Gary Johnson Disputes Rand Paul’s Libertarian Cred

No, I haven't. Only from many here who insist that he is, equal to Ron, etc. But, no, I've never heard Rand say that himself. I've pointed out that he denied it, in fact.

Why on earth would they? They were running to win the REPUBLICAN nomination. Remember when the media called Ron "libertarian" as an insult; to sever Republican support from his candidacy?
 
I have no respect for Gary Johnson since he made a mockery of the Libertarian debates by kissing John McAfee on the cheek. If he's not serious he needs to get off the stage.
 
No, I haven't. Only from many here who insist that he is, equal to Ron, etc. But, no, I've never heard Rand say that himself. I've pointed out that he denied it, in fact.


There is an obvious reason he doesn't call himself a libertarian. There are no libertarians. It is a non-existent voting bloc. Most people have no idea what a libertarian is. And those who have some idea, have a a negative opinion of the word. Rand is from Kentucky. Southern cultural conservatives associate libertarianism with drug use and prostitution. It makes no political sense. Ron Paul sure didn't call himself a libertarian when he was trying to get back into Congress. He was a meat and potatoes fiscal conservative trying to be part of Republican revolution that started in 1994.

As far as Rand's libertarian cred, he is more solidly libertarian on entitlements and the role of the courts than Ron. Those are my two big issues. Rand is more hawkish than Ron. But I am more hawkish than both Ron and Rand. So that doesn't bother me personally but it is perfectly reasonable to see how people would interchange the two depending what issues are important to them. They are both libertarians using the dictionary definition of the word.
 
There is an obvious reason he doesn't call himself a libertarian. There are no libertarians. It is a non-existent voting bloc. Most people have no idea what a libertarian is. And those who have some idea, have a a negative opinion of the word. Rand is from Kentucky. Southern cultural conservatives associate libertarianism with drug use and prostitution. It makes no political sense. Ron Paul sure didn't call himself a libertarian when he was trying to get back into Congress. He was a meat and potatoes fiscal conservative trying to be part of Republican revolution that started in 1994.

As far as Rand's libertarian cred, he is more solidly libertarian on entitlements and the role of the courts than Ron. Those are my two big issues. Rand is more hawkish than Ron. But I am more hawkish than both Ron and Rand. So that doesn't bother me personally but it is perfectly reasonable to see how people would interchange the two depending what issues are important to them. They are both libertarians using the dictionary definition of the word.

"We do have some differences and our approaches will be different, but that makes him his own person. I mean why should he [Rand] be a clone and do everything and think just exactly as I have. I think it's an opportunity to be independent minded. We are about 99% [the same on issues]." -- Ron Paul
 
So, in your eyes, it's all about the political party? Interesting.
No, obviously not, since I've crossed over political parties many times to vote for Ron. That's a pretty silly statement since you probably know that.

Why on earth would they? They were running to win the REPUBLICAN nomination. Remember when the media called Ron "libertarian" as an insult; to sever Republican support from his candidacy?
You see that as an insult. I don't, and not sure that Ron would either since he ran for POTUS as an LP candidate in 1988.
 
Yeah he is. I actually think he made a good point, kind of ironic though considering the Trump/Rudy love affair.

That's just one example. You don't get to say that GJ carries himself in too lowbrow of a manner to get your support for president and then turn around and support the guy who exemplifies that very complaint every time he's in public.
 
No, obviously not, since I've crossed over political parties many times to vote for Ron. That's a pretty silly statement since you probably know that.
You were bashing Rand for saying he wasn't a libertarian. What is so special about that label? Do you elect a label or a person? By the way, he was also running for the REPUBLICAN nomination; not Libertarian.

You see that as an insult. I don't, and not sure that Ron would either since he ran for POTUS as an LP candidate in 1988.
:rolleyes: What is so hard about this for you? Ron was trying to get the nomination of the Republican Party. Most REPUBLICANS want to nominate a REPUBLICAN; not someone from another political party. Which is why the media kept trying to slap the libertarian label on him. Get it now?
 
That's just one example. You don't get to say that GJ carries himself in too lowbrow of a manner to get your support for president and then turn around and support the guy who exemplifies that very complaint every time he's in public.

Ok. That would also mean that you no longer can criticize Trump, if you are promoting the POS Johnson, with his CFR traitor choice of VP.
 
You were bashing Rand for saying he wasn't a libertarian. What is so special about that label? Do you elect a label or a person? By the way, he was also running for the REPUBLICAN nomination; not Libertarian.


:rolleyes: What is so hard about this for you? Ron was trying to get the nomination of the Republican Party. Most REPUBLICANS want to nominate a REPUBLICAN; not someone from another political party. Which is why the media kept trying to slap the libertarian label on him. Get it now?
Don't lecture me about Rand. You lost that now when you ran over to the Trump camp.
 
Ok. That would also mean that you no longer can criticize Trump, if you are promoting the POS Johnson, with his CFR traitor choice of VP.

No it doesn't mean that. Because Trump is worse than Johnson, in every way as far as I can tell.
 
Yeah, I've read about [Harry Browne] before. He sounded like a great candidate.

And yet, it is my recollection that there were controversies around him, in particular after his second run. They revolved around allegations of self-dealing, in effect running for personal profit.

In any case, his book How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World is a great read and instructive, if you can find it.
 
No it doesn't mean that. Because Trump is worse than Johnson, in every way as far as I can tell.

Yeah, it does. If you are going to assert this:

That's just one example. You don't get to say that GJ carries himself in too lowbrow of a manner to get your support for president and then turn around and support the guy who exemplifies that very complaint every time he's in public.
 
Then stop saying things that require it.


lol. As opposed to you, I supported Rand the entire time he ran.
Um, no you didn't. You were cheerleading Trump when it counted the most...since last summer.

P.S. Nothing I say requires anything from you.
 
What are you guys talking about, regarding Ron not being a capital-L libertarian? Ron is a lifelong member of the party, continues to mention he may well vote for the LP in this very cycle, etc., etc. He has said many times there is no sacredness to parties and believes you can be a member of more than one party. To understand Ron's political career, is to understand (among other things) he identifies as a capital L libertarian. That's just a fact. And that doesn't mean he'll endorse the LP candidate, either. For example in 2008, Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin, not Bob Barr, but remained a member of the LP.
 
Regarding two time LP Presidential nominee Harry Browne, here is what Ron Paul had to say about him:

A Tribute to the Late Harry Browne

Before the US House of Representatives, March 30, 2006

Mr. Speaker, America lost a great champion of liberty when Harry Browne passed away on March 1, at the age of 72. Harry had a passion for liberty and knowledge of a wide variety of subjects. His communication style, as he himself so marvelously put it, focused on converting his opponents rather than winning the argument. These attributes helped make him one of the most effective proponents of the freedom philosophy I have had the privilege of knowing. Harry’s numerous books and columns, his radio and internet broadcasts, and his speeches educated millions in sound economics and the benefits of a free society. Harry motivated many people to become activists in the movement to restore American liberties.

Harry first came to public attention in the 1970 when he penned a best-selling investment book, How You Can Profit From the Coming Devaluation, which foresaw President Richard Nixon’s abandonment of the gold standard and the ways the American economy would be damaged by the inevitable resulting inflation. Harry’s book helped many Americans survive, and even profit, during the economic troubles of the seventies. It also introduced millions of people to the insights developed by followers of the Austrian school of economics regarding the dangers fiat currency poses to both prosperity and liberty. How You Can Profit From the Coming Devaluation is generally recognized as the founding document of the hard money movement, which combined the insights of the Austrian economists with a practical investment strategy.

Harry’s third book, You Can Profit from a Monetary Crisis, reached number one on the New York Times bestseller list. Other popular books by Harry include How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World, The Great Libertarian Offer, and Why Government Doesn’t Work. I was pleased to write the foreword for one of Harry’s books, Liberty A-Z: Libertarian Soundbites You Can Use Right Now, a collection of direct, thought-provoking, and often humorous responses to the questions advocates of the freedom philosophy face.

During the nineties, Harry worked to advance liberty as a presidential candidate, columnist, and radio talk-show host. He also hosted an internet-based talk show and founded DownsizeDC, a grassroots advocacy group whose goals are accurately summed up in its title. Even while struggling with Lou Gehrig’s disease, Harry maintained a full schedule of writing, hosting his radio show, and speaking around the country.

Harry’s efforts were not limited to the economic realm. He understood the threat to liberty and prosperity posed by global crusades for democracy, as well as the importance of opposing restrictions on civil liberties. Harry’s outspoken defense of civil liberties and the Framers’ foreign policy of nonintervention took on added importance in the last years of his life. Unlike many self-styled advocates of liberty, Harry Browne never attempted to curry favor with the political establishment by focusing solely on issues of economic liberty. He never combined advocacy of low taxes and regulations with active support for militarism and restrictions on personal liberty.

In all his educational, financial, and political work Harry served as a model for everyone who works for the free society. Harry was principled and uncompromising in message, while temperate and respectful of differing opinions in delivery. He avoided the histrionics too common in today’s talk show culture, and he never personalized his arguments. Even when an opponent resorted to ad hominem attacks, Harry always kept his presentation on the high ground of ideas and principles. In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I extend my sympathy to Harry Browne’s wife, Pamela, and daughter Autumn, as well as the many he befriended in his years in the freedom movement. I pay tribute to Harry Browne for his lifelong efforts on behalf of individual liberty.

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
 
Ron Paul is the most well know lifetime member of the Libertarian Party in the history of the party and continues to identify with the party. I don't understand how anyone, esp. on Ron Paul Forums, could believe otherwise.
 
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