Gary Johnson Wants Driverless Secret Service Cars and a US-Led Gene Editing Revolution

[r3volution 3.0]

.... it is... MY franchise, no matter how desperately you and rev3 desire to dictate to me what I can and can not do with it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Oh gosh. We're back to memes now, rev? Heh.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I am glad that you popped off tonight, though, Gunny. These Johnson guys are getting waaaay too comfortable.

 

[SewrRatt]

Could it be that "collective bargaining" does not mean the right of workers to voluntarily organize and ask the employer to negotiate?

Could it instead refer to the whole series of coercive practices (against both workers and employers) laid out in federal labor law?

I think letting the AFL-CIO or the federal union laws decide what exactly the phrase "collective bargaining" means is just about as good an idea as letting Gary Johnson and Bill Weld decide what "libertarian" means.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I think letting the AFL-CIO or the federal union laws decide what exactly the phrase "collective bargaining" means is just about as good an idea as letting Gary Johnson and Bill Weld decide what "libertarian" means.

We aren't debating what the phrase should mean: e.g. how it should be interpreted in a court of law.

We're debating what it means in common usage.

...in order to determine which is the most reasonable interpretation of Castle's statement, since he didn't explain what he meant.

The cited examples show that collective bargaining commonly refers to the practices of coercive labor unions.

...not voluntary labor unions as Castle enthusiasts would have you believe.

 

[SewrRatt]

We aren't debating what the phrase should mean: e.g. how it should be interpreted in a court of law.

We're debating what it means in common usage.

...in order to determine which is the most reasonable interpretation of Castle's statement, since he didn't explain what he meant.

The cited examples show that collective bargaining commonly refers to the practices of coercive labor unions.

...not voluntary labor unions as Castle enthusiasts would have you believe.

Ron Paul specifically used the phrase "collective bargaining" too. It's reasonable to assume that a person using that phrase means what the words themselves are defined as, not that they're referring to a bunch of legislative shit the government has tacked onto the phrase. Unless they specifically say they mean all that legislative shit.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Ron Paul specifically used the phrase "collective bargaining" too. It's reasonable to assume that a person using that phrase means what the words themselves are defined as, not that they're referring to a bunch of legislative shit the government has tacked onto the phrase. Unless they specifically say they mean all that legislative shit.

Uh yea, as I just said, that's exactly what we're debating: what the common definition of the term is.

 

[SewrRatt]

Uh yea, as I just said, that's exactly what we're debating: what the common definition of the term is.

collective
[kuh-lek-tiv]
adjective
1.
formed by collection.
2.
forming a whole; combined:
the collective assets of a corporation and its subsidiaries.
3.
of or characteristic of a group of individuals taken together:
the collective wishes of the membership.
4.
organized according to the principles of collectivism:
a collective farm.

bargain
[bahr-guh n]
verb (used without object)
6.
to discuss the terms of a bargain; haggle; negotiate.
7.
to come to an agreement; make a bargain:
We bargained on a three-year term.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Well, yes. That's pretty much "liberty" in a nutshell is it not?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Beware we got our pilotless black helicopters hovering over your franchise, if you don't submit now we are going to drag your franchise off to a Johnson rally. Hahahahaha Do as we command or else

I think you must have let your tinfoil hat slip off and are maybe receiving the MKUltra signal again? You are talking gibberish.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Uh yea, as I just said, that's exactly what we're debating: what the common definition of the term is.

On what planet does "collective bargaining" necessarily and auto-magically imply "the use of government force and/or taxpayer money?"

 

[dannno]

Well, yes. That's pretty much "liberty" in a nutshell is it not?

 

[William Tell]

There's nothing dishonest in what I'm saying about Castle, it is the only rational interpretation of what he said.

Well, I guess there are a lot of us irrational people in this thread. Since the definition of rational now means agreeing with you.

 

[William Tell]

Ron Paul specifically used the phrase "collective bargaining" too. It's reasonable to assume that a person using that phrase means what the words themselves are defined as, not that they're referring to a bunch of legislative $#@! the government has tacked onto the phrase. Unless they specifically say they mean all that legislative $#@!.

Exactly.

 

[AuH20]

Is Gary hanging out with Ray Kurzweil?

 

[euphemia]

Nobody would be talking to Gary Johnson if he wasn't running for president, so if he is being interviewed, it is in the context of a presidential campaign. If Johnson wants a liberty message out there, he needs to start putting it out there. He is going off to these rabbit trails, and I have completely written him off.

 

[Suzanimal]

He says he would “sign legislation promoting research and development” of cures for all diseases.

Additionally, the economic ramifications of Johnson’s perspective are huge. Many new billion dollar companies likely will be created around gene editing tech. Like the other great technology of the last 30 years—the internet—we want those companies to be US companies.

Is he thinking that the taxpayers should fund this?


If that's the case, he's not even fiscally responsible.

 

[euphemia]

Indeed. So basically we have the Obama redux where all the money goes out to friends-and-relations to build these huge companies that have nothing to show for the investment.

 

[undergroundrr]

Great OP. Thanks. War is my "single issue" and Gary Johnson is speaking more loudly and forcefully about ending wars than anyone else. But one of my pet issues is the complete separation of science and state. If the fed gov hadn't nationalized technological progress through the FDA, NSF, NASA, etc. we'd all be living to 300 years and driving our own personal Millennium Falcons. Instead, our great achievement is neat phones that play Pokemon Go.

I LOVE the way Gary Johnson is talking here. It's eye-rollingly absurd how many people are trying to pick some ultra-statist content from any of it. Some of the same people are saying we should have an IQ test for immigrants. It'd be hilarious if the immigrants were the ones with technologically enhanced intelligence. In the meantime, the human potential of Americans is stunted by the state's control over science and education.

Don't want to be a cyborg? Get your hands off that computer keyboard and throw away your smartphone. You already are one.

 

[euphemia]

Um, then if war is your single issue, then Johnson is not your man. Darrell Castle is. Johnson is a statist. Just because he is talking about different issues and state involvement, he is still a statist, and probably a worse one than even Hillary Clinton.