Gaps in the Ron Paul campaign?

Lethalmiko, while I think you make a very compelling argument with the points you discussed, what I don't think you (fully) realize is that the campaign simply does not have the money or resources to attack the MSM and the other candidates in the way you think they should.

If I were the campaign (and it may be a good thing I'm not!), I would pour every last penny into winning South Carolina. If Paul wins SC, he will win the nomination--"The Resistance" will have been defeated, the floodgates will open, he will be a "credible contender" and people won't "have to" vote for Romney anymore. Then the money will pour in as well.

If it doesn't work, and he does not win SC, then he almost certainly won't win the nomination anyway. Delegates won't even be an issue once Romney is "anointed" as the nominee and starts getting 80% of the vote and winning every winner-take-all state. Look at '08, it happened with McCain.
 
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I agree strongly the campaign or revpac needs ads showing that Ron Paul does better then all other candidates in head to head polls against Obama, with the exception of Romney. Also that he is within the margin of error to Romney. I believe New Hampshire exit polling showed that electibility was the number one issue for many people, maybe 35%, and amongst those people Romney absolutly CRUSHED the competition. We can not afford to lose so many votes to this, the truth needs to be exposed.
 
I agree strongly the campaign or revpac needs ads showing that Ron Paul does better then all other candidates in head to head polls against Obama, with the exception of Romney. Also that he is within the margin of error to Romney. I believe New Hampshire exit polling showed that electibility was the number one issue for many people, maybe 35%, and amongst those people Romney absolutly CRUSHED the competition. We can not afford to lose so many votes to this, the truth needs to be exposed.

Yes, one poll out recently said 50% of SC voters say electability is their #1 issue!
 
All 21 of your posts have been absolute hogwash trying to tear down the Ron Paul campaign. You think Ron Paul has unlimited time and resources and is therefore doing everything wrong. He has some really great people working in his campaign. Does that mean they will do everything right, and perfectly timed for the greatest effect? No, but these 21 posts of yours contribute absolutely nothing. Noone at these forums has the inside track to the campaigns stategy, or the ability to change what the campaign is doing. So you are just bouncing shit off a brick wall with these questions.

If you have ever worked on a presidential campaign, if you have any reputable contacts in politics and campaigning, if you aren't just a nobody with a lot of time on his hands to criticize people for enjoyment, maybe you'd contact the campaign directly and get your questions answered for real instead of coming here to post your bull shit.
 
BTW, I checked out the advert on electability by the Santa Rita SuperPac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_UfB9EzhKA) but in my view it is useless. It just rehashes Ron Paul's rather weak argument that he is electable because he has been elected 12 times to congress. The one-on-one head-to-head matchup polls pitting Obama against Paul and against Romney are the most convincing argument but the Paul campaign is not using them in any sort of effective, visible and vigorous way. Why???

At least they tried, but yes it was executed poorly. They even threw the 1 poll's numbers in at the very end but it was too fast and short.

I think they need to lead up front with the 50-50 one-on-one poll numbers and then show the pompous ass Carl Cameron. And then make a logical deduction as to why on earth Carl Cameron would want to ignore the facts.
 
I'm getting my PhD in Psychology and also have bachelor's in business that included marketing classes. Maybe they should just let me work for them. :p
 
All 21 of your posts have been absolute hogwash trying to tear down the Ron Paul campaign. You think Ron Paul has unlimited time and resources and is therefore doing everything wrong. He has some really great people working in his campaign. Does that mean they will do everything right, and perfectly timed for the greatest effect? No, but these 21 posts of yours contribute absolutely nothing. Noone at these forums has the inside track to the campaigns stategy, or the ability to change what the campaign is doing. So you are just bouncing shit off a brick wall with these questions.

If you have ever worked on a presidential campaign, if you have any reputable contacts in politics and campaigning, if you aren't just a nobody with a lot of time on his hands to criticize people for enjoyment, maybe you'd contact the campaign directly and get your questions answered for real instead of coming here to post your bull shit.

When I saw that new Electability ad come out yesterday with the poll numbers at the end I thought, "Hmm, maybe the a super-pac is listening to people like Lethalmiko make constructive criticisms and suggestions".
 
I hate to say it, but a big part of professional campaigning is negativity. You try to find the right combination of getting people to support you but not the other guy(s). There's nothing wrong with being skeptical, but let's root this discussion in the strategy.

The grand strategy seems to be to reduce this race to a two-man race between Paul and Romney. The purpose of the strategy is to eliminate anyone who could be construed as any sort of conservative alternative being able to oppose Mitt besides Ron, setting up the most favorable matchup for someone who has views that don't mesh well with traditional concerns of much of this party. The method they have chosen is delegate maximization, focusing on smaller states and making their relative lack of money compared to Romney but superior ground support into an asset.

Is it enough to win? We'll see, but like in poker, you play the hand you have. The reason you don't attack Romney for as long as you can is because you need him to be the alternative, precisely because of his weaknesses. In a race with more than two people, the deal will be cut between the two others as there is no ideological constraint, so Paul can't blast away full barrel until the others are pushed out.

The reward is that a two way race makes Paul look good on a majority of issues, including economic issues where he fits well with most Republicans. The risk is that he will be ignored after SC and FL if he hangs on alone. He can avoid that if he does two things: keep Romney close in SC, and win some caucuses between FL and Super Tuesday.

At that point, two factors out of the campaign's control will come into play. Factor #1 is the decision that will ultimately have to be made by the anyone but Mitt crowd if they'll support Paul, like those evangelical leaders, which would be a gamechanger. Factor #2 is whether or not the media covers this in a way that makes this a race. If there are four debates between Romney and Paul, alone, in February, that makes a huge difference as opposed to just saying he is the heir presumptive.

The campaign, as best I can tell, is doing everything they can to create this situation. In the worst case scenario, they will maximize their delegates. In the best case scenario, the GOP shows buyer's remorse on Romney and Paul pulls it out when he launches the attack on why Mitt is not only unelectable, but unconservative.
 
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If I were the campaign ... I would pour every last penny into winning South Carolina. If Paul wins SC, he will win the nomination... If it doesn't work, and he does not win SC, then he almost certainly won't win the nomination anyway. Delegates won't even be an issue once Romney is "anointed" as the nominee and starts getting 80% of the vote and winning every winner-take-all state. Look at '08, it happened with McCain.
Almost exactly one of the points I made a few posts earlier.

All 21 of your posts have been absolute hogwash trying to tear down the Ron Paul campaign. You think Ron Paul has unlimited time and resources and is therefore doing everything wrong. He has some really great people working in his campaign. Does that mean they will do everything right, and perfectly timed for the greatest effect? No, but these 21 posts of yours contribute absolutely nothing. Noone at these forums has the inside track to the campaigns stategy, or the ability to change what the campaign is doing. So you are just bouncing shit off a brick wall with these questions.

If you have ever worked on a presidential campaign, if you have any reputable contacts in politics and campaigning, if you aren't just a nobody with a lot of time on his hands to criticize people for enjoyment, maybe you'd contact the campaign directly and get your questions answered for real instead of coming here to post your bull shit.
I will not waste time arguing with you because you are being irrational (or dishonest). If you had read and understood my first 21 posts in detail, you would not have posted this.

When I saw that new Electability ad come out yesterday with the poll numbers at the end I thought, "Hmm, maybe the a super-pac is listening to people like Lethalmiko make constructive criticisms and suggestions".
Do you have a link to the advert?

The grand strategy seems to be to reduce this race to a two-man race between Paul and Romney. The purpose of the strategy is to eliminate anyone who could be construed as any sort of conservative alternative being able to oppose Mitt besides Ron, setting up the most favorable matchup for someone who has views that don't mesh well with traditional concerns of much of this party. The method they have chosen is delegate maximization, focusing on smaller states and making their relative lack of money compared to Romney but superior ground support into an asset.

Is it enough to win? We'll see, but like in poker, you play the hand you have. The reason you don't attack Romney for as long as you can is because you need him to be the alternative, precisely because of his weaknesses. In a race with more than two people, the deal will be cut between the two others as there is no ideological constraint, so Paul can't blast away full barrel until the others are pushed out.

The reward is that a two way race makes Paul look good on a majority of issues, including economic issues where he fits well with most Republicans. The risk is that he will be ignored after SC and FL if he hangs on alone. He can avoid that if he does two things: keep Romney close in SC, and win some caucuses between FL and Super Tuesday.

At that point, two factors out of the campaign's control will come into play. Factor #1 is the decision that will ultimately have to be made by the anyone but Mitt crowd if they'll support Paul, like those evangelical leaders, which would be a gamechanger. Factor #2 is whether or not the media covers this in a way that makes this a race. If there are four debates between Romney and Paul, alone, in February, that makes a huge difference as opposed to just saying he is the heir presumptive.

The campaign, as best I can tell, is doing everything they can to create this situation. In the worst case scenario, they will maximize their delegates. In the best case scenario, the GOP shows buyer's remorse on Romney and Paul pulls it out when he launches the attack on why Mitt is not only unelectable, but unconservative.
You need to answer the question I have raised several times. What good is this strategy if Romney keeps chalking up wins in the process and becomes the inevitable nominee? He already has two in the bag and is currently leading in both SC and FL in the polls and the Paul campaign won't touch him or make the electability argument with clear aggressive new ads. This looks to me more and more like a recipe for suicide.
 
BTW, I checked out the advert on electability by the Santa Rita SuperPac (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_UfB9EzhKA) but in my view it is useless. It just rehashes Ron Paul's rather weak argument that he is electable because he has been elected 12 times to congress. The one-on-one head-to-head matchup polls pitting Obama against Paul and against Romney are the most convincing argument but the Paul campaign is not using them in any sort of effective, visible and vigorous way. Why???

FWIW, most of Santa Rita's ads relate to electability in one way or another. They're really hammering the point.
 
Bump. The OP's concerns need to be addressed by the campaign.

This shit is spot on and anyone serious about actually winning would respect it.

With that said the elders of this forum need to step up and respond here.
 
I need someone who knows better to explain some things to me.

1. Why has the Paul campaign not yet put out a TV advert that debunks the "unelectable" myth with polls showing the head-to-head matchups with Obama? In IA and NH, many voters chose Romney precisely because they falsely believe he has the best chance against Obama. So why has the campaign apparently not addressed this issue aggressively when it is clearly hurting Ron Paul?

2. Does the Paul campaign have Physchologists in its ranks? Why isn't the campaign waging its own "positive propaganda" war?

3. Why has the media largely been given a pass when they demagogue in interviews? Why doesn't Dr Paul and his surrogates hit them aggressively by saying things like "that is complete rubbish" or "that is a bare-faced lie"? The media should be challenged on every silly question or comment they bring up. I feel terrible when I see an interviewer inserting lies and innuendos without being taken to task over it. On Morning Joe, RP at least made a good effort but he needs to hit harder like the interview where he cut off the interviewer over the 911 conspiracy theories. It feels like the Paul campaign is fighting with kid gloves and it annoys me to no end, considering what is at stake.

4. Why isn't the Paul campaign using Ben Swann's "Reality Check" to put to rest the racist newsletter stuff? Why aren't his supporters using it either? It keeps coming up in many articles and I rarely see in the comments RP supporters referencing Swann (I am one of the few who has done it).

5. Do Paul supporters ever write directly to the journalists who write trash to calmly challenge them with facts? Most journalists complain that RP supporters write them hate-mail.

6. Is there a campaign to phone in to news stations over biased reporting and mis-representations? If there is, how come I never see retractions or acknowledgments, except when Wolf Blitzer asked Ron Paul to explain the difference between "isolationist" and "non-interventionist" (he said he gets hammered by Ron Paul supporters)?

7. Why has the Paul campaign apparently failed to clearly and precisely show that a vote for Romney is as good as a vote for Obama?

8. Why isn't the link between Romney and the corrupt bankers not being fully exploited?
1. I do think they should put out a spot that gets the heavily-suppressed fact that Ron Paul polls better against Obama than any other candidate aside, sometimes, from Romney. Remember that they do have limited funds and limited airtime to get points across, and have apparently prioritized certain other topics above this one; I hope such an ad will soon be forthcoming.

3. Personalized aggressiveness really isn't Ron Paul's style, and lashing out in what would be perceived as an ill-tempered fashion could actually hurt his image in the eyes of much of the public. However, Dr. Paul and his "surrogates" have occasionally stood up and said "enough" to the media, as when Dana Bash was busily demagoguing to him the other day about the supposed "lost voter" who was upset she didn't get to speak to him, and he informed her that it was the media's fault for swamping the diner and crowding out the actual public he was supposed to be meeting, while Jesse Benton interceded to declare that these were "junky questions."

4. Swann's piece doesn't really prove anything; it's interesting, but I don't think it would be a great idea to tout something as circumstantial as the case Swann makes as gospel. I actually think that Pete Larson's recent textual analysis of some of the newsletter articles as compared with known writings of Ron Paul amounts to far better evidence that Dr. Paul is not the author of the newsletters, especially seeing how Larson opposes Ron Paul's candidacy and is openly disparaging of the good Dr. himself. See here: http://peterslarson.com/2012/01/08/...aul-newsletters-through-text-analysis-part-3/
The campaign probably hasn't picked up on this because it's an unofficial study done on a website which is not exceptionally prominent.

5. I have responded with facts in messages directly to one or two journalists before, and I think many Ron Paul supporters do; said yellow journalists simply prefer to emphasize the flamers.

6. Oh, our people most definitely phone and write in when Ron Paul is misrepresented, and we have obtained retractions before, such as when Fox News dishonestly disparaged Dr. Paul's CPAC win last year by playing the (much-more-negative) audience response from the year before instead of from that very event, prompting Ron Paul supporters to phone in and gain a retraction. Likewise, after an MSNBC article recently quoted Ron Paul as saying the country was "better off with Jim Crow laws" when he had actually said the exact opposite- that it was "better off without Jim Crow laws"- the supporters' reaction was strong enough to prompt them to amend the text and add a note about the "mistake."

7-8. I certainly hope they'll be going after Romney very soon; it seems they're biding their time, trying to knock off the other candidates and then take on Romney mono-a-mono.
 
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I need someone who knows better to explain some things to me.

1. Why has the Paul campaign not yet put out a TV advert that debunks the "unelectable" myth with polls showing the head-to-head matchups with Obama? In IA and NH, many voters chose Romney precisely because they falsely believe he has the best chance against Obama. So why has the campaign apparently not addressed this issue aggressively when it is clearly hurting Ron Paul?

Good question. I agree that they should do this.

2. Does the Paul campaign have Physchologists in its ranks? Why isn't the campaign waging its own "positive propaganda" war?

I'm not sure if I understand this question, but I think you may have an inflated opinion of psychology.

3. Why has the media largely been given a pass when they demagogue in interviews? Why doesn't Dr Paul and his surrogates hit them aggressively by saying things like "that is complete rubbish" or "that is a bare-faced lie"? The media should be challenged on every silly question or comment they bring up. I feel terrible when I see an interviewer inserting lies and innuendos without being taken to task over it. On Morning Joe, RP at least made a good effort but he needs to hit harder like the interview where he cut off the interviewer over the 911 conspiracy theories. It feels like the Paul campaign is fighting with kid gloves and it annoys me to no end, considering what is at stake.

He has been doing that more. A candidate can only do that so much, and frankly Rand's approach of subtly bypassing criticism is better.

4. Why isn't the Paul campaign using Ben Swann's "Reality Check" to put to rest the racist newsletter stuff? Why aren't his supporters using it either? It keeps coming up in many articles and I rarely see in the comments RP supporters referencing Swann (I am one of the few who has done it).

This would not help, at least not by the campaign. Individuals can use their own judgment depending on the conversation and there you do have a good point.

I tend to think the campaign handled the newsletter issue very well. I think a lot of people do not have a good idea of how political correctness or a hostile media works in this country. There is no fairness and no appeasing them, the only thing stopping the media is the sense that people feel the issue has been beaten to death and there is no longer a story. Ron sticking to his message clearly was the best thing he could do.

5. Do Paul supporters ever write directly to the journalists who write trash to calmly challenge them with facts? Most journalists complain that RP supporters write them hate-mail.

All of the time, but of course it will almost always be typified as hate mail rather than "brought facts clearly to my attention." I do think that some of the criticisms of Ron Paul supporters are warranted, such as there being overzealous in slight criticisms of Ron, but it is a mass movement, and you can not fully police that. It is what it is, and I am grateful that depth of support exists.

6. Is there a campaign to phone in to news stations over biased reporting and mis-representations? If there is, how come I never see retractions or acknowledgments, except when Wolf Blitzer asked Ron Paul to explain the difference between "isolationist" and "non-interventionist" (he said he gets hammered by Ron Paul supporters)?

If we were more focused/organized on stuff like this, I would bet we'd get a lot more retractions. Very good point.

7. Why has the Paul campaign apparently failed to clearly and precisely show that a vote for Romney is as good as a vote for Obama?

The Paul campaign is going easy on Romney, to the point where some have described it looking like a coalition between the two. There are very good reasons for this. The campaign knows they can beat Romney one on one, the point is to get there and focus on getting everyone else out of the race first as soon as possible. Romney doing well actually helps us in the short term, so long as we keep getting in the top two places and building our support. Nobody in the media really understands this. Our goal should be to beat all the other conservatives, and then go full bore on Mitt. It's an unconventional campaign strategy that a more conventional candidate could not pull off.

8. Why isn't the link between Romney and the corrupt bankers not being fully exploited?

See answer above. While individuals can do this, now is not the time to go after Romney full bore. It would be far better to obliterate candidates like Gingrich, Santorum, and Perry in South Carolina, and start the process of sending them home as soon as possible.

You could have added to your list an ad about seniors. A 30 second ad showing that Ron would not touch Social Security, but would cut just about everything else in the government to make sure we can fulfill our obligations there is probably the biggest gap in the campaign. Seniors should love Ron Paul, and they need to be reached via TV.

Another gap is an ad on defense. Hazek did a good post on this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?349693-OPEN-LETTER-TO-THE-CAMPAIGN

There are a lot of gaps, but those two are pretty egregious, as is your first suggestion about an electability ad. Overall, we have one of the shrewdest campaigns of any candidate, but mistakes have been made. As they always are.
 
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I just sent a message to the Revolution Super PAC from their website (http://www.revolutionpac.com/). Excerpt of my message to the PAC:

"Exit polls from IA and NH show that a third of voters think electability is the most important issue, which probably explains why Romney won both states. SC initial poling shows similar patterns. The Paul campaign has not put out a clear aggressive ad showing he is electable by using the head-to-head matchup polls pitting Obama against Paul and Romney. I suggest that you guys do it urgently and I believe that it is the greatest single move that will significantly turn the tide in SC and beyond."
 
I do think they should put out a spot that gets the heavily-suppressed fact that Ron Paul polls better against Obama than any other candidate aside, sometimes, from Romney. Remember that they do have limited funds and limited airtime to get points across, and have apparently prioritized certain other topics above this one; I hope such an ad will soon be forthcoming.
Agreed.

Swann's piece doesn't really prove anything; it's interesting, but I don't think it would be a great idea to tout something as circumstantial as the case Swann makes as gospel. I actually think that Pete Larson's recent textual analysis of some of the newsletter articles as compared with known writings of Ron Paul amounts to far better evidence that Dr. Paul is not the author of the newsletters, especially seeing how Larson opposes Ron Paul's candidacy and is openly disparaging of the good Dr. himself. See here: http://peterslarson.com/2012/01/08/...aul-newsletters-through-text-analysis-part-3/. The campaign probably hasn't picked up on this because it's an unofficial study done on a website which is not exceptionally prominent.
Swann proves that Powell wrote at least ONE of the offending articles and it is possible he wrote more.

I have responded with facts in messages directly to one or two journalists before, and I think many Ron Paul supporters do; said yellow journalists simply prefer to emphasize the flamers.
Great. Keep it up.

Oh, our people most definitely phone and write in when Ron Paul is misrepresented, and we have obtained retractions before, such as when Fox News dishonestly disparaged Dr. Paul's CPAC win last year by playing the (much-more-negative) audience response from the year before instead of from that very event, prompting Ron Paul supporters to phone in and gain a retraction. Likewise, after an MSNBC article recently quoted Ron Paul as saying the country was "better off with Jim Crow laws" when he had actually said the exact opposite- that it was "better off without Jim Crow laws"- the supporters' reaction was strong enough to prompt them to amend the text and add a note about the "mistake."
Glad to read this.

I'm not sure if I understand this question, but I think you may have an inflated opinion of psychology.
I explained in more detail a few posts earlier. Never underestimate psychological manipulation and propaganda. Obama was elected partly due to this.

I tend to think the campaign handled the newsletter issue very well. I think a lot of people do not have a good idea of how political correctness or a hostile media works in this country. There is no fairness and no appeasing them, the only thing stopping the media is the sense that people feel the issue has been beaten to death and there is no longer a story. Ron sticking to his message clearly was the best thing he could do.
I partially agree but the media will not let this easily go. Even if they no longer talk about it in great detail, they keep throwing in a sentence or two referring to "Ron Paul's racist newsletters" so I think addressing it head-on is a better strategy.

The Paul campaign is going easy on Romney, to the point where some have described it looking like a coalition between the two. There are very good reasons for this. The campaign knows they can beat Romney one on one, the point is to get there and focus on getting everyone else out of the race first as soon as possible. Romney doing well actually helps us in the short term, so long as we keep getting in the top two places and building our support. Nobody in the media really understands this. Our goal should be to beat all the other conservatives, and then go full bore on Mitt. It's an unconventional campaign strategy that a more conventional candidate could not pull off.... now is not the time to go after Romney full bore. It would be far better to obliterate candidates like Gingrich, Santorum, and Perry in South Carolina, and start the process of sending them home as soon as possible.
I disagree strongly for reasons I have explained earlier. No one including you has answered my point that going after Romney later on just consolidates his lead and makes it harder to beat him, especially in Winner-Take-All states.

You could have added to your list an ad about seniors. A 30 second ad showing that Ron would not touch Social Security, but would cut just about everything else in the government to make sure we can fulfill our obligations there is probably the biggest gap in the campaign. Seniors should love Ron Paul, and they need to be reached via TV. Another gap is an ad on defense. Hazek did a good post on this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?349693-OPEN-LETTER-TO-THE-CAMPAIGN. There are a lot of gaps, but those two are pretty egregious, as is your first suggestion about an electability ad. Overall, we have one of the shrewdest campaigns of any candidate, but mistakes have been made. As they always are.
Totally agreed.
 
Here is a possible "script" for an electability ad:
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ADVERT BEGIN

BIG VOICE:
They say Ron Paul is unelectable.
[Flash the word "Unelectable" on the screen across picture of Ron Paul. Play clips of pundits saying this. Flash pictures of articles with headlines showing this].

They say Romney is the only one who can beat Obama.
[Play clips of pundits saying this. Flash pictures of articles with headlines showing this].

They are dead wrong!
[Draw out the word "Wrong" for emphasis and flash the word across the screen in bold massive letters in capitals with a cross or no entry sign in front and a picture of a well known pundit in the background (Sean Hannity or Bill O'Reilly)]

The American people say otherwise.
[Graphic of polls of head-to-head matchups with Obama and Romney]

Ron Paul is in a statistical tie against Obama and rapidly gaining ground according to .... (insert names of two or three polls here)
[More polling graphics and clips from big news organizations, Fox & CNN especially]

Don't be fooled. Ron Paul beats president Obama with Independents and young voters. These are the groups who gave him the election in 2008. Ron Paul also beats Mitt Romney with independents. Romney cannot defeat Obama without independents.
[Pictures of Obama, Paul and Romney]

Most important of all, Ron Paul is the only one who brings in new voters who have been cured of their apathy.
[Picture of supporter holding a sign saying "Ron Paul cured my apathy"]

Ron Paul. The most electable candidate and only one who can restore America now!

ADVERT END
 
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Let me summarize and reiterate my key arguments which I hope someone will address soon.

1. All this effort to win the White House will come to NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING, if at least a third of voters still believe that Paul is unelectable going against Obama. No other argument will be able to persuade them (except the electability one) because they want to win and they believe that

a) Romney is stronger than Paul

b) Romney will be a better president than Obama

2. If Romney's current momentum is not arrested significantly BEFORE South Carolina, Ron Paul will have a next-to-impossible chance of winning thereafter.

3. A direct attack on Romney, while desirable, is not absolutely necessary but an aggressive campaign dealing with electability (point 1) is ABSOLUTELY AND TOTALLY CRITICAL. Voters must KNOW for a FACT that Paul is not only as strong as Romney but is infact a STRONGER candidate against Obama because of the Independent, Youth and Blue Republican vote.

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romacox, great videos. Now we need an ad!!!
 
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