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The more the writers have to rely on their own stories instead of Martin's writing, the worse this show gets. This season is the worst one yet, by far.
 
The more the writers have to rely on their own stories instead of Martin's writing, the worse this show gets. This season is the worst one yet, by far.

I agree. I was glad to see something finally happen, though. Mr Animal says if they don't start showing more titties, he's going to quit watching.
 
I enjoyed both of the battles. Dany's dragons were awesome. The scene with Jon struggling and suffocating in that mound of men was well shot, and executed perfectly. I love that both Sansa and Jon shared in the death of Ramsey Bolton; Sansa has grown, and I appreciate her ongoing character development.

I didn't like that Rickon died, and no one thought to have Melisandre resurrect him. He's not a main character on the show, but he's supposed to mean something to both Sansa and Jon.
 
I enjoyed both of the battles. Dany's dragons were awesome. The scene with Jon struggling and suffocating in that mound of men was well shot, and executed perfectly. I love that both Sansa and Jon shared in the death of Ramsey Bolton; Sansa has grown, and I appreciate her ongoing character development.

I didn't like that Rickon died, and no one thought to have Melisandre resurrect him. He's not a main character on the show, but he's supposed to mean something to both Sansa and Jon.

When Jon was beating Ramsey, I though he was going to step back and let Sansa chop his head off. Remember how Ed taught them (the boys anyway) to do their own killing. I think that was in the first episode.
 
When Jon was beating Ramsey, I though he was going to step back and let Sansa chop his head off. Remember how Ed taught them (the boys anyway) to do their own killing. I think that was in the first episode.

I thought so, too, Suzanimal: it seemed like that would happen when Jon stepped back and they cut to Sansa. This was just as good, though: feeding Ramsey to his own victims of cruelty. Poetic justice.
 
Jon snow is about the worst commander. Got a large number of his men killed cause of his feelings. He should be court marshalled.
 
I thought so, too, Suzanimal: it seemed like that would happen when Jon stepped back and they cut to Sansa. This was just as good, though: feeding Ramsey to his own victims of cruelty. Poetic justice.
Yes, like he fed his sister and her baby to his hounds....
 
Jon snow is about the worst commander. Got a large number of his men killed cause of his feelings. He should be court marshalled.
Agreed, he sure blew Sansa's advice off, lol She warned him, that the boy was dead, regardless, and not to do what Ramsay wanted...
 
Agreed, he sure blew Sansa's advice off, lol She warned him, that the boy was dead, regardless, and not to do what Ramsay wanted...

And for some reason she never mentioned to anyone that she had requested and expected a back-up force? Jon never thought of it?

The writing is getting worse with these plot holes.
 
The more the writers have to rely on their own stories instead of Martin's writing, the worse this show gets. This season is the worst one yet, by far.

agreed.. the books have incredible depth but the show is meh on a lot of fronts.. last nights episode was good and all but the story in the books will be much different I think and much better even if some of the really good characters die which I assume will be some of the major differences in the books, that is if he ever finishes them.
 
agreed.. the books have incredible depth but the show is meh on a lot of fronts.. last nights episode was good and all but the story in the books will be much different I think and much better even if some of the really good characters die which I assume will be some of the major differences in the books, that is if he ever finishes them.

I enjoyed Hardhome more than this. I think I just cared a bit more about the people involved, in that they were making a decision to stay home, then realized what a terrible decision it was and tried to storm away. It made them more human. This? Why run after Jon? TWICE dammit! Wun Wun would still have been able to rip the gate down later. Could the dude sit down and smoke a pipe first? Could you maybe interact with the troops that just saved you to see if maybe they have larger siege engines or other goodies trundling your way?

Oh and Rickon. Good Lord. You were the Stark that the books and the series never had any idea what to do with, but you could have shown them all by... not running in a straight, predictable line. Hell, you had to pass giant X flayed-men fires. Can't put one of those between you and Ramsay until Jon picks you up? Can't run backwards and use the increasing distance to drop to the ground or dodge aside while the arrow heads your way? I mean the dude was shooting at minus miles per hour. Use it to your advantage! Did you warg into your undersized direwolf and leave your brain in there when it got beheaded?

Eh better for Sansa. At least now that little twit is out of the way, because he would have been head of Winterfell if he were still around, and that seems only marginally better than King Tommen the Pious.
 
And for some reason she never mentioned to anyone that she had requested and expected a back-up force? Jon never thought of it?

The writing is getting worse with these plot holes.

I think she will spell it out more clearly in their next scene together, but the reason she kept it a secret is (aside from not fully trusting Little Finger to follow through) the only way she knew how to beat Ramsay is to be unpredictable. She does not trust Jon to make a surprise move without telegraphing it, and she was proven right because he did everything Ramsay wanted him to do.

The last scene kinda touched on this dynamic as well. Even at the end he was playing that game, but Ramsay really didn't start to freak out until he realized something was going to happen that he didn't expect.
 
I enjoyed Hardhome more than this. I think I just cared a bit more about the people involved, in that they were making a decision to stay home, then realized what a terrible decision it was and tried to storm away. It made them more human. This? Why run after Jon? TWICE dammit! Wun Wun would still have been able to rip the gate down later. Could the dude sit down and smoke a pipe first? Could you maybe interact with the troops that just saved you to see if maybe they have larger siege engines or other goodies trundling your way?

Oh and Rickon. Good Lord. You were the Stark that the books and the series never had any idea what to do with, but you could have shown them all by... not running in a straight, predictable line. Hell, you had to pass giant X flayed-men fires. Can't put one of those between you and Ramsay until Jon picks you up? Can't run backwards and use the increasing distance to drop to the ground or dodge aside while the arrow heads your way? I mean the dude was shooting at minus miles per hour. Use it to your advantage! Did you warg into your undersized direwolf and leave your brain in there when it got beheaded?

Eh better for Sansa. At least now that little twit is out of the way, because he would have been head of Winterfell if he were still around, and that seems only marginally better than King Tommen the Pious.

They clearly have not seen Apocalypto.
 
They clearly have not seen Apocalypto.

Yeah, this is what the Indians were really like down South in Mehicho, back in the day before white men came....they weren't like the Disney Pocahontas version so mny libprogs proclaim...savages were savages....
 
And for some reason she never mentioned to anyone that she had requested and expected a back-up force? Jon never thought of it?

The writing is getting worse with these plot holes.

Not only a backup force, but a huge contingent of cavalry from the one "kingdom" not diminished by war. Also, why didn't they put armor on the giant? I mean, just sheet him in armor. Make the mountain look like a molehill. And give him a weapon, for lord of lights sakes, even if you have to melt down 10 other men's weapons to do it. I don't always like camera shaking melees, but when I do I prefer William Wallace.

I am now rooting EXCLUSIVELY for Jorah Marmot. At least he knows how to love!
 
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