Gary Johnson Gary Johnson should've ran for Senate vs. President (POLL)

[Wren]

As of this time, 93% say Johnson should not have run on the LP ticket after losing the GOP nomination. Something tells me that at least 93% of this same group would be supportive if it was Ron Paul who decided to run for the LP presidency after losing the GOP nomination.

Maybe it's because Ron Paul is a thousand times better than Johnson is.

 

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Maybe it's because Ron Paul is a thousand times better than Johnson is.

George Washington would be a thousand times better than Ron Paul, but George Washington is DEAD. (Any argument that Ron Paul is intellectually or morally or whatever-ly superior to George Washington PALES before George Washington's superior LEADERSHIP.)

Ron Paul COULD HAVE snagged the Libertarian Party nomination WITH EASE, and gone ALL IN on a last-ditch direct challenge to Republican chicanery. For various reasons, he clung to the Republican Party that has long mistreated Ron Paul AND Ron Paul Supporters. If Ron Paul does not secure the GOP nomination, Ron Paul is DEAD IN THE WATER for the 2012 presidential "race".

Gary Johnson is MUCH better than Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, except for Entrenched Elite.

Of course, that is why the Rand Kamp loathes him. Republican Loyalist "Liberty Lovers" who have grown ambitious about 2016 don't WANT Obama held to one term. If someone ELSE unseats Obama/Biden, they will have the advantage that "naturally" accrues to Incumbents.

 

[Wren]

George Washington would be a thousand times better than Ron Paul, but George Washington is DEAD. (Any argument positing that Ron Paul as intellectually or morally or whatever-ly superior to George Washington PALES before George Washington's superior LEADERSHIP.)

Ron Paul COULD HAVE snagged the Libertarian Party nomination WITH EASE, and gone ALL IN on a last-ditch direct challenge to Republican chicanery. For various reasons, he clung to the Republican Party that has long mistreated Ron Paul AND Ron Paul Supporters. If Ron Paul does not secure the GOP nomination, Ron Paul is DEAD IN THE WATER for the 2012 presidential "race".

Gary Johnson is MUCH better than Barack Obama or Mitt Romney, except for Entrenched Elite.

Of course, that is why the Rand Kamp loathes him. Republican Loyalist "Liberty Lovers" who have grown ambitious about 2016 don't WANT Obama held to one term. If someone ELSE unseats Obama/Biden, they will have the advantage that "naturally" accrues to Incumbents.

You are obsessed with Johnson to the point where it's unhealthy. You aren't going convince me he doesn't suck.

 

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You are obsessed with Johnson to the point where it's unhealthy.

You are ill-informed or dishonest.

You aren't going convince me he doesn't suck.

Okey dokey...got you down as NO WAY.

The Board boasts a membership of over 40,000. Are you suggesting that, once YOUR mind is made up, the matter is SETTLED?

 

[Wren]

You are ill-informed or dishonest.

It's an obsession when your only purpose on a RON PAUL forum is promote, defend, and do damage control for another candidate.

Okey dokey...got you down as NO WAY.

The Board boasts a membership of over 40,000. Are you suggesting that, once YOUR mind is made up, the matter is SETTLED?

So you admit you're only posting here as a crusader for Johnson. Yes, I already know where he stands, therefore my mind is made up. I don't need you to sprinkle artificial libertarian bullcrap on the issues where he's made himself clear like Israel, gitmo, his 'humanitarian' wars or his lack of understanding of Austrian econonimcs. I'm a Ron Paul supporter because I know how to research a candidate.

 

[pcgame]

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[cheapseats]

It's an obsession when your only purpose on a RON PAUL forum is promote, defend, and do damage control for another candidate.

Ah, but that is NOT my "only purpose". I "only" learned of Gary Johnson HERE, which was called LIBERTY FOREST when I joined.

Like I said, you are ill-informed or dishonest.

So you admit you're only posting here as a crusader for Johnson.

Incorrect, again.

Yes, I already know where he stands, therefore my mind is made up.

Like I said, I already put you down as NO WAY. I will even magnify it: NO FUCKIN' WAY.

There is STILL an election at hand.

I don't need you to ...

...say anything about anything unless it CONFORMS to your notions of accuracy, relevance, importance...ACCEPTABILITY.

Got it, wide-screen.

I'm a Ron Paul supporter because I know how to research a candidate.

Alas, the candidate that has passed muster under your penetrating gaze does not know how (or does not want) to win the presidency.

SOMEONE will be elected in November.

 

[MrWalker]

And that SOMEONE will not be Gary...

 

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Ron Paul is a million times better then George washington

Oh, brother.

QUESTION: If Ron "MILLION TIMES BETTER THAN GEORGE WASHINGTON" Paul is not on the ballot in November, who do you think is the woefully second-best choice (for those who insist on voting in a rigged system, but who do not piss away votes on write-ins): Barack Obama, Mitt Romney or Gary Johnson?

 

[pcgame]

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[cheapseats]

I'm writing in Ron Paul.

Duly noted.

Published statistics say the membership on this board that was called LIBERTY FOREST before it took a fork in the road to become RON PAUL FORUMS is over 40,000.

Do you feel that issues are settled and off the table once YOUR mind is made up...OR do you feel so strongly against Gary Johnson that you are compelled to campaign AGAINST him...OR do you feel compelled to campaign to get others to write-in Ron Paul?

I won't bother looking for it inasmuch as we know the data base is compromised, but I DID tell y'all back in the day...when I was being accused of being stupid &/or being Cointelpro...that y'all should be kicking the "the early state" superiority concept in the balls and demanding, ON PRINCIPLE, a write-in option on every ballot. (What are we saving, INK?)

But nooooo, the Underdogs with the small war chest and the non-violence principle can beat 'em at their own game, by throwing money at the infamous Broken System and playing respectfully by their rules.

 

[brandon]

I voted Senator but I don't really have a strong opinion about it. I think he's a fairly good candidate for the Libertarian party, even though he's not really a Libertarian in the same vein as Paul, Browne or Badnarik. He's closer to them than he is to Bob Barr though, which I'm very grateful for.

 

[Nathan Hale]

He should have run for Senate - I've been saying this since the start of the cycle in early 2011. But he didn't. And that's just fine.

To wit - right now Paul is out of the race. That leaves Obama, Romney....and a liberty candidate! Perhaps it's not under ideal circumstances - the LP is a joke. But the LP isn't enough of an albatross that it stops Johnson from being able to make a difference IF he gets our support. The LP gives Johnson a huge edge as an independent candidate because it gives him 50 state ballot access. Couple that with some good fundraising from liberty circles and Johnson is quite capable of hitting the 15% necessary to get him in the debate and change the world.

Is it a long shot? Yes.

Was the Paul plan to retake the GOP the better plan to take? Yes.

But that's all out the window right now. If Johnson fails, then in 2016 we can talk about Rand Paul for President -the beauty of this whole thing is that Johnson's move doesn't hurt our efforts to infiltrate the GOP. But lets get behind Johnson now. I guarantee that if Ron Paul wasn't holding open the GOP door he would offer Gary a ringing endorsement, the two have been friends for years (as anybody who was in libertarian circles before 2007 would know).

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

We could've used Gary in the U.S. Senate.

 

[Cody1]

Duly noted.

Published statistics say the membership on this board that was called LIBERTY FOREST before it took a fork in the road to become RON PAUL FORUMS is over 40,000.

Do you feel that issues are settled and off the table once YOUR mind is made up...OR do you feel so strongly against Gary Johnson that you are compelled to campaign AGAINST him...OR do you feel compelled to campaign to get others to write-in Ron Paul?

I won't bother looking for it inasmuch as we know the data base is compromised, but I DID tell y'all back in the day...when I was being accused of being stupid &/or being Cointelpro...that y'all should be kicking the "the early state" superiority concept in the balls and demanding, ON PRINCIPLE, a write-in option on every ballot. (What are we saving, INK?)

But nooooo, the Underdogs with the small war chest and the non-violence principle can beat 'em at their own game, by throwing money at the infamous Broken System and playing respectfully by their rules.

duly noted

duly noted

duly noted

Wait..what are you ranting about again?

 

[sailingaway]

He should have run for Senate - I've been saying this since the start of the cycle in early 2011. But he didn't. And that's just fine.

To wit - right now Paul is out of the race. That leaves Obama, Romney....and a liberty candidate! Perhaps it's not under ideal circumstances - the LP is a joke. But the LP isn't enough of an albatross that it stops Johnson from being able to make a difference IF he gets our support. The LP gives Johnson a huge edge as an independent candidate because it gives him 50 state ballot access. Couple that with some good fundraising from liberty circles and Johnson is quite capable of hitting the 15% necessary to get him in the debate and change the world.

Is it a long shot? Yes.

Was the Paul plan to retake the GOP the better plan to take? Yes.

But that's all out the window right now. If Johnson fails, then in 2016 we can talk about Rand Paul for President -the beauty of this whole thing is that Johnson's move doesn't hurt our efforts to infiltrate the GOP. But lets get behind Johnson now. I guarantee that if Ron Paul wasn't holding open the GOP door he would offer Gary a ringing endorsement, the two have been friends for years (as anybody who was in libertarian circles before 2007 would know).

Ron Paul is not out of the race. He is YET likely to achieve more in what is LEFT of his race than Gary is, imho.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

You've been going on about this since Ron pretty much dropped out before California and Texas...but I've not seen anything to support the idea. What I have seen is Ron Paul's staffers being absorbed by the RNC. To me, that seems a lot like the RNC is gaining and we are losing. At the very least, the campaign could have kept the score EVEN.

It would have been nice if the campaign made a decision one way or the other. Being secretive, squandering resources, and the damage caused by the indecisiveness is NOT helping the cause in any way. If you recall, there was a stretch (and there may still be) where we couldn't even coordinate with the official campaign.

Again, I place the blame squarely on the campaign for this...not Ron. And then there's the whole Rand issue... to me, it just seems like a lot of guys we were trusting threw a lot of our momentum Romney's way instead of our own way. On top of that, I don't believe Richard Gilbert is competent and I firmly believe that lawsuit won't even be heard (it's a shame because I sense many people have slowed efforts thinking the lawsuit would solve most of our problems.)

On the flipside, GJ is around 6% right now. If the campaign is not trying to win the nomination (and it didn't seem like they were since Iowa....) I have no problem putting money behind GJ to get him in the debates.

Long story short, another massive amount of incompetency from the official campaign, Ron is caught in the crossfire, and the supporters are left holding the baggage.

Ron Paul is not out of the race. He is YET likely to achieve more in what is LEFT of his race than Gary is, imho.

 

[Nathan Hale]

Ron Paul is not out of the race. He is YET likely to achieve more in what is LEFT of his race than Gary is, imho.

I wholeheartedly disagree with what you say, sir, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

 

[falconplayer11]

Ron Paul is not out of the race. He is YET likely to achieve more in what is LEFT of his race than Gary is, imho.

That view is perhaps the most detrimental thing to happen to the liberty movement yet. What is Ron going to do? Mitt is a flip-flopper...there's no getting him to agree to do something. And who even reads the platform?

Let's support Gary Johnson and get him in the debates. He is actually running for president. Don't write in someone who is not even running.

 

[falconplayer11]

And Gary has always said he doesn't think he can beat the current Senator.