Gary Johnson on 2012: Cites Paul movement and apathetic pot smokers 4 poor results

Gary has the same problem that many of us have. He focuses on small disagreements with allies, and doesn't spend enough time bashing the worst opposition. Hammer Obama and Hillary, try to follow the Reagan rule with allies. Don't let interviewers bait you into in-fighting.
 
Gary has the same problem that many of us have. He focuses on small disagreements with allies, and doesn't spend enough time bashing the worst opposition. Hammer Obama and Hillary, try to follow the Reagan rule with allies. Don't let interviewers bait you into in-fighting.
Bingo.
 
He would have made a nice addition to the Senate but the fucker's ego is way too big. I held my nose when I voted for him in the general.
 
Ironically this statement confirms why I've never been too impressed with Gary Johnson and why he didn't get my vote.

I've always had the impression that his view of the world was not entirely coherent and therefore he has a bit of a problem understanding the zeitgeist.
 
Gary has the same problem that many of us have. He focuses on small disagreements with allies, and doesn't spend enough time bashing the worst opposition. Hammer Obama and Hillary, try to follow the Reagan rule with allies. Don't let interviewers bait you into in-fighting.

I don't even care whom he wants to bash if he traveled or hosted rallies 1/20 the frequency by either Ron or Rand in their sleepiest political season, just to show himself not as lazy as everyone else implied by his finger wagging, if not to educate and galvanize because he turns people off by shrugging his shoulders too much during interviews

He would have made a nice addition to the Senate

Why? In terms of ideas and principle there is no shortage of either from candidates selected amongst this coalition. some of our best picks thus far in fact are shown as ones with not much politicking experience, legislative, executive or otherwise.

I don't get why the hell people say things about him being nice for anything, based on what? The fact that lines like that had been repeated a thousand times over and had taken on a form of some urban legend of its own special style? The last thing we need is another Libertarian demagogue playing the social justice card in any position of power at all--no one cares, deal with it. If you're trying to create the most indistinguishable difference between you and other libertarians by the most elaborate social justice rhetoric, just don't bother. Or join Hillary, she is more powerful so you might have better luck with your 'cause'.

And i don't get why people mention the governor credential. Obviously nobody else outside libertarian camp seems to care. If people cared, it would have mattered in 2012. it did not. The governor title is only for people who have family backgrounds and built up connections with the establishment during their governorship, and orders are passed for every MSM journalist to repeat his 'governor your highness' x1000 times over each article and to give them interview for exposure, so people hear that governor title, that's how they matter with their little governorship titles when national debate starts and they already have name recognition as their royalty highness. Nobody in msm cares about Johnson enough to mention his name, so his governorship doesn't matter. This means he gets to compete from ground zero, same starting line as everyone else purely with his on-stage abilities, perseverance, tirelessness to travel and gain his own name recognition and everything else, etc. "GJ god em' great resume cos he waz a governator" I don't want to hear that stupid line ever again. Governorship doesn't matter one bit because it's a msm title and msm does not care about him. God i hate GJ and his parrot band-wagoners. if there is one justified drivel it should be people who supported GJ over Ron in 2012. Nobody should ever forget that

I like Gary, but running for President was not useful. Being in the Senate is. And he could win.

It should be more and more evident to the rest of you now that if he ever ran for the senate, his wouldn't be Gary Johnson. So why don't we get over that at some point.

Johnson is neither an ideas guy like Thomas Massie nor a superb orator like Rand Paul, and media has little care for advertising his governorship, hence it is a moot advantage, it matters less than Rand being an ophthalmologist and a baseball coach before he was elected, or Thomas Massie being some city council guy. as mentioned, some of those shown to be our best picks thus far are people with zilch governorship or legislative experience.

If you want legislative histories/achievements to use as reference when speaking to voters, you can easily do what Rand does regularly when you there is none of your own--have aides organize couple folder full of documents, memorize them, and use other people's legislative experience at your disposal when you need examples of effective legislation/executive decisions during public policy debates. so no, having experiences of your own at being a governor or legislator actually matters little, and it might actually become an impedement if those experiences ever become the source of hubris to inhibit you from further learning. This seems to be what's happening with Johnson, and I doubt lazy GJ would bother putting in 3% equivalent of Rand's effort at this point. Can GJ's name never come up again, like ever, into the future? He had enough attention in 2012, and he didn't do shit with it. People should learn their lessons in people read
 
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Gary Johnson is an idiot and has no charisma. Hes cocky but has absolutely no reason to be. His philosophical and economic understandings of Libertarianism appear to be weak.

The fact that he would turn down a Senate Seat shows his sheer ignorance.

This is all coming from someone who voted for that twat.
 
Despite people's impression, Gary is technically brilliant and more aloof than he is cocky. His understanding of economics is advanced, it's just more of the Chicago school. He didn't get where he is being lazy either.
The problem is simple. LP style Libertarianism is a niche that only a small, educated, mostly male, group of 1% of voters is interested in. The only sweet spot for us is to play in to right wing populist style that Rand has played into. It means confrontations, and it means compromises. It means dramatics, and even the occasional hyperbole is necessary. Gary thinks like an Engineer; engineers are not politicians. Politics is an art.
And truthfully, Gary probably would have done a lot better in 12 if RP didn't run. No fault to Ron, there's just only so many ways the liberty pie can be split. And Ron's fans are loyal if nothing else.
 
I never liked gary johnson from listening to him. but I thought he had a good wikipedia page and good credentials - the construction company.

His rambling about "cost-benefit analysis" didn't light too many fires on the debate stage. But his platform was very good and he was an outstanding governor from what I saw. Funny how some governors get to be "electable" POTUS candidates and others are completely marginalized. What makes Georgia (Carter) or Arkansas (Clinton) more "presidential" than New Mexico?
 
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Despite people's impression, Gary is technically brilliant and more aloof than he is cocky. His understanding of economics is advanced, it's just more of the Chicago school. He didn't get where he is being lazy either.
The problem is simple. LP style Libertarianism is a niche that only a small, educated, mostly male, group of 1% of voters is interested in. The only sweet spot for us is to play in to right wing populist style that Rand has played into. It means confrontations, and it means compromises. It means dramatics, and even the occasional hyperbole is necessary. Gary thinks like an Engineer; engineers are not politicians. Politics is an art.
And truthfully, Gary probably would have done a lot better in 12 if RP didn't run. No fault to Ron, there's just only so many ways the liberty pie can be split. And Ron's fans are loyal if nothing else.

I'm no Wenzel fan, but in Wenzel's interview of him, he had no idea about Milton Friedman and could not answer when Wenzel asked him what he liked about Friedman.

You're acting as if Gary is purer than Rand, but Rand supports the 10th amendment and opposes humanitarian interventions.
Gary, as shown by his criticism of Ron, Rand and other libertarian Republicans for their opposition to federal gay marriage and abortion, is not a pure libertarian.

If Rand is a right wing populist, Gary is a centrist populist. Neither are 100% pure, but Rand is the purer of the two.
 
Despite people's impression, Gary is technically brilliant and more aloof than he is cocky. His understanding of economics is advanced, it's just more of the Chicago school. He didn't get where he is being lazy either.
The problem is simple. LP style Libertarianism is a niche that only a small, educated, mostly male, group of 1% of voters is interested in. The only sweet spot for us is to play in to right wing populist style that Rand has played into. It means confrontations, and it means compromises. It means dramatics, and even the occasional hyperbole is necessary. Gary thinks like an Engineer; engineers are not politicians. Politics is an art.
And truthfully, Gary probably would have done a lot better in 12 if RP didn't run. No fault to Ron, there's just only so many ways the liberty pie can be split. And Ron's fans are loyal if nothing else.

I was about to say that. 'Cosmolibertarianism' is dying due to the internet. The pro-open borders thing is a big barrier to success. I've realized that being for open borders means being for importing millions of leftist people who will vote for as much entitlements as possible. The majority will not be converted to libertarianism just because we want them to be. Research has been done showing that Latinos generally don't vote conservative and that the candidate's immigration stance has no effect on this. So whether a candidate on the right (which is what we are like it or not) is for open borders and amnesty or not, he will not be voted for by the majority of Hispanic immigrants. So open immigration literally means broadening the left's base more and more and making political victories for non-left wing candidates increasingly impossible. I feel bad for the people who would vote for liberty if they came here but sadly there's just not enough of them to allow it.
 
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Meh. People who run 3rd party will never understand it's a two party system. I keep voting for these guys but I'm not delusional. It's a sports culture. There's only room for two teams on any field at once.
 
...Oh shucky darns, Gary Johnson! Well, you might as well go ahead and mark us down now as the reason for your poor results to-be in 2016.
 
I'm no Wenzel fan, but in Wenzel's interview of him, he had no idea about Milton Friedman and could not answer when Wenzel asked him what he liked about Friedman.

You're acting as if Gary is purer than Rand, but Rand supports the 10th amendment and opposes humanitarian interventions.
Gary, as shown by his criticism of Ron, Rand and other libertarian Republicans for their opposition to federal gay marriage and abortion, is not a pure libertarian.

If Rand is a right wing populist, Gary is a centrist populist. Neither are 100% pure, but Rand is the purer of the two.

Wenzel grilled him on Rothbard, not Friedman.
 
In a way he is right.

Too many RP supporters wasted their votes when they were not counted because they wrote his name in instead of voting for Gary.
 
Gary Johnson did a "Ask Me Anything" over at Reddit yesterday if anyone is interested:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1fozr0/reddit_i_am_a_with_gov_gary_johnson/

There is a dude RIPPING GJ apart because GJ cheating the commentor out of rent, and because GJ is in general a dick. Fantastic.

"I am the guy you rented a studio from in Los Angeles to record a green screen video because they wouldn't let you participate in the debates... It took me months to get your people to pay me, with repeated attempts to collect (not even a simple response until I posted it to your FB page). As a registered Libertarian and, in general, a guy who shares a lot of your positions on issues, I was fairly astonished that you would allow such reprehensible people to run your campaign... my question: Why would anyone vote for someone who refuses to compensate small business owners for services provided?
In the end, they paid (the reduced rate I offered when I thought it might be paid on time and felt like offering a discount, to help out a campaign I thought I agreed with). It didn't even come close to the hours I put in or the time I spent ATTEMPTING to collect. Feel free to PM me, get my information and pay what you ought to have paid... Obviously, I have lots of proof that it was me.
EDIT: Here is a screenshot of the invoice... When I factor in all the additional time they requested for setup, additional hours they stayed when he was several hours late, and all the time it took to even get them to pay this...I also gave them the single studio rental when they used the entire studio, which should have been a MUCH higher rate. Just bad business! I should note that I told them the remainder was due the day of the rental. They told me to contact the people on the invoice... which was a violation of our terms.
EDIT2: And here is the video they made. I did not produce the video and have nothing to do with it aside from renting the space.
EDIT3: This has more upvotes than the question about Gov. Christie, which you answered with the (paraphrased) response, "he's fat." Can anyone really take you seriously, sir? The economy is is turmoil and you are responding with fat jokes, whilst ignoring why you would let your campaign actively NOT pay a small business owner, all while trying to convince people you are good for the country. Sack up. Answer, Governor.
EDIT4: In light of EdwardJamesAlmost's comment, I would like to amend something. I called the people managing his campaign reprehensible, when if fact, they were just running a perfectly standard political campaign. They get paid to prioritize financial expenditures, often to the detriment of the small business owner. Reprehensible? Probably not. Praiseworthy? DEFINITELY not."
 
His rambling about "cost-benefit analysis" didn't light too many fires on the debate stage. But his platform was very good and he was an outstanding governor from what I saw. Funny how some governors get to be "electable" POTUS candidates and others are completely marginalized. What makes Georgia (Carter) or Arkansas (Clinton) more "presidential" than New Mexico?

Both Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and even Bush Jr. were much more relatable than GJ. They talked with people, not to them, at them, or above them. GJ could never connect with anyone, on any personal level. He had the charisma of a wooden plank.
 
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