Gary Supports a Smoking Ban in Private Restaurants

[donnay]

More candidates like Johnson wouldn't be the end of the world. He is a least honest, decent and means well. So what if he doesn't pass some people's silly purity tests. More candidates like Clinton and Trump are the end of the world.

Good song!

 

[69360]

If it weren't for my "silly purity tests" I might as well be voting for Trump or Clinton.

It gets taken to extremes here way too often. There are several posters who reply in every single threat ranting on because a basically decent candidate doesn't support their pet issue.

 

[69360]

Pro-Liberty Positions:

• end the fed, return to gold standard
• balance the budget through spending cuts
• replace all existing taxes with single FairTax
• abolish Dept. of Education
• opposes all business subsidies
• opposed TARP
• opposed auto company bailouts
• opposes Keynesian stimulus spending
• opposed Obamacare
• opposed the Medicare Part D expansion under Bush
• favors cutting social security, medicare, and medicaid
• opposes labor unions
• wants to eliminate the minimum wage
• opposes immigration restrictions/deportation
• favors tree trade, opposes tariffs
• opposes governmental regulation of internet
• opposes PATRIOT Act and NSA spying
• opposed Iraq and Libya Wars
• opposes involvement in Syria Civil War
• opposes involvement in Ukraine Civil War
• favors immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan
• favors cuts in defense spending
• supports 2nd Amendment
• opposes War on Drugs
• favors legalization of assisted suicide

Anti-Liberty Positions

• favors extension of the Civil Rights Act to gays
• favors smoking ban in private venues

Close enough

I'll take a bit of SJW over neocon warmonger any day if given the choice.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I gave him an A- in my evaluation, might have to drop it down to a B+.

I gave him an F because he contended that he'd send men from the government with guns to force Individuals and groups of Individuals to relinquish their right to property.

As you may know, the right to property is an indispensable and principal material support, not only of Man's God-given unalienable rights, but of Man's right to Life and Liberty itself.

His contention that he rejects the indispensable and principal material support for the right to Life and Liberty itself is a patent contention that he rejects the concept of the right to Life and Liberty fully.

Also he wanted a basic universal income funded by involuntary carbon taxes and he contended that he'd consider transferring power from The People to a King.

He said these things under the banner of Liberty, no less.

So basically, screw Gary Johnson and the stalking horse he rode in on is my view.

 

[donnay]

I gave him an F because he contended that he'd send men from the government with guns to force Individuals and groups of Individuals to relinquish their right to property.

As you may know, the right to property is an indispensable and principal material support, not only of Man's God-given unalienable rights, but of Man's right to Life and Liberty itself.

His contention that he rejects the indispensable and principal material support for the right to Life and Liberty itself is a patent contention that he rejects the concept of the right to Life and Liberty fully.

Also he wanted a basic universal income funded by involuntary carbon taxes and he contended that he'd consider transferring power from The People to a King.

He said these things under the banner of Liberty, no less.

So basically, screw Gary Johnson and the stalking horse he rode in on is my view.

He is also for TPP which is just more managed trade and more globalists controls.

Pffffft.

 

[osan]

The more I learn about Gary Johnson, the more certain I am that he is dangerously brain-damaged.

Dangerous to us, that is.

 

[Natural Citizen]

He is also for TPP which is just more managed trade and more globalists controls.

Pffffft.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I mentioned that he contended that he'd consider signing an illegal transfer of power from the People to a King. That's patently what the TPP does.

The statesman, with whom I agree, makes it crystal clear and in short, concise order...

 

[osan]

I can't be unbiased here. I despise smoking.

I think this is a local and state issue, not a national one.

Methinks not.

It isn't a governmental issue at all, whether national or local. It's an individual issue.

 

[donnay]

Yeah, that's what I meant when I mentioned that he contended that he'd consider signing an illegal transfer of power from the People to a King. That's patently what the TPP does.

The statesman, with whom I agree, makes it crystal clear and in short, concise order...

I am all out of rep. I owe you a couple. Spot on, NC!

 

[Natural Citizen]

Methinks not.

It isn't a governmental issue at all, whether national or local. It's an individual issue.

Yep.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I am all out of rep. I owe you a couple. Spot on, NC!

It's all good. As long as we keep putting the truth out there. That's all that matters.

It's a given that the truth won't be welcomed by deceivers. Is what it is. Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Right?

 

[osan]

If you recall, my market based solution was private ownership of the air. Thus business owners can be held responsible for shitty air quality imposing harm on their patrons and employees. I'm not here to rehash that debate.

Not so fast. Holding a business owner responsible for KNOWN risks is not even remotely valid. If a bar owner allows smoking in his establishment, you enter that space at your own risk. If you feel second-hand smoke might give you cancer, then do not go in. This is pretty simple stuff, unless the individual in question is afflicted with entitleitis, wherein he psychotically comes to believe that he is entitled to enter upon that premise under circumstances of his fiat. It is a degenerative disease that turns a man's mind and soul into a foul smelling goo.

The circumstance where your claim is possibly valid would be one where the patrons are knowingly kept ignorant of some danger to themselves.

The two general scenarios are fundamentally different

 

[osan]

And therein lies the major malfunction. He's not going to be president. What he's accomplishing is stimulating the wrong message of Liberty.

These are not pet issues. These are fundamentals. The arguments I'm reading are contrary to and aggressive toward the fundamental supporting principles of the right to Life and Individual Liberty itself.

Normally I wouldn't care. But his message is aggressive toward the fundamental principles of Individual Liberty from under the banner of Liberty. And that's what makes his rhetoric dangerous. Elections? Please. That's at the bottom of the totem pole at this point.

I mean, here's guy who said that it was his contention that it was acceptable to send men from the government with guns to force Individuals and groups of Individuals to relinquish their principal means of securing their right to Life and Liberty fully. He's a guy that said that he'd consider signing off on an official illegal transfer of power from The People to a King.

And you're going to sit here and tell us, oh, well, do it for a third party? I've got news for you, the establishment party has basically expanded by way of the Libertarian Party this cycle. And it was absolutely predictable that they would given the major Third Party and Independent turnout during the 2014 Mid-Term. There's no way they didn't see it and there was no way they weren't going to react. And here we are. We're promoting a candidate who openly professes the positions I've mentioned above...and in Liberty, no less.

It's no accident that all of these establishment politicians are flocking to the Libertarian Party. No accident at all.

Best case you could make would be vote for the L Party just to maintain ballot access but I can't and won't do it based on principle alone. I'll go with Castle on principle.

This was excellent. I could not have said it better.

 

[osan]

I'll take a bit of SJW over neocon warmonger any day if given the choice.

That's like choosing to take a 12" schlong up the chute or a 13. Your backside isn't going to know the difference.

 

[osan]

So basically, screw Gary Johnson and the stalking horse he rode in on is my view.

Learn to spell "dildo" properly.

Damned kids...

 

[Natural Citizen]

This was excellent. I could not have said it better.

After November we're going to have to get this boat back in the right direction. And we're going to have to go nuts and bolts. Some feelings are going to have to get hurt. Is what it is.

 

[osan]

After November we're going to have to get this boat back in the right direction. And we're going to have to go nuts and bolts. Some feelings are going to have to get hurt. Is what it is.

Perhaps a clean sheet is needed, starting from the ground up, i.e., fundamental principles first and build on that?

Whatever happened with Bryan's framework dealio?

 

[donnay]

It's all good. As long as we keep putting the truth out there. That's all that matters.

It's a given that the truth won't be welcomed by deceivers. Is what it is. Truth is treason in the empire of lies. Right?

Absolutely!

 

[69360]

That's like choosing to take a 12" schlong up the chute or a 13. Your backside isn't going to know the difference.

Nah, the sjws at least mean well even though they are misguided. They aren't running for personal gain like the neocons are.

 

[69360]

Perhaps a clean sheet is needed, starting from the ground up, i.e., fundamental principles first and build on that?

Whatever happened with Bryan's framework dealio?

The LP is probably going to get the most votes ever and you want start over?