Gangster Rap Video on RonPaul2008.com TOTALLY Inappropriate for Presidential Campaign

[nc4rp]

Please re-search the history of Hip-Hop, before it was hi-jacked by commercialization

As for calling the soldiers little? They are little... Little brains not heart that is...

You are being offensive. The soldiers are serving god and country with honor, its not their fault the military is misguided at the top.

And as far as hip hop he was making an opinion, and you should respect it, be a good example for Ron Paul. cmon

 

[justatrey]

I disagree that rap music is necessarily "trash music", however, I do agree with OP that this is a strategically stupid move for the official campaign to make.

Consider what the average American, or even worse the average Republican, might think about rap music. Forget your own open-mindedness and lack of stereotypes for a minute. At the very least it is considered immature and unprofessional, and this is not a good image to be presenting of our man. We all know what the other stereotypes are so I won't bother listing them.

Many of us do not understand just how extreme some people's beliefs in stereotypes are. My dad is a perfect example. I actually managed to convert my dad from a Huckabee supporter, but you might never guess why.

****HE LOST INTEREST IN HUCKABEE WHEN HE FOUND OUT HE WAS IN A ROCK BAND!****

My dad is 60 years old, a long-time conservate Republican, and a devout Christian. To many voters like my dad, rock = drugs, sex, tatoos, piercings, immorality, etc. After losing interest in Huckabee, I introduced him to Paul and he was attracted to him because he is Christian, conservative, pro-life, honest, etc.

My dad's thinking is extremely stereotypical and certainly not open-minded, but it is reality. Us younger voters need to keep this all in perspective. We're trying to nominate a Republican here.

If they want the traditional, conservative, older long-time voters (who actually show up on election day) to vote, I just don't understand the strategy of using rap videos. If my dad (or anyone else who thinks like he does) runs into it, we've just lost a vote.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Great song. I hope they keep it up and ignore any hate messages they get on it.

Hate messages? What Wayne said is the truth.

 

[LibertyEagle]

By the way, your second point is nitpicking. In every Ron Paul song, I can find something that someone may find objectionable.

Insulting our military is not a wise move. That is, if you care about winning the Republican nomination.

 

[voiceactivated]

Mr. Hammond - I agree with you 100%, and have contacted the Ron Paul HQ with my 2 cents worth of objections. The video is entirely unpresidential. There are dozens of inspirational videos out there that would have been better choices.

And for you bloggers under the age of 25, may I suggest that displaying good manners and using civil language are not signs of low self esteem? In fact, those are qualities that elevate human beings.

 

[Man from La Mancha]

Mr. Hammond - I agree with you 100%, and have contacted the Ron Paul HQ with my 2 cents worth of objections. The video is entirely unpresidential. There are dozens of inspirational videos out there that would have been better choices.

And for you bloggers under the age of 25, may I suggest that displaying good manners and using civil language are not signs of low self esteem? In fact, those are qualities that elevate human beings.

LOL, garbage mouths applies for all ages. I can't stand RAP,Country, or Metal but to each their own. And I'm glad they enjoy it, so it is good to appeal to a wide range, but with style.

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[LibertyEagle]

As for calling the soldiers little? They are little... Little brains not heart that is... I had this conversation with a bunch of off duty soldiers in a Dubai night-club... I told them that they were mercenaries working for a paycheck without realising it... When Ron Paul is in office, the integrity of the armed forces will be put back into shape... Until then, they are just bodyguards/henchmen/strongmen for a bunch coward neo-cons...

Well, let me say that I am glad you are not working in PR for the campaign. Because you would have driven off a large contingent of traditional conservatives by your statements above.

Insulting our military is not the wisest move on your part. (I am trying to be nice here).

 

[LibertyEagle]

The arguments put forth by the OP smack of the same 'guilt by association' that we get from a neo-nazi donation.

What in heck are you talking about?

Are you denying they talk about "little soldiers" in the video?

 

[LibertyEagle]

This comming from the same guy who belittles any newcomer on the forum if he disgrees with him. We know hwo you are wayne. We dont forget. I have and continue to have a reputation on this forum for supporting freedom to the point of supporting views that I hate. You on the other hand ridicule people, for example how you belittle the young man in the MLK donation day thread. Your tactics are to act intelligent until averybody is against you and then you belittle and insult.

Your post was racist. You assume that it is "gangster rap" which it isnt and proves that your postition is based on sterotype.

Racist? Based on what? Please don't come on here throwing that term around lightly, mtmedlin! Please backup your claim, or apologize.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Wow.. if I were Wayne Hammond I would probably be crying in a corner right now.

The people on this forum seem to have become much like a lynch mob. They are definitely exhibiting pile on behavior. It is rude and it is disgusting!

 

[dircha]

OK. Gangster rap is out. I don't like rap.

But I do like ABBA! Can we still have ABBA?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2srnz-sgGU&feature=related

Take a Chance on Ron Paul!

 

[LibertyEagle]

well i say then we dont need your support my goodness chill is there not anything else you can be worried about go hold a sign go help the soup kitchen but if this really bothers you that much I dont think you really understand the freedom message,. My goodness I still can be shocked about what some will bitch about in here when we have bigger issues.

Speak for yourself, Melissa. Wayne is a valued member of this forum. You may not realize it, but the campaign promoting a video that insults our military, will drive away older conservatives. That may sound stupid, but it is true. Hopefully, they won't see it, but if they do, they will question why Ron Paul has it on his website.

 

[DeadtoSin]

This wins the "retarded thread of the year" award. Seriously topic creator, why would you..?

*grumbles and walks away*

 

[robert4rp08]

Speak for yourself, Melissa. Wayne is a valued member of this forum. You may not realize it, but the campaign promoting a video that insults our military, will drive away older conservatives. That may sound stupid, but it is true. Hopefully, they won't see it, but if they do, they will question why Ron Paul has it on his website.

Been over this.... the "little soldiers" line is not used in the Vietnam-era way. It's all in context; try listening to the lyrics.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Nope Wayne, not everyone, but I do live by the simple rule. If someone stereotypes on a forum and it appears racist, and then several others agree, it seems a fair assumption. For your sake, I will assume that you are not a racist but just amazingly careless with your words.

So, mtmedlin, you basically believe in mob rule, eh? If a lot of people agree that it's ok to do something, then heck, it's ok to do it.

Then, you make the magnanimous statement that you will exempt Wayne from your ridiculous claim. How very big of you.

Perhaps you should stop throwing insults around so lightly, mtmedlin. It makes you appear rather ridiculous.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Been over this.... the "little soldiers" line is not used in the Vietnam-era way. It's all in context; try listening to the lyrics.

I did.

Look, this sounds like it is more of a generational thing. But Wayne is right that in the Vietnam era, calling a soldier, "little soldier", was an insult. Maybe these guys didn't know that. I don't know.

 

[Wayne Hammond]

After I write this post, I will ask the forum admins to move this thread (and the other one about my leaving the forums) to the Hot Topics sub forum, so that folks can focus on more important campaign issues here in Grassroots Central.

I appreciate the support, but I do think it is wisest for me to move on to other avenues of supporting Dr. Paul that do not make me so upset. (maybe it's just my personality - in any case it ain't good for the old "ticker" for me to get upset about it).

Thanks and see you at the polls!

Wayne Hammond

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[Lord Xar]

having a rap song on the front page of a presidential website is plain stupid.. just as it would to have a speed metal song. IF you think its cool, great - but thinking something is cool, in most cases, does not make for a good business decisions.

Also, MOST people are not gonna sit thru the WHOLE video deciphering the lyrics to see what the point is. They will look, think to themselves "wow, this is sorta unprofessional"... and get a negative impression. Even if a young person "likes" it - so what? You can get ALL voters without alienating others... to me, another foobar by the campaign. I mean, if they want to appear "urban" then get that one woman of color who is very well spoken and have her in a commercial. I mean c'mon.

 

[aksmith]

I am somewhat upset that the official campaign has chosen to spotlight the "gangster rap" music video "Rise, Consise, Krookid -Ron Paul 2008 - Original music vid" in their "Daily Updates" section of the www.RonPaul2008.com website.

First of all, in the minds of many Americans, this kind of rap music is associated with vulgar potty-mouth violent young street thugs who treat women like property, and refer to them as "hoes" and "b*tches". While that type of language is not in this particular video, that is the image that comes to the minds of many people when they watch this type of trash music.

Second, I am offended that in this video, it refers to servicemen & women as "little soldiers". For anyone in the military, the term "little soldier" is very derogatory and demeaning. The term itself suggests that a "little soldier" is like a child in their understanding of issues - and only pawns who do whatever their "masters" tell them. It is the equivalent of patting a soldier on the head and saying, "you poor little child - you really don't know what's going on". If you were to call a U.S. serviceman a "little soldier" to his face, he would likely punch your lights out.

Athough this video may be used to reach a certain element within the younger crowd and perhaps can be used by the grassroots, it should not be promoted by the official campaign. If we are trying to reach the conservative Republican base, this video will lose us more votes than most realize.

If you believe as I do, please go to the link below and contact the Official Campaign to let your opinions be known on this.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form

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Sorry to see the music video offended you. In fact, rap music is the worst kind of garbage I've ever heard. My kids listen to it, but it makes me want to throw up so I never watched the video or listened to the song. I suggest we're of a certain age, and rap music doesn't exactly reach across the divide. I'll take Steely Dan or the Dobbie Brothers or even Green Day and the Foo Fighters, but I'm 52 years old and the only thing I can say about rap is that someone must have removed the "c" from the beginning of the word. And if anyone is offended by my words, forgive me, I'm old. A.K.

 

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

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