Gary Johnson rapidly becoming RP's worst opponent for president.

[klamath]

He supports a rift between Ron Paul and Gary Johnson supporters...

kinda like someone else around here..

You don't get to vote for two presidents. Why is every other potential opponent of RP is savaged if they are brought up? It is so they don't get converts from RP's base. GJ is running in direct opposition to RP.
and some people are supporting GJ around here slyly trying to syphon off votes from RP selling us a line that it will help RP.

 

[klamath]

Why would Ron Paul's base need to be defended if Johnson is so bad on these issues? Wouldn't these issues be cutting into the base of the neo-cons? Of which can then be enlightened on the ideas of liberty?

How do you plan on syphoning off a few huck, palin and romney voters?

By letting the RP base know GJ is no RP as some on here are try to sell him as.

 

[erowe1]

You don't get to vote for two presidents. Why is every other potential opponent of RP is savaged if they are brought up? It is so they don't get converts from RP's base. GJ is running in direct opposition to RP.

So we run against him. We do what we can to make sure people support RP and not GJ with their votes, donations, and campaign efforts. But we don't burn any bridges while we're doing it.

 

[klamath]

Jesus, i can't believe some folks.

Gary Johnson = GOP lite ?? are you kidding me??????

Rand Paul wouldn't say half the shit Gary says and yet he gets a free pass because his last name is Paul.

No GJ is neocon light. Fighting humanitarian wars is a solid plank out of neoconservatism.

 

[klamath]

So we run against him. We do what we can to make sure people support RP and not GJ with their votes, donations, and campaign efforts. But we don't burn any bridges while we're doing it.

And that is exactly what I am doing. GJ calling RP an obstructionist is burning bridges from GJ side. GJ people coming on stating that RP doesn't own this site, RP is too old RP is a racist IS burning bridges.

 

[erowe1]

And that is exactly what I am doing. GJ calling RP an obstructionist is burning bridges from GJ side. GJ people coming on stating that RP doesn't own this site, RP is too old RP is a racist IS burning bridges.

RP IS an obstructionist. He's Dr. No. That's one of the best things about him. So GJ wants to take a more moderate approach in hopes to broaden his appeal and set himself apart from RP. I'm fine with that. RP has certainly been called worse things by the other candidates and their surrogates.

When you look at that quote from GJ, and the fact that he's not as much against the drug war as RP is (but more against it than all the other candidates are), and not as much against humanitarian wars as RP is (but more against them than all the others are), and not as much against taxes as RP is (but more against them than the others are), you see him as neocon-lite. I look at the same things and see him as RP-lite. I think we need more RP-lites.

 

[Elwar]

and some people are supporting GJ around here slyly trying to syphon off votes from RP selling us a line that it will help RP.

Please point to the instances of people supporting GJ around here trying to syphon votes from RP.

If I go to a voting booth and Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are on my ballot. I will certainly be punching Ron Paul's name.

But I would rather have at least one of them on my ballot.

 

[klamath]

Please point to the instances of people supporting GJ around here trying to syphon votes from RP.

If I go to a voting booth and Ron Paul and Gary Johnson are on my ballot. I will certainly be punching Ron Paul's name.

But I would rather have at least one of them on my ballot.

Explain to me why people post everything GJ does on this site. The people on here are RP supporters. The attempt is to syphon off the "RP Light supporters" no other reason. If they were posting it on a general republican site it is to expand the base, posting it here is to steal RP's base.

 

[klamath]

RP IS an obstructionist. He's Dr. No. That's one of the best things about him. So GJ wants to take a more moderate approach in hopes to broaden his appeal and set himself apart from RP. I'm fine with that. RP has certainly been called worse things by the other candidates and their surrogates.

When you look at that quote from GJ, and the fact that he's not as much against the drug war as RP is (but more against it than all the other candidates are), and not as much against humanitarian wars as RP is (but more against them than all the others are), and not as much against taxes as RP is (but more against them than the others are), you see him as neocon-lite. I look at the same things and see him as RP-lite. I think we need more RP-lites.

I do to but not running against RP. I will support Jim Demint for senator but if he starts running against RP I am going to pick RP and point out all the faults of Demint.

 

[klamath]

Go look at the thread about Michelle Bachmann. She isn't even running but someone mentioned her name for president. She is being ripped to bloody ribons. Why are not some of you "expand the base types" not in there defending MB???

 

[trey4sports]

this is a revolution of ideas, not a revolution of one man. If the goal is to influence the debate and bring the GOP back to its roots then having GJ up on stage alongside Ron Paul will be much more beneficial to our movement than just having Ron Paul.

 

[trey4sports]

Go look at the thread about Michelle Bachmann. She isn't even running but someone mentioned her name for president. She is being ripped to bloody ribons. Why are not some of you "expand the base types" not in there defending MB???

because Bachmann is worthless

 

[klamath]

because Bachmann is worthless

GJ in my opinion is just as worthless as Bachmann.

 

[Imperial]

GJ in my opinion is just as worthless as Bachmann.

Somebody who agrees with us on 85% of the issues is the same as Bachmann, who only really agrees on economics?

Look to the longterm. Ron Paul will not be in politics forever. As of now, we really only have Rand who is also prominent on the national stage. That is a lot of eggs in one basket. However, Gary Johnson participating in the debates and seeing what support he could gather initially would be a great way to build a candidate with another national profile.

 

[trey4sports]

GJ in my opinion is just as worthless as Bachmann.

Really?

supports ending both major wars
stated we should end the fed at RFTR
believes in marijuana legalization (and supports reforming the war on drugs) mind you, Rand hasn't taken a stance even close to this
vetoed more bills during his tenure in office than all other governors combined.....


I know he's no Ron Paul, but can you honestly say he is Bachmann?

 

[trey4sports]

Somebody who agrees with us on 85% of the issues is the same as Bachmann, who only really agrees on economics?

+1 my point exactly

 

[HazyHusky420]

If Duncan Hunter and Tom Tancredo (both vile and disgusting authoritarian war mongers) supporters could have orgies together like they did last election then why can't Johnson and Paul supporters get along? I mean Hunter and Tancredo represent hate and fear. I though Paul and Johnson represented liberty.

 

[HazyHusky420]

+1 my point exactly

How can one agree with Paul on economics and be an interventionist? Does anyone remember how much our foreign policy costs?

 

[klamath]

Somebody who agrees with us on 85% of the issues is the same as Bachmann, who only really agrees on economics?

Look to the longterm. Ron Paul will not be in politics forever. As of now, we really only have Rand who is also prominent on the national stage. That is a lot of eggs in one basket. However, Gary Johnson participating in the debates and seeing what support he could gather initially would be a great way to build a candidate with another national profile.

MB votes with RP 70% to 80% of the time. Enough so RP endorsed and sent money to her.

 

[HazyHusky420]

MB votes with RP 70% to 80% of the time. Enough so RP endorsed and sent money to her.

Now my support for Paul is withering away.