have to do is run with gay marriage.

anyone against gay marriage has a right to be ,but NO RIGHT to Legislate against gay marriage. the fact is the church is bitching about allowing states to marry gays. It is none of the Church's business really. no one is forcing churches to marry gays.

so really the Church's have no say when gays want a legal marriage by the states and for legal reasons is why you have state marriages(tax)_. if a church doesn't want to marry gays that is up to them.

for those saying states shouldn't be in it at all. i totally agree. but this is not what the Church's and the old guard GOP are saying. they are using their beliefs to try to legislate gay marriage, a big no no for Liberty.

The religious right wants their cake and eat it to. they really want liberty for themselves and no one else,especially gay folks who are entitled by the state to have the same legal rights as me and my wife. the Church's do not have a copyright on the word marriage, if so i would love to so the copyright documents!!

you cannot say you stand for liberty and the us constitution ,yet legislate against gay marriage.

not one church is forced to marry gays, so really that is the end of story! even if the state stays in the game or out of it. i say if churches really want to legislate gay marriage by the state, then lets tax those very churches,since they want to infringe on other peoples libertys!!

 

[speciallyblend]

Voted 100% for it... (and that does not mean I'm for doing "it")

Unfortunately, the poll misses a "popular" Libertarian choice that would simply focus on keeping the state 100% out of it, PERIOD!

These matters should be strictly between consenting adults!

It's none of my business ...except for any "marriage perks" awarded by the state that end up coming out of my butt via taxes (or inflation)!

can someone tell me how to edit the poll questions, sorry i could add about 2 more options if i could edit. i was very tired last night!

for anyone that knows,
GOOD NEWS, my wifes back surgery went well, had a few complications on day 3 etc. surgery was last monday and i have stayed with her since. She is being released today and i will take her to my work to rest at hotel she is in alot of pain though. she had 14 vertebrae fused. She will have 3-6 months recovery and rehab. One day soon we will be snowboarding down the mtns again

 

[speciallyblend]

If it was returned to a "church" issue rather than a "state/Gov" issue, then it's a non issue. End of story.

i agree but at the sametime if the church minded its own business and stopped trying to legislate against gay marriage etc etc whatever you want to call it. the fact is churches do not have a copyright on the word. they should mind their own business in their own church

can someone show me a case where a church was forced to marry gays???

only reason marriage is a state issue anyway is because both parties agree to be taxed by agreeing to marry by the state.

last time i looked no one needs to marry by church or state, only if they choose to!!

 

[TonySutton]

The GOP will never recruit large numbers of youth into their fold with an anti gay marriage plank.

This I will guarantee.

 

[speciallyblend]

The GOP will never recruit large numbers of youth into their fold with an anti gay marriage plank.

This I will guarantee.

exactly, my vote assures it and im 41 if that is young I support gay marriage. who are we to judge!

if anyone thinks being gay is a choice. then i will tell you . you're bisexual and you choose to be straight!