Gary Johnson Gary Johnson; Libertarian failure.

[misean]

But Johnson will never be President. Ever. I don't know why a case would be made based on his electability at this point. He is not electable at all.

Secondly, the reason that candidates like Ron and Harry generated so much enthusiasm and support is their ability to communicate the ideas of liberty in ways that average people can understand. Gary does not have this ability. I would NEVER send someone to a Gary Johnson YouTube in order to educate them about what I believe like I would with Ron or Harry. I get the feeling that a person would be really confused after listening to Gary explain liberty.

I agree with all of that.

 

[torchbearer]

this thread is the example of eating our own.
congrats.

the LP is the base of our support. fuck them.

 

[SewrRatt]

The LP isn't anything but individuals and we can't just pretend everyone with an L next to their name is okay. Otherwise we would be supporting warmongers like Bob Barr and Wayne Allen Root. Calling them out for their faults isn't eating our own, it's preventing our movement from being subverted by neocons like the tea party was. If I had gotten the slightest impression that Gary Johnson was interested in learning about Austrian economics and/or the philosophy of liberty, I might support him, but he's given me no such indication. He instead appears to be an opportunist trying to take advantage of the popularity of the liberty movement to further his own career, just like Bob Barr. His rhetoric is better but he remains much more ignorant about things he should supposedly be interested in than most of the people on these forums.

We also know for a fact that he left victimless criminals to rot and be raped in prison when he had every opportunity to get them out.

 

[liveandletlive]

i've grown to kinda like him, he's against all the right things for the most part. and yea, there are way smarter people on this forum, which is probably why the folks here arent in politics. Gary is politician, not a economics professor. and if i might say he was pretty good at his job.

 

[WesSeid]

Not meant to be harsh but I don't believe he is ready to be president of the United States. He really struggles on some key questions about economics.

No problem then because he won't be President. But he might stick it to the two-headed beast a bit.

video: I think Gary held his own well enough. The interviewer comes across as an ass, especially with his constantly telling Gary he's wrong "because hardcore libertarians think this or that." Not everyone is a "hardcore" libertarian or reads "hardcore" libertarian authors.

I think people bashing GJ a lot for this interview should reconsider. Gary's obviously not as well-read as Ron, (who is?), but the interviewer was bashing him a lot for not being "hardcore."

If Gary gets on stage and says we should end Afghanistan tomorrow, end The Fed tomorrow, and balance the budget tomorrow, that's still three more things the other two bozos running for President won't say. I'll take that. Hell, I'll take even ONE of those.

 

[Indy Vidual]

This interview is a fucking train wreck....

Maybe he smoked a big joint before the interview.
Scary Johnson is the best person of the 3 on the ballot.

 

[HigherVision]

Has anyone watched his recent speech at Paulfest? He sounded a lot more Austro-libertarian to me than before. Was talking about legalizing competing currencies. He also talked about ending all the wars now and was explicitly anti-interventionist. I think as part of his recent strategy of trying to win over Ron Paul's audience he's also been learning more about Ron Paul's positions and adopting them. Without actually admitting that he didn't fully know what liberty was about before. I believe that the guy is for real and that he has heart. I don't really believe in the idea of an ideal perfect human, I'd rather side with someone who's less polished but for real. Not saying that Ron wasn't but more the glorification that any beloved public figure inevitably attracts. Ron wasn't always a 'perfect' libertarian either, for example he voted for the initial vote to go to war in Afghanistan even though he says he was just voting to go after Al-Qaida or whatever and didn't want to get into nation building. But come on, he must have known that that's what inevitably would happen. But at the time it was right after 9/11 and anyone who voted no for decision was labeled a traitor by 99 percent of the media and public. So he went with the politically safe move on that one rare occasion proving that no one is infallible. And those newsletters, say what you will but at the end of the day he let that shit go out under his name and made money off of them. That caused a lot of problems for us. As much as I like and admire the guy I'm kind of glad that candidates I'll be supporting in the future more than likely won't have racist newsletters whose existence I have to defend. That "what about those racist newsletters?" won't be a question I'll most likely ever have to answer again.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Has anyone watched his recent speech at Paulfest? He sounded a lot more Austro-libertarian to me than before. Was talking about legalizing competing currencies. He also talked about ending all the wars now and was explicitly anti-interventionist. I think as part of his recent strategy of trying to win over Ron Paul's audience he's also been learning more about Ron Paul's positions and adopting them. Without actually admitting that he didn't fully know what liberty was about before. I believe that the guy is for real and that he has heart. I don't really believe in the idea of an ideal perfect human, I'd rather side with someone who's less polished but for real. Not saying that Ron wasn't but more the glorification that any beloved public figure inevitably attracts. Ron wasn't always a 'perfect' libertarian either, for example he voted for the initial vote to go to war in Afghanistan even though he says he was just voting to go after Al-Qaida or whatever and didn't want to get into nation building. But come on, he must have known that that's what inevitably would happen. But at the time it was right after 9/11 and anyone who voted no for decision was labeled a traitor by 99 percent of the media and public. So he went with the politically safe move on that one rare occasion proving that no one is infallible.

He was given Henry Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson" and Murray Rothbard's "The Ethics of Liberty (or maybe it was For A New Liberty, not sure)" after the Wenzel interview, it's possible Johnson read them and has applied them to his outlook.

 

[tuggy24g]

Gary Johnson is the guy we all need to vote to show the other two parties we will not take it anymore!

 

[specsaregood]

Gary Johnson is the guy we all need to vote to show the other two parties we will not take it anymore!

Wrong. Virgil Goode is the guy we all need to vote for to show that we don't support interventionism and humanitarian wars.

 

[tuggy24g]

Wrong. Virgil Goode is the guy we all need to vote for to show that we don't support interventionism and humanitarian wars.

He is not on the ballot in all 50 states. Second the Republicans do not care about him to fight him on getting of the ballot. As I keep saying. If the Republicans are working so hard to get Gary Johnson off the ballot in some swing states. Well then why not vote for him to tell the Republicans that what your doing is not right. We will not take it anymore. Virgil Goode might be a little better, but if we spread all the votes to different people then no third party will get enough votes to make a difference this election cycle. The goal to me should be making one candidate get more votes then ever in history this election cycle. That way we can show the Republicans and democrats we are pissed at you for what you promise and do not do. Gary Johnson is in all 50 states. He can gain more votes then Virgil Goode can. More people know who Gary Johnson is then Virgil Goode. More people are scared of Gary Johnson taking votes away. Not Virgil Goode at all! So that is why I say vote Gary Johnson. Also he will not win so you can look at it as a protest vote. You can still have your voice heard and your still voting on principle.

 

[specsaregood]

He is not on the ballot in all 50 states. Second the Republicans do not care about him to fight him on getting of the ballot. As I keep saying. If the Republicans are working so hard to get Gary Johnson off the ballot in some swing states. Well then why not vote for him to tell the Republicans that what your doing is not right. We will not take it anymore. Virgil Goode might be a little better, but if we spread all the votes to different people then no third party will get enough votes to make a difference this election cycle. The goal to me should be making one candidate get more votes then ever in history this election cycle. That way we can show the Republicans and democrats we are pissed at you for what you promise and do not do. Gary Johnson is in all 50 states. He can gain more votes then Virgil Goode can. More people know who Gary Johnson is then Virgil Goode. More people are scared of Gary Johnson taking votes away. Not Virgil Goode at all! So that is why I say vote Gary Johnson. Also he will not win so you can look at it as a protest vote. You can still have your voice heard and your still voting on principle.

I don't support humanitarian war promoters, so voting johnson would be violating my principles. Guess thats ok with you.
And you are wrong about Mr. Goode. He is on my state's ballot and the only reason he isn't on PA is because of Romney. In fact, just the other day he won ballot access in VA, over the Romney campaigns objections:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/board...-ballot-despite-gop-challenge/article/2506936

Board puts Virgil Goode on Virginia ballot despite GOP challenge

Constitution Party presidential candidate Virgil Goode is officially -- for now -- on the presidential ballot in Virginia, a battleground state where he has deep roots and poses a real threat to Republican Mitt Romney.

The Virginia State Board of Elections ruled Tuesday that Goode's name should appear of the state ballot in November. Goode turned in about 20,000 signatures, twice the legal requirement, in late August to qualify for the fall election.

But the state board also called for Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli to widen the scope of an investigation that began last month into Goode's petitions based on a challenge from the Republican Party of Virginia in a letter dated last Thursday. The 28-page document alleges Goode and two of his top signature gatherers committed widespread fraud; it claims they collected more signatures from more parts of the state than possible in a single day.

Republicans successfully pushed the Constitution Party off the ballot in Pennsylvania, another swing state and the home of Goode's running mate.

"It's ludicrous," Goode said. "It's a huge effort to squelch anyone who doesn't toe the Romney line."

So what were you saying?

 

[FindLiberty]

No problem then because he won't be President. But he might stick it to the two-headed beast a bit.

video: I think Gary held his own well enough. The interviewer comes across as an ass, especially with his constantly telling Gary he's wrong "because hardcore libertarians think this or that." Not everyone is a "hardcore" libertarian or reads "hardcore" libertarian authors.

I think people bashing GJ a lot for this interview should reconsider. Gary's obviously not as well-read as Ron, (who is?), but the interviewer was bashing him a lot for not being "hardcore."

If Gary gets on stage and says we should end Afghanistan tomorrow, end The Fed tomorrow, and balance the budget tomorrow, that's still three more things the other two bozos running for President won't say. I'll take that. Hell, I'll take even ONE of those.

I like all your points.

RP is not on the IL ballot. I don't like the fact there's no way to even count a write-in vote for Ron Paul in IL. It would not even show up as a protest vote! It would just be counted as a spoiled ballot!

I know the whole system sucks! When I was on the ballot running for LP Precinct Committeeman, the R's and D's co-conspired to hide all those ballots under the table on election day. I had to beg for one to vote for myself. They just said, "Ooops, here they are" and then glared at me. So, with my single vote (1 of 2 votes cast), Illinois politics changed forever, well, not really since I wasn't even running against anyone else. I did win, but the war was already lost. Lessons learned that day: R's and D's are one and the same; choice is an illusion, and never try to spit directly into a spinning fan.

I can now spit in the general direction of the corrupt GOP and help the Libertarian party at the same time by voting for Johnson.

I hope they can reach the magic 5% (for the first time ever). I hope Ron Paul will express his take on the outcome of the debates (BO and MR both will promise more fiat inflation, more wars, more destructive tyrannical schemes and lies about jobs etc.).

Then, Unless Ron Paul plans to run in 2016, he could endorse Johnson as the last best hope for America in this election cycle...

I hope determined NOBP "write-in" voters check their state's election rules first, to see if it will be more than just slightly therapeutic in their own minds. In some states, a Ron Paul write-in might get counted and reported; If true, I'd go for that as it's the best choice possible!

Stefbot's got a good point: If you think you can make your slave masters set you free by simply making a mark on a _ _ piece of paper, you're delusional.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

There didn't seem to be this much venom directed at Barr/Root. Then again, maybe that hoax helped to create the current situation; i.e. won't get fooled again by pseudo-libertarians. Hmmm, maybe this had something to do with Root's recent departure from the party?

 

[thequietkid10]

This interview is a fucking train wreck. The man knows less than 90% of the people on these forums.

He does have a good freedom loving spirit and props for that, but he has zero grasp of the philosophy or economics.

He's a hell of a lot better then Romney, Obama or Bob Barr...

 

[TAnn]

Wrong. Virgil Goode is the guy we all need to vote for to show that we don't support interventionism and humanitarian wars.

Wrong. If you think that Johnson has no chance; Virgil Goode has even less chance than that! No one has even heard of Virgil Goode, at this point anyone named Virgil is not even on the radar. Let's get serious; we all want to defeat Robamney and the only person that is even in our ballpark and has name recognition and is on the ballot in all 50 states is Gary Johnson. He is the only person that we could all get behind and have any chance of defeating Robamney. If we all continue to argue over how perfect Gary is or isn't and we don't unite we WE WILL LOOSE IN NOVEMBER AND THE CONSTITUTION WILL BE DEAD! This is too important for us to continue to act like spoiled babies. SNAP OUT OF IT.

 

[Nathan Hale]

There didn't seem to be this much venom directed at Barr/Root.

Exactly. Gary has been an LP darling since he was in office, as was Ron Paul back when nobody knew who he was. However once Gary decided to run for President, a certain vocal minority got offended and tried to bury him.

Then again, maybe that hoax helped to create the current situation; i.e. won't get fooled again by pseudo-libertarians. Hmmm, maybe this had something to do with Root's recent departure from the party?

That's the wrong message to take away. The best thing that ever happened to the LP was their decision to stop being a debate society and start being a political party. Their problem was that they got taken by Barr. It shouldn't dissuade them from seeking out people who can communicate with the overton window rather than philosophically-sound but practically-retarded candidates who appeal to the randroid ancap core of the party but alienate the plurality of the population who would self-identify as libertarian if the party gave them half a chance and some measure of credit.

 

[specsaregood]

Wrong. If you think that Johnson has no chance; Virgil Goode has even less chance than that! No one has even heard of Virgil Goode, at this point anyone named Virgil is not even on the radar. Let's get serious; we all want to defeat Robamney and the only person that is even in our ballpark and has name recognition and is on the ballot in all 50 states is Gary Johnson. He is the only person that we could all get behind and have any chance of defeating Robamney. If we all continue to argue over how perfect Gary is or isn't and we don't unite we WE WILL LOOSE IN NOVEMBER AND THE CONSTITUTION WILL BE DEAD! This is too important for us to continue to act like spoiled babies. SNAP OUT OF IT.

LMAO, i realize that neither johnson or goode have a chance. I'm talking about a protest vote and I prefer my protest vote not to go towards somebody who thinks americans should go after Kony.

 

[Revolution9]

I don't need no f*cking leader. That is why I support Ron Paul. He gets that. This Rockefeller shill GJ doesn't and his handlers that sent him in to do this don't either. They are utterly confused when confronted with real principles just like these GJ clowns BUZZING RPF WITH THEIR DIRT BOMBS AND FAULTY LOGIC CIRCUIT BOARDS just don't get it either.They think the game is to pee all over the major parties legs and that is gonna alter the course of this coming maelstrom. To give away your sovereignity for such a petty and baleful reason is just ludicrous..like most everything considered cultural and social on this god forsaken watery rock in the middle of unpopulated nowheresville.

Rev9

 

[TheTexan]

I don't need no f*cking leader. That is why I support Ron Paul. He gets that. This Rockefeller shill GJ doesn't and his handlers that sent him in to do this don't either. They are utterly confused when confronted with real principles just like these GJ clowns BUZZING RPF WITH THEIR DIRT BOMBS AND FAULTY LOGIC CIRCUIT BOARDS just don't get it either.They think the game is to pee all over the major parties legs and that is gonna alter the course of this coming maelstrom. To give away your sovereignity for such a petty and baleful reason is just ludicrous..like most everything considered cultural and social on this god forsaken watery rock in the middle of unpopulated nowheresville.

Rev9

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