Gates Foundation makes poop a priority, puts toilet innovation front and center

[jonhowe]

Did I use the word genocide?
NO,, I DID NOT (Nice try though)

I never said you did.

 

[pcosmar]

Not to say I agree with gates on everything, but to paint him as bent on genocide is 100% off.

Your words, not mine.
Bill Gates is a eugenics advocate.

 

[jonhowe]

Your words, not mine.
Bill Gates is a eugenics advocate.

You were the one arguing semantics: I never said that you SAID "genocide".


Also, I've found no statement by Bill Gates suggesting he supports eugenics. Nothing in the article you provided suggests he or his wife do. They support intelligent use of birth control to avoid dangerous overpopulation. However, as she is seemingly liberal leaning, she thinks government should make it accessible to people. That's not much of a stretch when considering many governments run healthcare, and contraception falls under healthcare. Did you even read that before you posted it?

 

[pcosmar]

You were the one arguing semantics: I never said that you SAID "genocide".


Also, I've found no statement by Bill Gates suggesting he supports eugenics. Nothing in the article you provided suggests he or his wife do. They support intelligent use of birth control to avoid dangerous overpopulation. However, as she is seemingly liberal leaning, she thinks government should make it accessible to people. That's not much of a stretch when considering many governments run healthcare, and contraception falls under healthcare. Did you even read that before you posted it?

[Reconsidered-Self Moderated]

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Actually,, that is more due to cities and settlements pumping raw sewage into the water supply..
And in those areas of the world ,, to dead bodies and mass graves.
Sewage in the ground does not have that problem.

Perhaps they can just build decent sewage treatment if they wish,,
Gates has actually been focused in other directions.. like population control.
so color me skeptical.

Very interesting. So you advocate the old outhouse formula? What do you think are some of the advantages and disadvantages of it?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

You were the one arguing semantics: I never said that you SAID "genocide".


Also, I've found no statement by Bill Gates suggesting he supports eugenics. Nothing in the article you provided suggests he or his wife do. They support intelligent use of birth control to avoid dangerous overpopulation. However, as she is seemingly liberal leaning, she thinks government should make it accessible to people. That's not much of a stretch when considering many governments run healthcare, and contraception falls under healthcare. Did you even read that before you posted it?

It seems like you're the one arguing semantics. If your main purpose is to say he is talking about genocide without saying it, that seems like you're avoiding it through semantics. If your main purpose is to say you don't accuse him of relating Bill Gates to genocide in any way, then who is "painting him as bent on genocide" according to your own words? Again, it seems like you are using semantics to me.

 

[pcosmar]

Very interesting. So you advocate the old outhouse formula? What do you think are some of the advantages and disadvantages of it?

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Not sure I'm "advocating" anything. Outhouses work fine,, have for years. I have one, but also have indoor plumbing.
Septic systems work fine in small communities or rural settings.
In a densely populated area,,a sewage treatment system works better. Though the problem is just pumping raw waste into rivers or lakes, and that is done even in "civilized" and wealthy countries.
There is no excuse for it, but it is done. And that is where the problems come.

 

[soulcyon]

That's shitty.

In this case, its a good thing right?

 

[PursuePeace]

edited... too offtopic. I need to stop thinking out loud.

 

[soulcyon]

Yeah right. By that logic no one would drive stick-shift cars.

Of course, many of the modern-day car lovers would hate this idea. But I foresee a market push towards driverless cars - e.g, proven technology would perform better than human driving and result in cheaper insurance for driverless cars.

 

[pcosmar]

Of course, many of the modern-day car lovers would hate this idea. But I foresee a market push towards driverless cars - e.g, proven technology would perform better than human driving and result in cheaper insurance for driverless cars.

I see that as a sales pitch,, regardless of any factual basis.

But then the sales pitch for Mandatory Insurance was lower rates..and that Never Happened.


btw,,nice derail

 

[donnay]

You were the one arguing semantics: I never said that you SAID "genocide".


Also, I've found no statement by Bill Gates suggesting he supports eugenics. Nothing in the article you provided suggests he or his wife do. They support intelligent use of birth control to avoid dangerous overpopulation. However, as she is seemingly liberal leaning, she thinks government should make it accessible to people. That's not much of a stretch when considering many governments run healthcare, and contraception falls under healthcare. Did you even read that before you posted it?

Bill Gates father was the head of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is a trojan horse for eugenicists. Margaret Sanger pushed eugenics.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Bill Gates father was the head of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is a trojan horse for eugenicists. Margaret Sanger pushed eugenics.

I haven't seen those videos. If I had known he buys into the global warming thing and actively pushes that agenda, that would have made me more suspicious in and of itself. He says we need to get CO2 production down to "zero."

Besides the fact that that is literally impossible, he seems to ignore the fact that we produce very little CO2 compared to other sources, not to mention that CO2 makes up very little of the atmosphere. How in the hell does he expect to get human CO2 production down to zero?

 

[PaulConventionWV]

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Not sure I'm "advocating" anything. Outhouses work fine,, have for years. I have one, but also have indoor plumbing.
Septic systems work fine in small communities or rural settings.
In a densely populated area,,a sewage treatment system works better. Though the problem is just pumping raw waste into rivers or lakes, and that is done even in "civilized" and wealthy countries.
There is no excuse for it, but it is done. And that is where the problems come.

Ah, sorry. Didn't mean to put words in your mouth.

 

[jonhowe]

Bill Gates father was the head of Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is a trojan horse for eugenicists. Margaret Sanger pushed eugenics.

Again, nothing about eugenics. Allowing access to birth control is not eugenics. It is a good thing to do and leads to healthier, more successful people. It should not be FORCED on people, but allowing access to it to those who wouldn't normally have it is GOOD.

People: The planet cannot support an unlimited number of human being, just like human being cannot burn an unlimited amount of fossil fuels. These are just basic truths.

Also, Alex Jones COMPLETELY misread that quote about Gates' parents. Gates said his parents were their OWN "death panels", meaning THEY got to decide when they died. Also, the clip of him talking was about reducing costs and putting things in the hands of patients, rather than encouraging doctors to do every last thing and drip out every last dollar whether the patient wants it or not.

 

[ZenBowman]

Again, nothing about eugenics. Allowing access to birth control is not eugenics. It is a good thing to do and leads to healthier, more successful people. It should not be FORCED on people, but allowing access to it to those who wouldn't normally have it is GOOD.

People: The planet cannot support an unlimited number of human being, just like human being cannot burn an unlimited amount of fossil fuels. These are just basic truths.

Exactly, one would think that people who understand the unsustainability of increasing the money supply would understand the unsustainability of permanent population growth as well.

If you don't believe overpopulation exists, you'd have no problem whatsoever with totally open immigration.

Also, Alex Jones COMPLETELY misread that quote about Gates' parents. Gates said his parents were their OWN "death panels", meaning THEY got to decide when they died. Also, the clip of him talking was about reducing costs and putting things in the hands of patients, rather than encouraging doctors to do every last thing and drip out every last dollar whether the patient wants it or not.

Alex Jones is a fascist, not a libertarian, so for him lying and misrepresenting the truth is standard, just like any other politician.

There was a great line by a hospice nurse on an NPR interview yesterday
http://www.npr.org/2012/08/16/158936470/fact-checking-the-future-of-aging-in-america

To set the context, they are talking about the future of baby boomers and how hard they will struggle to survive as medical technology allows them to live longer even when they can no longer take care of themselves.

DONVAN: Let's bring in Sheila(ph) from Pittsburgh. Hi, Sheila, you're on TALK OF THE NATION.

SHEILA: Hi. I have a similar perspective to the doctor who was just speaking. I am 56 years old, so I am a baby boomer, but I have also practiced as a hospice nurse for some time. And more and more I see people who are attempting to get hospice care not because of a single terminal condition but because of general debility. They have a myriad of serious problems caused by things like diabetes and cardiovascular disease that leaves them with dementia, inability to ambulate and take care of themselves.

And Medicare pays for, you know, treatments for these different things, but there really is no good plan to take care...

DONVAN: Do you - can I interrupt you to ask you, do you have a plan yourself, Sheila?

SHEILA: Well, actually, being a hospice nurse, my perspective is very different from the general public, and I see nothing wrong with dying, and when the time comes, I'm going to allow myself to succumb to the first serious illness that I have.

(LAUGHTER)

SHEILA: I've lived a good life.

That's a pretty damn good attitude to have, and I hope that's how I think as I approach death. Live your life well for as long as you can, and when its time to go, go peacefully.

 

[ZenBowman]

Actually, this really works. We have a thread around here called "poopin' 2.0" about this very subject.

Squatty potty is okay, but I prefer Nature's platform.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=136590191&page=1

 

[donnay]

Again, nothing about eugenics. Allowing access to birth control is not eugenics. It is a good thing to do and leads to healthier, more successful people. It should not be FORCED on people, but allowing access to it to those who wouldn't normally have it is GOOD.

People: The planet cannot support an unlimited number of human being, just like human being cannot burn an unlimited amount of fossil fuels. These are just basic truths.

Also, Alex Jones COMPLETELY misread that quote about Gates' parents. Gates said his parents were their OWN "death panels", meaning THEY got to decide when they died. Also, the clip of him talking was about reducing costs and putting things in the hands of patients, rather than encouraging doctors to do every last thing and drip out every last dollar whether the patient wants it or not.

How about Bill Gate funding geo-engineering projects?


US geoengineers funded by Bill Gates to spray sun-reflecting chemicals into atmosphere to artificially cool the planet


I have a REAL problem with people who think they have a right to pose their ideals on others and force medicating people.

As far as the over population propaganda you know we are over populated how?

 

[pcosmar]

As far as the over population propaganda you know we are over populated how?

Because the *Social Engineers and *Social Planners told them so.

*socialists

 

[donnay]

Because the *Social Engineers and *Social Planners told them so.

*socialists

Absolutely. We're told there are 7 billion people on the planet--of course it is only a guesstimate. Our country, alone, is indiscriminately killing people daily.