Gary Johnson rapidly becoming RP's worst opponent for president.

[trey4sports]

seriously, can we not have some constructive debate w/o everyone telling husky to move to a different forum?

 

[trey4sports]

Explains a lot.

Seriously?

 

[HazyHusky420]

Explains a lot.

What does it explain? My anarcho-capitalism? I highly doubt Murray Rothbard was a stoner and he was an anarcho-capitalist.

 

[klamath]

We need more than one person to present the message

So back to Bachmann, let's get her to run. She could bring people in that GJ can't

 

[HazyHusky420]

seriously, can we not have some constructive debate w/o everyone telling husky to move to a different forum?

Thank. I'm surprised all of this would erupt from me being strictly anti-interventionism.

 

[trey4sports]

So back to Bachmann, let's get her to run. She could bring people in that GJ can't

Gary agrees with Ron on every single issue that Michelle agrees with Ron on, yet he goes the extra mile and supports him on issues Bachmann wouldn't dare touch...

 

[gls]

I just don't see how Gary could possibly garner the sort of name-recognition necessary to make him a viable candidate. He certainly wouldn't get much help from the corporate media, and having been out of office for eight years won't exactly make him appear particularly relevant to the current political scene.

 

[klamath]

Gary agrees with Ron on every single issue that Michelle agrees with Ron on, yet he goes the extra mile and supports him on issues Bachmann wouldn't dare touch...

And GJ disagrees with RP on some major major issues. What GJ shows with his defend Israel with US troops and humanitarian wars is an extreme ignorance of foriegn policy and especially the middle eastern foreign policy. What he says against the current wars is very shallow as he is not even seeing the cause and effect of our current involvement in the middle east. If GJ were ever to be elected his conflicting views would very likely get us involved in certain areas and not involved in more critical areas. He could get us involved in REAL serious wars, blundering about with his conflicting views.

 

[trey4sports]

And GJ disagrees with RP on some major major issues. What GJ shows with his defend Israel with US troops and humanitarian wars is an extreme ignorance of foriegn policy and especially the middle eastern foreign policy. What he says against the current wars is very shallow as he is not even seeing the cause and effect of our current involvement in the middle east. If GJ were ever to be elected his conflicting views would very likely get us involved in certain areas and not involved in more critical areas. He could get us involved in REAL serious wars, blundering about with his conflicting views.

So does Bachmann only to a much larger extent!!!!

 

[klamath]

So does Bachmann only to a much larger extent!!!!

And I am NOT promoting her and encouraging her to run for president!!!!! If she decides to run against RP, I will be quite fair in showing how she is not the proper person to be president. I would be all over supporting a GJ run for senate because he WOULD be a step up from what NM has now.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

h XXp://race42012.com/2010/12/19/gary-johnson-gets-serious/

It would surprise me if Gary Johnson expects to place within the top three in Iowa, as the state’s electorate doesn’t figure to take to his libertarian leanings. New Hampshire, however, is another story…

On the downside, a new obstacle for Johnson arose this past week, with Ron Paul stating that he might run in 2012. With both in the race, they would largely have to compete for the same voters. For candidates who thought they’d least have to worry about keeping their natural constituencies in their corner, that presents grave problems.

Of course, Paul could opt against a run if Johnson formally announces a campaign.

At best: Gary Johnson will hurt Ron Paul in the primary. At worst: Johnson's candidacy will dissuade Paul from running all-together. Hoo...ray?

 

[Bergie Bergeron]

They probably talked with each other before.

 

[SilentBull]

The people who hate Gary Johnson for his comments on Israel and the wars, have to realize that even Rand had to adjust his message when running. Many supporters were angry at Rand, and look at him now. He's working on making military cuts acceptable to republicans. Once someone popular like Rand starts coming out and doing this, other republicans will no longer be afraid to advocate for such things. Do you guys not understand strategy?? Do you not understand that to win, you cannot come out and say everything you believe?? You have to be careful what you say, and once you are in a position to change things, you can gradually convince others that it is ok to believe what you believe and still be a republican.

 

[pacelli]

All the RP supporters had better start paying attention to this sneaky coop of RP's chances and stand up for the man that fought 30 lonely years to build a base.

This isn't the only sneaky coop. Look at the flippin' Tea Party movement. Whose supporters started that, and who gets the credit? More importantly, look at the reasons we started that movement, and look at the disgrace that the establishment has morphed it into. Only because of Rand do we have any remaining association there.

 

[klamath]

The people who hate Gary Johnson for his comments on Israel and the wars, have to realize that even Rand had to adjust his message when running. Many supporters were angry at Rand, and look at him now. He's working on making military cuts acceptable to republicans. Once someone popular like Rand starts coming out and doing this, other republicans will no longer be afraid to advocate for such things. Do you guys not understand strategy?? Do you not understand that to win, you cannot come out and say everything you believe?? You have to be careful what you say, and once you are in a position to change things, you can gradually convince others that it is ok to believe what you believe and still be a republican.

Has Rand ever said he would use US troops to defend Israel? Has Rand ever said we should send troops to fight humanitarian wars? When you cross the line from defending war that you believe is defending America to defending war for the good of another country you are squarely in NEOCON philosophy. That IS what defines a Neocon. A neocon is someone that believes we should use American power to do good around the world. I Know that neocons are savaged as the devils incarnate around here but that is exactly what they believe. They are making the world a better place with American power and troops if necessary.

 

[Wren]

The people who hate Gary Johnson for his comments on Israel and the wars, have to realize that even Rand had to adjust his message when running. Many supporters were angry at Rand, and look at him now. He's working on making military cuts acceptable to republicans. Once someone popular like Rand starts coming out and doing this, other republicans will no longer be afraid to advocate for such things. Do you guys not understand strategy?? Do you not understand that to win, you cannot come out and say everything you believe?? You have to be careful what you say, and once you are in a position to change things, you can gradually convince others that it is ok to believe what you believe and still be a republican.

The senate and the presidency are two entirely different things. We can afford to be a little lenient on senate candidates, but when it comes to the presidency, Ron Paul is the only person I'd ever vote and help campaign for.

 

[SilentBull]

The senate and the presidency are two entirely different things. We can afford to be a little lenient on senate candidates, but when it comes to the presidency, Ron Paul is the only person I'd ever vote and help campaign for.

Ok then. So we will win senate seats but never the presidency. Good plan.

And I don't mean to say Ron Paul can't win. I think he can. I mean that we have to understand that libertarians will have to change their message a bit sometimes. That's all.

 

[Nena]

First of all...

I really don't think Gary Johnson is trying to take away anyone's limelight. I think it's still unclear whether or not Ron will run and GJ just wanted to make sure there was someone like him on the ballot. I've been to caucuses, spoken with primary voters... (OMG I just said "I" four times, I must be an egomaniac.)

Seriously though, Republican primary voters probably aren't going to vote for someone questionably pro-choice. If Gary get's close, the other candidates will be talking about abortion in every piece of mail they send out and in every public appearance they make. So many pro-lifers are single-issue voters. Even apart from that issue, I don't know many people who would support Gary over Ron if they both ran a real campaign. Until there is a GaryJohnsonForums.com, no one ought to worry.

 

[enjoiskaterguy]

I agree. Quite frankly, the liberty movement needs to triple its efforts under a single candidate in 2012. When there's competition like this, the vote is split and both are marginalized.

YES...this is key..I totaly agree.